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@simkas: Would you want a robot responding to your emergency call? I would want humans in any roles that they currently fill, and would only want robots in new positions unique to their traits. People already lie about police shootings, how do you think those people would respond to robot police?

First responders need to use a massive amount of human judgement. Robots would only be good to do things no human could even attempt.

Let’s be honest, robots will be like most tech: first the military, than the porn industry. Then it filters out into everyday life. Or how about just no androids? I’d be most happy with that.

@roy42: ugh. It’s a robot. That really doesn’t seem like the connection being made despite other references to slavery as it happened in America.

If that is the intention of the game, boy that is dumb on so many levels. Cops in America rarely if ever treat any race of people as inhuman to that extent.

A machine has no need for due process. If there were any chance for that robot to be a threat, it would be better to disable it than risk anything else, because it’s a machine. If anything it just seemed like dumb police work to potentially destroy an android who probably records events unless it seemed to actually pose a threat.

If it was intented to be read that way, that’s a really misguided message coming from I believe a foreign studio with a lot of confusing elements in the allegory, because again, it’s a machine and not a human. You might argue that these machines are potentially close enough to human to warrant being treated as if they were human but it seems like it’s not how society understands them at that point.

If you want to make a game about race issues, make it about race issues. I cannot think of a worse allegory for any perspective on such issues than representing them with androids. Representing the oppressed with inhuman machines is just... why? It makes it HARDER for people to process, when the method and genre is supposed make it easier.

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This is just cruel.

Also why does be sound so weird?

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People who carry without a holster have both bigger and (hey-o!) Smaller balls than me. Also why is a katrina era cop carrying a goddamn revolver?

What a strange movie.

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@grondoth: my rights to own firearms, serve God, and speak my mind are in varying levels of decay. Yet it's okay for someone to refuse service to someone wearing a dumb red hat. After a business was successfully sued for refusing to take part in a ceremony that was against their beliefs.

The media is overwhelmingly in support of liberal ideals. Even Republican representatives can't deliver on true conservative values. This very site melts down half the time a thread or conversation goes up about owning a gun with people insulting and cursing someone just for owning a damn gun.

I'm happy with my life and have absolute confidence in protecting my way of life, but come on dude. Laws get passed to end gun violence that literally covers like half a percent of actual violence. Police are gaining unprecedented power to confiscate private property without following previous conventions that exist at best in a constitutional grey area. Banks are refusing to do business with companies in the firearm industry. Protests take over cities any time a non-white gunman gets shot by police.

Speaking out against this dumb crap isn't playing the victim it's standing up for what we believe is right.

If you go to a free speech rally because the government outlawed whispering, are you now just playing the part of the persecuted?

I used to live and work in Seattle. The number of times someone would say shit like "I hope you didn't vote for that idiot -blank-" or "I think all those gun owners should be -blanked-" was a huge part of why I got the hell away from there.

Never going to stop supporting liberty and reason in the country I love.

On this site, and in real life I've had people say some genuinely shitty things just for expressing conservative values. I've heard those values degraded without prompt.

People are assholes and this country has a real problem with liberty, and it comes primarily from the left side of the aisle, which unfortunately also includes half or more of the GOP.

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@eazeapeazea: as someone who's been on tinder and who has occasionally texted younger coworkers, it seems to be either a cause or a symptom dog.

How does an appreciation for beautiful language and lamenting eggplant inuendos make someone bad these days? Damn, I get not agreeing with him. But he's an idiot because he likes to read and write actual english? Appreciation of prose and poetry makes him an idiot? That seems harsh.

When someone substitutes words for a single tap of some dumb face, it kinda bums me out too. Guess I'm just a dumb idiot who grew up writing poetry and reading Tolkien and Tolstoy before the 6th grade. Guess I better start using that B emoji for... whatever reason that was a thing.

Maybe it's just because you don't get his shtick and don't get that a lot of the stuff people use to show how dumb he is is intentionally playing into those people's desire to see him be "an idiot" but that seems harsh for such a harmless opinion.

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@elite49: it all depends on your views. He checks pretty much all the boxes for "people liberals will be offended by." White, Christian, works very hard to further education alternatives to college, supports the second ammendment, believes it's okay to be the stereotype of a manly man. The worst he's done is make fun of a pretentious "real men are -insert Huff Post stuff here-" article.

Also everyone forgets that he's kind of a mischievous type and takes some of his shit way too literally and they fail to pick up on the fact that sometimes he plays into their nonsense.

People disagree with him, whatever, but he's a good guy who does a ton of great charity work and lives life no more comfortably than the Bernies of the world. Definitely nothing worth the reaction made by the staff.

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@fatalbanana: the reaction from the entire staff was clear. It wasn't "that guy said something dumb!"

The underlying message was pretty clear. It's not like his likeness was tossed in the trash or anything.

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@dr_mel: There are a lot of people who stand to gain basically nothing from doubting or denying global warming. Also most who fit in that camp just don't think it's the end of the world like the UN seems to think it is.

I don't think Rowe's livelihood is tied up in fossil fuels or anything like that, and he isn't exactly living some crazy lavish lifestyle either.

I don't think any of the staff members thought it through enough for that to even occur to them before they hopped on the bandwagon. I could be wrong about that though.

Speaking of financial motivation: a scientist who tells you scary shit is going to find quite a bit of work if people start believing them. Not saying that most or even any climate change types are like that, but they certainly could be and there are examples of it throughout history.

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@dpep56: He's a conservative. My guess is the staff gets most of their political reactions from their curated San Fran Twitter-sphere. And I doubt many people in that crowd are fans of white Christian gun owners who believe in hard work and grit and still think there is value in being a man's man.

I am so glad I got out of the liberal horde before it got as bad as it has, and managed to keep from slipping too far into the conservative horde in the transition. I just assume anyone who behaves that way does so because of conditioning. When all you see are people posting hate filled shit against Christian beliefs, fake racism, police "brutality" etc it probably rubs off pretty heavily.

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@garwalk: half of the stuff I see big global warming believers spout is just as unscientific. Like the thought that everyone thinks global warming is as/will be as bad as some of the more severe "models" of it's potential impacts. Actually, that is NOT a consensus and the only thing scientists seem to agree upon is that the earth is warming, and humanity has some impact on that.

So do cows. And most organisms on this planet. And the passage of time.

I'm not going to get into the scientific side of the debate because there are studies out there that will support anything. A few of em speak to consensus in a very misleading and dishonest way, for example. My point is mostly that the guy hasn't really done anything all that shitty and yet here we have the staff acting like he's a bad guy, an unsavory type who shouldn't even be spoken of. I get it when the staff make jokes loosely alluding to folks like Trump, there's at least something there to react to. Dude has said some gnarly stuff. Rowe is at worst some guy who believes in some nutty conspiracy, but doesn't really have some evil ambition behind it.

Doubting popular science, even if it legitimately is that, doesn't make someone an ass or a bad person or deserving of the kind of knee jerk response made by the staff. All too often the staff hears one person say "I hear x is unsavory" and immedietely even sometimes clearly ignorant of the context for that statement their reaction is "oh well I don't like that!" It comes off as people who are more interested in appearing progressive and liberal than they are in acknowledging the truth.

There was similar stuff when the beastcast had a lengthy discussion around various allegations in the gaming industry/community. They seemed to prefer to react to the social reaction to nasty behavior rather than the facts at hand.

You spoke about doing your own research and too often these guys make comments that clearly show they have no interest in speaking after gaining context and assembling facts.

Like every goddamn time guns or cops are mentioned as being problematic topics.

It's just frustrating because I see so many people in general these days speaking from a place of ignorance. Their opinion on cops comes from heavily edited .mic videos that fail to show or mention or communicate in any way the context revealing details widely available but never circulates. Their opinion on guns comes from a place of ignorance and emotion. Their opinion on race comes from Starbucks closing down for a day to discuss race relations because two guys were trespassed in a textbook, everyday manner.

Oh, and skeptics aren't the only ones who need to do their research. Believers do too. If you put the burden of proof only on those who oppose something, you get very lopsided discourse. What studies have you performed? Do you expect everyone with an opinion to form it based on independent research?

Mike Rowe isn't a scientist and very little of what he puts out into the worls has anything to do with global warming. Him expressing his opinion isn't immoral. He's not saying he thinks rape is okay, he's saying he doesn't believe the yarn being spun by media and society regarding the changing climate of the world. Even if he's dead wrong on the issue, it doesn't define him nor does it take away the very substantial amount of good he does and says.

I don't care nearly so much if he is right or if he is wrong. I care about the mentality the staff is increasingly fond of when such topics come up. I really don't want this place to turn into Polygon or to go the way of the McElroys.