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You could have just typed "both sides are bad" instead of typing this long, weak equivocation termination of employment with being rude online.

This isn't a team sport. There are more than 2 sides.

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@tr0n:

Most people slip up at some point, and the likelihood and severity of that slip up tends to scale with the amount of pressure a person is under. I don't think you can compare creating business software to being a female game dev in a lead position and that's not to take away from the stress of your job but to emphasize hers. I'm pretty sure you've had clients who barely understand what they want, let alone how stuff works, telling you you're shit at your job. It sucks but you grin through your teeth, get through it and move along. Everyone can deal with a few assholes now and then, that's life.

But what if it never stopped? In game dev, especially games-as-service dev, you don't have a handful of clients, you don't even have hundreds, you have thousands, millions even. And how many of those are assholes? If you're a woman in this industry that percentage is not low. So how many voices telling you you're terrible at your job can you take before it's too much? And that's not even opening up the whole other massive topic of sexism both in games and life in general. It adds up and everyone has a breaking point, everyone.

So let me change my earlier question, have you ever been a dick to anyone at any point during your life? If you're answer to that is no then you're a saint and I get why this doesn't make sense to you but 99% of humans aren't. Because she didn't write this on an arenanet account, or in a place especially designated for guildwars stuff, this was her free time.

And now we're getting into the messy stuff. I do stand by what I said earlier, you can't write something publicly and expect nobody to challenge you on it but you also have to remember that for the longest time there was a way clearer line between the professional and the personal. Yes, if you were a dick to someone in your time off, chances are they and their friends/family are not coming to visit your business but that was it. Social media has magnified this to such an unreasonable degree that your only two options are to never slip up at all or to stay off social media altogether. Except that second one isn't really an option anymore and is becoming less of one every day. If you are in a lead position in game dev (or any company, increasingly) you are expected to have a social media presence.

Social media is blurring a growing number of lines, the difference between who you are and what your work is is becoming smaller and smaller and that's starting to look scarier and scarier.

This isn't even really about Jessica Price anymore, she's on holiday and if she stays off of twitter long enough the death and rape threats will stop eventually. The fact that I'm not joking about that is both sad and another indicator of just how much pressure these people ( again, women disproportionately so) are under compared to a job in a lot of other industries.

But what won't stop is this general thing happening again and again. Especially now that those people who scream the very loudest know it's having an effect, which is why firing her was just a straight up mistake, regardless of if she deserved it or not. Even if this was part of a general streak of misconduct, wait for this to die down and release her quietly. The internet mob is a scary, scary fucking thing and nobody should ever have to face it alone. If you expect your employees to confront that even in the hours they aren't working, show them you have their back because if you don't, who does?

So did Jessica Price fuck up? Yes. Did she deserve to be fired? Maybe. Did she deserve to be thrown to the wolves who want nothing more then to burn her life to the ground for being mean on the internet? Fuck no.

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@tr0n: I'm not saying "asshat" was an enlightened word choice but if you're telling me that your boss would fire you instantly if you're ever rude to a customer you're either working in some very high-end customer service, some very low-end customer service or your boss is a dick. Like are you telling me you have never EVER in your entire life been less then 100% courteous no matter who the customer is or what's going on in your personal life? Because I think that's a tough sell.

edit: Also let's not forget that community outreach is not her job. But this segues into a larger conversation about modern social media that this is not the right forum for and I'm not sure I'm equipped to handle tbh.

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Since everyone and their cat is throwing their 2 cents into this here are mine:

- If you put something on twitter on a public account with lots of followers there is going to be a response. You can't have it both ways by leveraging your following for outreach and then be upset if that outreach isn't what you wanted it to be.

- Jessica Price was kinda of a dick about this but everyone's a dick occasionally. You can't ever really know the full context of a person but I don't think it's controversial to say that women have it harder then men in the gaming scene, so maybe this was the proverbial drop that spilled the bucket.

- But even if it wasn't or even if she were genuinely a terrible person it wouldn't matter either because arenanet's response to this is just objectively awful. Not only is it completely disproportionate to what was actually said it just opens up a massive, foul smelling can of worms that is certainly going to haunt arenanet, if not the entire games industry.

tldr: She was being rude to somebody who was trying to start a conversation about something they both cared about instead of just ignoring him, in common parlance this is known as a "dick move". The internet responded by being the biggest asshole possible and attempting to torch her life for something 90% of them do every day. Welcome to humanity, everyone sucks.

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Wew, they asked for anime recommendations so I can finally get it out of my system without feeling like a dick about it. Here I go:

Honestly just from listening to these podcasts it seems like Dan and Jeff are mostly into the humor and action/superpower fights part of anime. DBZ is what's called a "shounen", anime for young/teenage boys, which mostly specializes on that stuff.

Most of the common "my first anime" recommendations are probably gonna be echoed across a decent number of these posts but it feels like a lot of those take themselves a bit more seriously than DBZ, I wonder if that's a dealbreaker for them.

Still, they're frequently suggested because they're usually pretty decent or at least popular. I'm just gonna give my personal opinion on a few. Oh, and I watch everything subbed so I have no idea how good the dubs of any of these are.

Let's start off with the "Big 3", these are basically what replaced DBZ for the following generation. If you ever find yourself at a point in your life where you want to talk to random people about anime then you are already lost, so you might as well order the bluray collections of these three because it probably covers the biggest part of mainstream anime knowledge:

Naruto (shounen):

That show which got them ninjas in it and changed how 6th graders run forever. The original Naruto is a surprisingly decent anime about an orphan who just wants people to like him. Ok there's also superpowers and a power ladder to climb and winning impossible fights through friendship and pluck and all the other trappings of this genre. The fight scenes are usually pretty alright both in terms of animation quality, as well as general fight strategy beyond just "press X to power up".

There's also a "second" Naruto anime called Naturo: Shippuden. It's sort of the DBZ to Naruto's Dragonball. While the original still featured some pretty big battles, this is where we get into the whole business of rendering random percentages of the planets surface permanently uninhabitable. You could jump directly to Shippuden like you did with DBZ but I think you'd be a good deal more confused since there is way less of a clean break in Naruto.

Oh did I mention that both combined come in at like 700 episodes? Yeah, even if you guys skip the filler that seems unreasonable.

One Piece (shounen):

Consistently decent.

That isn't meant to sound bad at all. I like One Piece, I still read the manga every week and I don't think I've ever been disappointed by an arc. While I've occasionally been very cross with Naruto, the worst One Piece has ever gotten from me was probably a "Huh, that was alright". Conversely the best wasn't more than a "Ok, that was pretty good" but I don't think it needs to be much more. To me, One Piece is the fast food of anime. I'm hungry but I don't want anything difficult or special, let's just drive down to Monkey D's real quick.

It's about pirates on a planet with strange geography searching for the treasure of the biggest baddest pirate ever, hidden at the end of the strange ocean spanning the planets equator. Of course there's super powers and friendship and you get the idea, shounen is as shounen does. It probably skews a little more to the comedy side than Naruto but it still gets pretty serious at the end of its arcs. Like I said I mostly read the manga, no idea how good the animation is now.

Also it has like 850 episodes already.

Also it's only like 70% done.

Yeah, NEXT.

Bleach(shounen):

I've only ever watched like 40 episodes of this. Seemed ok? Bit edgy? Heard some not so great things through osmosis about where it ended up. I'm only bringing it up because it's one of the "Big 3" but I don't think this ever did anything that the other two didn't? I do know that this is yet another one of those anime with an episode count in the hundreds though.

Maybe some suggestions with a more reasonable watch time would be better.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann(mecha):

God I love this stupid fucking show. Do you like the part in the anime where the guy screams and gets stronger and there's cool fighting? Yes? Would you still be into it if there were giant mechs(read: metal gears)? Great, watch this. It's the biggest spiral of power-ups, the russian nesting doll of crazy transformations. Just let go of your higher brain functions and enjoy the ride.

My Hero Academia (shounen):

The anime community's current shounen sweetheart and rightly so. It just does everything well. Good characters, interesting powers, a clear defined goal for the series to work towards, it even manages to avoid some of the more annoying shounen "tropes". It is still very much a shounen though, sometimes so much so that you might find it a little cheesy if you're not into it. I love it and I'm not sorry.

It's about a world where 80% of the population has some kind of superpower, so naturally society legitimizes superheroes to combat high powered littering and light speed jaywalking. They even have superhero schools. Crazy. So obviously it's about this boy who wants to be the very best and yada yada yada and somehow I've managed to make that sound really bland and uninteresting but it's really quite good. The animation is top shelf too. It's light years beyond DBZ and one fight in particular probably stands out as one of the best fight scenes in all shounen. It's still fairly short with like 50 episodes out right now but that's only because the manga it's based on is still fairly new. Provided it holds on to popularity that show will go on for a loooooong time.

Maybe I'll get to the rest some other time and put that into a blog/forum topic because wow, this has already gotten beyond what anyone can reasonably be expected to read and I should have stopped a while ago. There is still so much left, the anime never stops.

This is what happens when you give me permission to expose my shame to you.

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SWORD FIGHTING RABBITS

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I am ready to Disney.

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@whatshisface: Jeez dude from over here it kinda looks like you just wanna pick a fight. If he enjoys UPF that's fine right? People can have differing opinions.

And why does it matter how much he likes GB? Character attacks are kinda weak my dude. I mean what are you even trying to accomplish here? Get somebody to admit they love GB? I got you covered fam:

I LOVE GIANT BOMB

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This is disasterous.

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Hey girl, you wanna see my level 101 Tower of Sorcery?

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