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@efesell: Yep. Agree to disagree indeed. Fortunately we don't need to, say, somehow find an agreement to align on a list of the best games of the year or anything.

Which is why I'm expecting a bloodbath for the ages. Kinda hoping I'm wrong :)

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@efesell: Yeah, but it's still a repetitive chore to play saddled with a bad map and a superfluous levelling system. What I'm saying is that Nier was a tedious 2010 game and Automata is a tedious 2017 game, both with intriguing-if-convoluted stories. Besides the more overt sci-fi motif and the more anime art design my personal path through both games was basically identical (i.e. play 20 hours of them, lose patience, go watch plot videos on the Internet to know how it ends).

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@efesell said:
@assirra said:
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Boy, this is gonna get rough about Automata, isn't it?

I'm a bit baffled about this game making such a splash and an impact to a few of the crew. It really isn't that different from the first Nier, either in story or in gameplay. I guess the art design is weirder than the western version of Nier? Maybe robot maids really make a different to the Giant Bomb guys? I mean, the original Nier is a pretty good game, and Automata is... fine too, I guess. But this is already getting mean (hang in there, Abby), and I'm not sure I'm looking forward to enduring another fifteen hours of Brad going to war.

Have you considered that maybe none of the staff played the original Nier? All Yoko Taro's games before now were basically low budget cult classics with a very low minority actually playing them. Hell it wasn't before the internet and let's plays that Nier was getting known at all. Also, the gameplay of the original Nier leaves a lot to be desired.

Before Internet and Lets plays is an odd way to talk about a game that came out in 2010 but the point stands, I think. I don't think anyone on staff put any time into the original beyond whoever did the quick look way back.

So yeah this is a lot of peoples first full dive into Yoko Taros style but I also don't wanna take away from Automata by saying that because I still think it is probably his best actual attempt at storytelling. Most of Drakengard is dumb as hell and the great parts of original Nier are blocked by a lot more tedium.

I mean... fair enough, but they did Quick Look it and I'm pretty sure Brad has referenced the connections between Automata and earlier Yoko Taro games at least a few times, so he must have done some research at least.

About the other points... I don't know, I bounced off of Automata about as far in as I did the original Nier (ended up watching the rest on YouTube both times). I don't find the gameplay that much more appealing in Automata. By 2017 standards, Automata plays about a rough as Nier did in 2010.

Of course, that's a matter of opinion, but the reverence for Automata if you've at least glimpsed the nonsense around Yoko Taro games is a bit... sudden? I guess? I can't imagine anybody being so militant for Automata as some of the guys are this year who wouldn't at least have enjoyed Nier at the time.

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This thread looks like the nerdiest CIA secret document ever.

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@iamjohn: All of them apparently forgetting that Vinny and Abby are both video producers, and that one person working in a studio like Jason does is like, incredibly difficult and there were stream issues even when Drew was here?

What the fuck, man.

Yeah, I mean, sure things worked better when they had two producers around. Duh. But I hope people understand that especially when Jason is also on camera he's flying an airplane while sitting on top of the wing. Here's to Jason continuing to be cool (and getting some reinforcements so he can be cool on camera without having to be mixing audio on a damn iPad at the same time).

Also, people who were around for early GB are probably a lot more chill about this stuff. Even flying-by-the-seat-of-their-pants current GB gets this stuff right a lot more often than they used to.

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Just a note to call out that I'm having a hard time using the new video player UI on my Surface tablet. The new maximize button is a mouse-hover deployable menu, which should be forbidden by law now that touchscreens are a thing because it's literally impossible to select any of the options using touch inputs. All of the other options are also really hard to use, since the toolbar doesn't stay up, so I just have to guess where the buttons are going to be when I tap them.

Hope you guys can tweak this to use taps instead of hovers so I don't have to go run for a mouse every time I want to watch a Premium show or go to YouTube for the rest.

I'm running Win 10 on a Surface tablet and I've mostly been using MS Edge for this, but the problem seems to be common to all browsers.

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Actually, more likely to be Willow, from your description. I feel like you'd remember that, though.

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Knights of the Round?

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That was on SNES, though.

http://www.giantbomb.com/knights-of-the-round/3030-15143/

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I mean, "leave town" is very specific wording. Not "leave GB" or "quit their job" or "get fired", which would have made sense, given that the bit was about Jason feeling a "hostile work environment" by Dan teasing him. I find the GBeast guess the most plausible, since that office has a big gap to fill that nobody has talked about interviewing for (which they did before Patrick joined and after he left).

Still. Big changes. I wonder if that means the West office will eventually staff up.

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Dude, your complains are totally legitimate. I agree with some, disagree with others, but you're being nice and polite about it, so kudos on doing that. Also to most of the community, given that this thread is mostly respecting you for your choice and being civil. Both of those things are hard as hell to find online.

Honestly, yeah, I do mind when they skip an obvious tutorial or setup step and then you're left with a segment or video that is entirely irrelevant because the game isn't played like that (like the UPF segment for Push Me, Pull You). It can be part of the fun (Kerbal!) but there's a difference between going into something cold to get the full experience and being unprepared, I agree.

Can't fault the volume of content, though. I can't consume everything. And I have my own pet peeves, like my absolute dislike of Wrestling, which has crept into the whole thing in a way that gets really annoying, especially around PAX.

Still, they got my money, I pay for things I like a lot less than current GB. I just hope that when the community is nice and articulate about what they do or don't like that helps steer the site to a place where most if not all the subscribers are happy with it.