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@Hailinel said:

@Aetheldod said:

@Hailinel: Well you dont belive it then ... im not forcing you but I choose to beleive so , and makes sense ... just you know I always said that the catalyst was a sort of AI created by the people that made the reapers , and the EC proved that so who is to say that Im wrong about this? ;)

Im not saying I know it all and stuff but the content provides enough info to go with this. But Im sensing that we will be at this al nite so lets agree to disagree , as cliche as that sounds , and dont want to get sour with you :D

I don't want this to drag on, either, but I'll state once more that you're reading things incorrectly. The content does not make any of the allusions that you're suggesting. The end result of the choice is cut and dried. You refuse to use the Crucible, and as a result, the war is lost. Game Over. Better luck next cycle. Also, humanity doesn't exist anymore, therefore Buzz Aldrin can't be around to tell stories of Shepard's exploits to children, so someone else had to be cast. That person is a woman of an unknown alien species from the distant future. Pointing to a silhouette and saying that it is, without a doubt, an Asari is just playing into the same ridiculous headgames that set the internet on fire with Indoctrination Theorists.

Now I'm done.

Saw this a little while ago again and it reminded me of this thread. @Aetheldod , really, watch it again.

" The cycle continues." Fade to white. (Incidentally, director Paul Verhoeven has been quoted as saying fading to white is usually a cinematography technique to indicate either death or awakening from a dream.)

"I hope the information in this capsule is enough to help you before it's too late. Herein lies the recounting of our war with the Reapers."

"Without the information they passed down, we too would be threatened." "What else do we know about the Shepard?"

It's a pair of people that haven't been killed by the reapers, and know everything they know from the archives left by Liara. You're making an assumption that Liara seeded a planet of Asari that the Reapers somehow ignored and also somehow didn't know anything about the war, about the fate of Thessia, anything. And you based that on appears to possibly be 12 pixels of shadowy head tentacles. Far more likely is that it is a new cycle, which is indicated by literally everything else. (For all you know, Liara's hologram might have caused a popular hairstyle for the next cycle.)

Anyway, enough of that. I've had enough of the irony of your refusing to accept the information presented in the Refusal ending. :)

@Red said:

I did the same thing. I think the biggest change before the beam was my squad getting picked up by the Normandy which, while a little bit impractical (I mean, both of them were hurt, but could still run to the beam) makes a lot more sense then them magically materializing onto the Normandy like the last ending.

That's not accurate. It still doesn't make sense, but at least it's no longer a massive continuity error.

@JeanLuc said:

The scene of Shepard waking up on the citadel after jumping in the beam is different. Not sure why they changed it. I don't remember anyone having a problem with it.

They changed that to get away from Indoctrination theory. Instead of letting people wonder how long Shepard had been on the Citadel unconscious, or question if he got there before or after Anderson, he gets flung in from the beam instead. It's less disjointed. Also, in the old ending, Anderson says he goes in after you, but he gets to the control panel well before you, and there's only one hallway. That's still a little confusing, to be honest, because he says he showed up in a different location. Oh well.

I'm done with Mass Effect. Might check back in with the next entry, but paid DLC for this game has zero appeal.

@Animasta said:

I swear someone posted this somewhere else...

god man, get over it. Mass Effect 3 had a really bad ending, sure, but it's been 3 months! jesus.

...You mean yesterday. This became re-relevant yesterday.

@Ravenlight said:

Jesus fuck is that an intimidating length of text. I struggle to understand what makes the Bioware fanbase so completely, mindfuckingly, blindly enraged.

It's like, instead of just video games, your hobby is being angry about video games. Go outside, mang. There's plenty of shit to get mad at out there, too.

Being intimidated by a wall of text kind of explains why you struggle to understand why people got upset. If you actually read what the OP wrote, it's all pretty clear and well said.

As concisely as possible: If you care at all about the series on more than a superficial "heads exploding yay pretty" level, you'll care about the ending.

Several good points are brought up. Well said, @Goggen240 . Just curious though, which ally did you get from letting the council die? I can't seem to google it.

I swapped the photo for you.

It looks like since the launch of the 3DS, it seems like every single release has been added to the Stereoscopic 3D page. That seems a little crazy to me since it's a fundamental feature for the platform those games are releasing on and it makes it increasingly difficult to get any useful information at all from the page when looking to buy a compatible title that supports the functionality on a 3DTV. They should be put into their own category, like "Glasses Free 3D," but that would pretty much just be a list of all 3DS titles that mirrors the full platform listing.

Stereoscopic 3D currently also includes all types of 3D, including Anagylph 3D,which would be all of the games that support color-separated glasses (as opposed to shutter or polarized glasses). Anaglyph would include Fez, which uses the red/blue glasses, and games like Arkham Asylum which come bundled with green/purple glasses. These are honestly two very different things and should be separate from each other as well since the opposing color sets aren't compatible with each other when it comes to the 3D effect.

Bit of a tangent, but the primary point of this request is permission to excise the 3DS titles from the list due to redundancy and obfuscation of more relevant entries that have discrete, optional support for 3D. Secondary request to be able to create separate Red/Blue and Green/Purple concepts.

Thoughts?

@NekuCTR said:

@onan said:

@NekuCTR said:

The extended cut is complete garbage because they straight up did what they said they wouldn't. They changed the fucking ending. No matter how you slice it most of the new scenes could not have happen with the old outcomes. A canonical Mass Effect 3 ending now simply does not exist for anyone. They caved into the fans, and now Bioware just look like hapless morons.

What are you talking about? The endings are exactly the same with additional exposition, pretty much what they said it would be. The main differences: Shepard asks questions this time instead of nodding and accepting anything Catalyst tells him/her, and there's some connective tissue to all of the cutscenes that play out afterward. Also, they show what's happening on other planets, and your crew in a slideshow. Very little has changed.

And the new extended endings are canonical. I don't know if you get how "canon" works, but trust me on this one, it's canonical.

In none of the endings do the mass effect relays blow up. There is never any hint at negative affects, and in synthesis everyone in the galaxy turns out to be fine with having their DNA changed by a single person. If they didn't change the scenarios they made them much more pandering.

In the new destruction ending specifically the soldiers on earth were not killed. It made since because soldiers have enhancment implants, and biotics have chips in their brains. Destroying technology would rip them apart. There were pros, and cons to every decision like there would be in real life if you set a weapon to affect every star in the galaxy. Instead we get a bunch of scenarios where everything is happy, and nothing will ever go wrong again. Also there is no reference that they lost technology, and they would just rebuild, no prob.

Not sure if you're aware, but there are different "Destroy" endings based on your galactic readiness rating. I forget the numbers, but I think over 5,000 makes everyone survive, and under 3,000 (I'm making numbers up) means life gets wiped out on Earth. The updated endings change the numbers (specifically I think to make it so if you don't play multiplayer, you can still get the best ending), so your shitty ending where people died might now be high enough to get one where everyone is happy. and the Reapers fall over dead. Those endings aren't new.

They screwed up and probably intended originally for the relays to just blow up a little, but they cut away from them originally and people just assumed they blew up like the relay from The Arrival. They cleared that up. Their intention must have always been to just damage them a little, because they wouldn't leave that up to chance while planning for the next game set in that universe.

The danger of biotic amps, as I understand it, is removal and insertion. If it just ceases to work, then a biotic just wouldn't have power... at least not much more than being able to mentally pick up a coin off a table or something. Or maybe all enhanced biotics die as a result, who knows.

They didn't show anything new, they just spelled out some stuff they left to speculation before. The green space magic is still silly, though.

@Jimbo said:

Out of curiosity, did they address/remove any of the stuff that made the indoctrination theory valid originally?

Yeah, they killed it right after the bit with Marauder Shields. First they're like, "no one survived!" and then it cuts to Hackett getting a report that says "no wait, spoke too soon, someone totally got to the beam."

@Aetheldod said:

@onan: Well the last cycle (prothean one) did have humans turian asaris etc , so in the fiction they could still be there , also a Prothean survived , and since Liara had access to that tech from Javick who is to say they didnt try something similar to the protheans? Also were the recording is looks like a bunker which hasnt been destroyed when the record plays , so again nothing that outright refutes what im saying. So if you want to still be all doom and gloom be my guests duder but I havent stepped out of the ideas established in the Mass Effect universe.

So does this mythical Asari held in suspended animation have a name in this yarn you're spinning? It certainly doesn't sound or look anything like Liara. She's a bit on the chunky side. In any case, nice to know that 50,000 years later, she got a nice gig babysitting.

No one's being doom and gloom. They seem pretty happy in that new cycle, so good for them.

@NekuCTR said:

The extended cut is complete garbage because they straight up did what they said they wouldn't. They changed the fucking ending. No matter how you slice it most of the new scenes could not have happen with the old outcomes. A canonical Mass Effect 3 ending now simply does not exist for anyone. They caved into the fans, and now Bioware just look like hapless morons.

What are you talking about? The endings are exactly the same with additional exposition, pretty much what they said it would be. The main differences: Shepard asks questions this time instead of nodding and accepting anything Catalyst tells him/her, and there's some connective tissue to all of the cutscenes that play out afterward. Also, they show what's happening on other planets, and your crew in a slideshow. Very little has changed.

And the new extended endings are canonical. I don't know if you get how "canon" works, but trust me on this one, it's canonical.

@Hailinel said:

@Aetheldod said:

@Hailinel: Not forcibly .... the could have easily said last cycle but they never did so it leaves quite open to the interpretation Im giving

Uh, no it doesn't. It's quite clear that the battle with the Reapers was lost. The people of the next cycle found Liara's records of the war and used that knowledge to avoid their own destruction. You're reading into things like you're hunting for the next Indoctrination Theory and presenting evidence that does not prove your point in any way.

Agreed, that stargazer bit happens after Liara's beacon is activated, presumably 40,000-50,000 years into the next cycle. Also, they use different people for it, and the content is completely different. Same planet, new cycle. It's very cut and dry.

Edit: After committing all of their resources into the final push against the Reapers and the fall of Thessia, what makes you think this cycle would be able to pull a win out and come back from that? With what?