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@kyrieee: I meant Alex's impression.
Somehow they always aim for the Australian accent, and then veer straight into South African. I suppose its still slightly better than Dan's attempts at an English accent in Die another Friday.
I'd forgotten how much i actually like Miranda. I mean, not like like her, she's a bit evil. But as a foil for lawful good Shep Shep adjusting to working for Cerberus, she's delightfully stand-offish and strong willed. Their scenes are great.
@nietzschecookie:The very idea that in my mind had to make an analogy about working at a company a utopia has me sick.
I think we agree 100% on that. I'll leave it at that.
@sharkman: I'll break it down. What do you mean by "their"? Fries and Price are writers. They write stories under deadlines for a salary. That's their job. They don't sell things. Arenanet makes games, a publisher publishes it, selling to wholesalers and distributors who in turn sell it to retailers who in turn sell it to 'their' customer, you. 'Their' in this case referring to the retail outlet. By the transitive flow of money, you could colloquially say "I'm a customer of Arenanet's games". But "I'm a customer of Arenanet's janitorial staff" would be false. Again, the janitors don't sell things. Dystopian corporate "we're all in this together" rhetoric, does't actually make the proficient wage workers of a company answerable to civil disputes over goods and services. So any and all legal rights or commercial expectations associated with the word customer only apply to those in charge of the company, or those specifically employed with the job of representing the company in correspondence with it's customers. Again, the two writers in this situation don't fit that bill. Not even close.
@sharkman: It can be tough to get up to speed on this story, given the speed at which news outlets are publishing new stories. They were not contractors, they were full time employees. And its already been established in every publication that no discussion whatsoever was given at the company at any point in history about limits on personal social media accounts. If this had happened as part of a reddit AMA, I could understand your perspective. But tracking an MMO writer down on twitter, on a public holiday no less, is so far outside the bounds of a workplace situation that unless they are explicitly financially compensated for their use of social media outside of work hours, using customer is a sadistic abuse of the english language.
Thanks Beastcrew. Y'all are the very best.
@mems1224:I appreciate you clarifying your view.
I had to look up Fries tweet because no one has mentioned the content yet:
“Here’s a bit of insight that I legitimately hope he reflects on: she never asked for his feedback,” he says. “These are our private social media accounts — imagine you’re an astronomer and you start sharing some things you’ve learned in the last few months since you began a research project observing Saturn, only to have observation techniques explained to you by a layman ... Jessica is great at her job and deserves to be treated with respect.”
Personally, seems a-okay to me.
Its about as innocuous as a tweet can be, if you ask me.
@mems1224: I'll say this again, because it unfortunately keeps getting lost in all this, what about Fries?
@mems1224: I see many posts in this thread that share a similar story to the effect of 'I've had a job, and this is the way things are or the way the world is'. Just because the world is one way, does not mean it ought be that way. Activism requires effort and imagination and time and energy that not everybody has, but chiming in to remind people that see a problem with the world that such a problem is ubiquitous will never sway me in the slightest from caring.
@sirpsychosexy: Suppose you live in a country where you work for Google and android has 100% of the smart phone market. Should you be unable to say anything mean to anyone you've ever met or ever will meet on social media, less you be fired? The word customer is not relevant in this context. Even if the latest android update enters into a heated discussion. Use fan, or community or discuss the nuance of social media engagement. Boiling this down to how a customer was treated loses sight of the fact that these were two human beings in a heated exchange first, and workers who have larger contexts and responsibilities second.
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