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Explain "gay pride."

For those of you who don't know which I'd imagine is most of you, I'm gay. I am shockingly, mind-blowingly, unbelievably gay. I have naked man dick on my mind every single waking hour. However, because I don't go around lisping and lilting and generally acting like a limp-wristed idiot, people have no idea. I don't actively hide the fact that I'm gay, but I don't know how to breach the whole "Oh, you're part of the half of the population I think about when I masturbate" thing when it comes up.  I don't understand the girls who style their hair and their voices to look like 13-year-old boys and the guys who wear super-tight skinny jeans and talk like their tongue is paralyzed and all the people who go up on parade floats and wave rainbow banners and make out wearing just enough leather to cover their giblets. If you do, then please enlighten me because I have an anthropological interest in people who are in the same subgroup as me but are completely batshit insane.

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For those of you who don't know which I'd imagine is most of you, I'm gay. I am shockingly, mind-blowingly, unbelievably gay. I have naked man dick on my mind every single waking hour. However, because I don't go around lisping and lilting and generally acting like a limp-wristed idiot, people have no idea. I don't actively hide the fact that I'm gay, but I don't know how to breach the whole "Oh, you're part of the half of the population I think about when I masturbate" thing when it comes up.  I don't understand the girls who style their hair and their voices to look like 13-year-old boys and the guys who wear super-tight skinny jeans and talk like their tongue is paralyzed and all the people who go up on parade floats and wave rainbow banners and make out wearing just enough leather to cover their giblets. If you do, then please enlighten me because I have an anthropological interest in people who are in the same subgroup as me but are completely batshit insane.

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Must there be some special explanation?

This may come as a surprise to you, but we straight people are also quite different from each other. Why would all gay people be alike?

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I think it's a psychological event.  When people see and feel themselves as being pushed against by everything around them, oppressed if you will, we have a tendency to burst out and push full force against that which is pushing us.  "Gay pride" is just a lot of people in the gay community's way of doing just that.

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Yes, the uber-gay dudes are weird. I know quite a few gay men (and a couple women), but only one of them is like this. He's a bit of a tool. I don't think gay pride is necessarily something that only applies to them, per se. I mean, you can be proud to be anything, if you want. But obviously you don't.

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The Gay Pride movement evolved as a reaction to the need to repress their homosexuality in their day-to-day lives. Gay men are, often times, a bit more feminine than straight men, and this got exaggerated. 

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There's a difference between gay pride and hard gay. A lot of people are "proud" because its still largely a social taboo, as is evident by the current civil rights violating marriage exception. Just like the Black Panthers had to be extra black to get their point across, you gotta go hardcore. Rainbow panthers.

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@GreggD said:
" Yes, the uber-gay dudes are weird. I know quite a few gya men (and a couple women), but only one of them is like this. He's a bit of a tool. I don't think gay pride is necessarily something that only applies to them, per se. I mean, you can be proud to be anything, if you want. But obviously you don't. "
I know what you mean, this one guy I know is pretty much the stereotypes to end all stereotypes, a massive tool. Naturally the only gay guy I personally know is also a douchebag, figures.
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@PediatricUrology:   
 
Two proud men, being proud,  
Look at me, Pride is in my face,  
I think it is just one big party, where gay people can meet up, and be proud,  
 
 
Good for them.
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@PediatricUrology said:
 I don't understand the girls who style their hair and their voices to look like 13-year-old boys and the guys who wear super-tight skinny jeans and talk like their tongue is paralyzed and all the people who go up on parade floats and wave rainbow banners and make out wearing just enough leather to cover their giblets.   
Congratulations my friend your not a cliché.
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I have straight pride and I express it by not yelling at people about it.

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To me, Gay Pride has always been nothing but ammunition for people made uncomfortable by gays. All that parading around (no pun intended) has probably done more damage than good in terms of the public's views of gays.

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i think we're in the same boat, I’ve not gone to any LGBT meetings at college or anything and I’m not really the parade kind of gay.

 
As for telling people, I try not to be all up in peoples faces with it, just when someone talks about relationships or stuff which is bound to happen just slip it in.

Also I’ve only used the “when you say that’s so gay do you realise what you say?”  line ironically.  
  
i think the population of gays on GB has exploded.    

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Oh, so they're putting on airs not so they can attract a mate, but so they can announce to the whole world that they don't care what they think? The only people who would even care if I started acting gay are my family. My coworkers and classmates would have a "wait, you're gay?" moment and then they'd just stop saying stuff was "so gay" around me and that's it, as far as I can figure. 
 
And yeah, it pretty much makes gay people look like psychopaths. If they really wanted to be accepted they would be less confrontational about it.  I don't mean act like good little prototypical boys and girls, I mean not be jackasses whose main goal is to make people uncomfortable and awkward.

P. S. @ryanwho: I like the "rainbow panthers" analogy. :D 
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I don't really get it myself.  I guess they are just trying to identify with a subculture. 

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@Canberra said:
"i think we're in the same boat, I’ve not gone to any LGBT meetings at college or anything and I’m not really the parade kind of gay."  
Same here, to a degree, although it's been a while since there was one here. Although I do want to go to one of those meetings, but I can never find the time.
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Being camp isn't as obnoxious as being a dick.

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I think the difference between you and "proud" gays is that you're not an asshole. I have no problem with gay people, but I have a problem with overbearingly gay people. Anybody, gay or straight, that has to flaunt his or her sexuality to get attention just annoy me.

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@SumDeus said:
" I think the difference between you and "proud" gays is that you're not an asshole. I have no problem with gay people, but I have a problem with overbearingly gay people. Anybody, gay or straight, that has to flaunt his or her sexuality to get attention just annoy me. "
Asshole is a pretty harsh word for it.  I mean, they aren't trying to offend or annoy anyone.  I'd save that word for the people actively discriminating against them.
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there are normal gay people and annoying gay people. 
 
thanks for being the former.

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I've been a TLC (Think community volunteer counselor) at my state's LGBT celebreation for 5 years running, since I was 15 years old. I wear a rainbow armband, like the other TLC's do, to signify that you can come to me, I am at your disposal. If you're LGBT, or a supporter, or just someone who happens to be there, and happens to want to talk about the going-on's in their life, I'm there for you.
 
I spend those three days talking to transgendered teenagers, struggling through High School and consider suicide. I spend them with closeted adults, married and afraid of hurting their children. I spend them with flamboyant gay men who want all the attention in the world, and lesbians who vehemently oppose those men and everything they stand for. I spend it with LGBT supporters who catch flak from their straight friends. 
 
My point is, anyone who has the power to look all of that adversity in the face, not only surviving but being proud of who they are, is a beautiful creature, and I love them for it. They have Gay Pride, and I'm proud of them.

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@Mmmslash said:
" I've been a TLC (Think community volunteer counselor) at my state's LGBT celebreation for 5 years running, since I was 15 years old. I wear a rainbow armband, like the other TLC's do, to signify that you can come to me, I am at your disposal. If you're LGBT, or a supporter, or just someone who happens to be there, and happens to want to talk about the going-on's in their life, I'm there for you.  I spend those three days talking to transgendered teenagers, struggling through High School and consider suicide. I spend them with closeted adults, married and afraid of hurting their children. I spend them with flamboyant gay men who want all the attention in the world, and lesbians who vehemently oppose those men and everything they stand for. I spend it with LGBT supporters who catch flak from their straight friends.   My point is, anyone who has the power to look all of that adversity in the face, not only surviving but being proud of who they are, is a beautiful creature, and I love them for it. They have Gay Pride, and I'm proud of them. "
I teared up a little reading that.
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If you are a gay, you like rainbows and want to go on a parade.  So I toss them beeds cause I want to have fun too.
 
I honestly dunno, never understood it either.  
 
I would like an Arab Pride but we'd just get shot to death from all the white Americans who think we're too "hostile".

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There has been a lot of discrimination against homosexuals in the past and still today. I'm not gay, so I can't help you understand this, but from what I understand, it's similar to black pride and why they do what they do.

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Get ready for a mind explosion, guys.  Here's the explanation of gay pride:
 
It's pride... 
 
...in being gay.

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@PediatricUrology said:

" For those of you who don't know which I'd imagine is most of you, I'm gay. I am shockingly, mind-blowingly, unbelievably gay. I have naked man dick on my mind every single waking hour. However, because I don't go around lisping and lilting and generally acting like a limp-wristed idiot, people have no idea. I don't actively hide the fact that I'm gay, but I don't know how to breach the whole "Oh, you're part of the half of the population I think about when I masturbate" thing when it comes up.  I don't understand the girls who style their hair and their voices to look like 13-year-old boys and the guys who wear super-tight skinny jeans and talk like their tongue is paralyzed and all the people who go up on parade floats and wave rainbow banners and make out wearing just enough leather to cover their giblets. If you do, then please enlighten me because I have an anthropological interest in people who are in the same subgroup as me but are completely batshit insane. "

I already like you.  You know what I mean.  I'm not a fan of unnecessary attention seekers. 
 
In fact, /follow.
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Well I don't belong to your particular subgroup but I can answer this pretty easily, 
Disregarding a persons age, race, nationality or any other factors some people are just "completely batshit insane."  
You see us straight people have attention whores too, And that's really all that's going on with these people.  They like attention and flaunting their cocklove is their way of getting it.
 
This sums it up pretty nicely 
@DevWil said:

" there are normal gay people and annoying gay people.  thanks for being the former. "
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Thank you for not being Big Gay Al. That guy is creepy! 
 
@jakob187
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" Get ready for a mind explosion, guys.  Here's the explanation of gay pride: It's pride...  ...in being gay. "
I don't understand.  
So, you mean like White Power? 
 
In other news, Rainbow Power would be an amazing name for a band.
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Repressed minorities always feel the need to express themselves.  Before gay pride there were similar type meetings for black people, and in Canada minority groups have had large meetings and celebrations for their culture.  Being the most average of heterosexual males means that I can't really identify with them, but it's not like the gay pride parade comes into my house and steals my stuff.  It happens in a certain location where I don't have to go to, and is shown on a few t.v. channels that I don't have to watch.  Good for them I say.   
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@PediatricUrology said:
" For those of you who don't know which I'd imagine is most of you, I'm gay. I am shockingly, mind-blowingly, unbelievably gay. I have naked man dick on my mind every single waking hour. However, because I don't go around lisping and lilting and generally acting like a limp-wristed idiot, people have no idea. I don't actively hide the fact that I'm gay, but I don't know how to breach the whole "Oh, you're part of the half of the population I think about when I masturbate" thing when it comes up.  I don't understand the girls who style their hair and their voices to look like 13-year-old boys and the guys who wear super-tight skinny jeans and talk like their tongue is paralyzed and all the people who go up on parade floats and wave rainbow banners and make out wearing just enough leather to cover their giblets. If you do, then please enlighten me because I have an anthropological interest in people who are in the same subgroup as me but are completely batshit insane. "
People who are beaten down and forced into a corner often strive to create their own culture. That is a big part of what happens with gays like that. I know exactly how you feel, cause i"m pretty much the same, but pan. Then there is the fact that a lot of gays are that way because they are wired a little(or a lot) differently than the "average" male or female, so they are actually more masculine or feminine then most of their gender is. Which is probably why they are gay.  
It's kind of like wondering why all the black high school students call each other "nigga" every other second. After a while, you take the thing that the other side has used to beat you down with, and you turn it into a culture. If your familiar with the Revolutionary War, you might know a certain song that we adopted from the Red Coats as out own. People do odd things, and they figure out strange and illogical ways to deal with things like prejudice. It's hard to explain. 
My only real question is why the false ones do it. I know gays that are like that by nature, but I also know one or two that shouldn't be, but they do it just for the sake of identifying themselves as gay. Those are the ones that confuse me.
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I never understood the gay pride parade things. I understand that they are proud of being gay and I have no problem with that. However I do think gay people who flaunt their highly sexual nature in front of everyone are just as douchy as straight people who do the same thing. It sucks that some people feel so opressed that they resort to considering suicide, but this hyper-sexualized gay pride parade is not helping anyone. In fact it creates a stereotype that all gay people lead hypersexual carefree lifestyles and do nothing but party and have sex. If I was gay and wanting to come out these are the kinds of stereotypes that I would imagine I would not want placed on me.

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Gay Pride is where a bunch of dudes dress up as fairies and then act like complete and total deviant douchebags, in an effort to make it more difficult to convince people who don't like homosexuals that homosexuals are normal and worthy of respect. 

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@MordeaniisChaos said:
" It's kind of like wondering why all the black high school students call each other "nigga" every other second. After a while, you take the thing that the other side has used to beat you down with, and you turn it into a culture. "
I get what you're saying, but just... don't generalize/stereotype.
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@mazik765:  @Pinworm45: 
 
I think you both have the wrong impression of homosexuality. I get the impression that you guys look at homosexuality, and you see sex. No convention I've ever been to had men bending each other over the cafeteria tables. Were men there, holding hands and kissing? Sure. Were women there, flirting and giggling with each other? Sure. That's not sex, that's what the average person does.
 
Homosexuality is about intimate relations with the same gender, not anonymous gay sex.
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@Mmmslash said:
" @mazik765:  @Pinworm45:   I think you both have the wrong impression of homosexuality. I get the impression that you guys look at homosexuality, and you see sex. No convention I've ever been to had men bending each other over the cafeteria tables. Were men there, holding hands and kissing? Sure. Were women there, flirting and giggling with each other? Sure. That's not sex, that's what the average person does.  Homosexuality is about intimate relations with the same gender, not anonymous gay sex. "
I have that impression perfectly. You either misinterpreted my post or missed my point. Gay people are the ones doing the most harm to gay people.
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@PediatricUrology: 
 
Cool post, actually. I have a good lesbian friend who says that anybody who broadcasts to the world how gay/straight they are are simply telling you that they have nothing interesting to say.
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@Pinworm45:  Gay Pride has nothing to do with "dressing up like a bunch of fairies" or "acting like a bunch of deviant douchebags". Somehow people hear the expression Gay Pride and picture parades with drag queens and rainbow boas and floats with men in short-shorts. That's just not the case.
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@mazik765 said:

" I never understood the gay pride parade things. I understand that they are proud of being gay and I have no problem with that. However I do think gay people who flaunt their highly sexual nature in front of everyone are just as douchy as straight people who do the same thing. It sucks that some people feel so opressed that they resort to considering suicide, but this hyper-sexualized gay pride parade is not helping anyone. In fact it creates a stereotype that all gay people lead hypersexual carefree lifestyles and do nothing but party and have sex. If I was gay and wanting to come out these are the kinds of stereotypes that I would imagine I would not want placed on me. "

I mean this with all sincerity, stereotypes exist for a reason.  I get what you mean though, and I hope everyone gets what I mean too.  There was a time -- especially in the 80s and early 90s -- that many gay men were engaged in so much unprotected sex that it was crazy.  At the time AIDS wasn't called a gay disease for no reason.  It's a different time now.  We have drugs that fight the disease quite well and many gay men (predominantly) who live fuller lives because of those advances.
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@Mmmslash:  I completely  realize and accept this. Being gay is not about sex anymore than being straight is, it's about finding someone to form a relationship with. However the parades include more than 'holding hands and kissing'. If that was all that was happening there would be no issue. But instead you find parades like the one in the picture earlier in this thread, with men painting themselves and dancing around in their underwear. Behaviour like this in public would be unacceptable for a straight person so why would it be acceptable for a gay person? Not to mention my previous point that you are working against the cause of making it easier for other gay people to come out and feeling so pressured by that feeling that they are pushed to depression and suicide.
 
I apologize if I was unclear in my previous post. I have no delusion that being gay is all about sex. I am more than happy to see a gay or lesbian couple hold hands and public and not be ashamed to be with one another, it's great they can do that. However hyper-sexualized parades I feel are both demeaning and counterproductive. 
 
OIf course, I am not gay so all these are ideas that ultimately I cannot personally relate to, but that is my view.
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Why is it that you can be proud to be black, but you can't be proud to be white?

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@Bloviator:  Let's be fair, the 80's was a different time. Schools weren't exposing folks to sex-education the way they do today, there weren't yet ad campaigns petitioning against unprotected sex. They lived in a time when they knew their sex partner couldn't get pregnant, and people were mostly carefree. Similar things happened with the flower-children of the 60's.
 
I don't mean to defend unprotected sex, I just mean we shouldn't look back on them with shame or anything, just learn from our mistakes.
 
@mazik765: I absolutely understand what you mean, I just mean that that kind of thing, like that picture earlier, is not atypical of us. it's the sort of thing that ends up on the news, but only the worst of things end up there. No one talks about the Pakistani man who came to this country and built a business, they talk about how terrorist cells from Pakistan declare Jihad on whatever group is currently pissing them off. 
 
For what it's worth, never in my entire life have I ever seen anything half as lewd and inappropriate as I see in that picture, in the real world.
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I don't get your whole tight pants thing i wear tight pants because they are more comfortable to me, and i am not gay.

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@Mmmslash said:
" @Pinworm45:  Gay Pride has nothing to do with "dressing up like a bunch of fairies" or "acting like a bunch of deviant douchebags". Somehow people hear the expression Gay Pride and picture parades with drag queens and rainbow boas and floats with men in short-shorts. That's just not the case. "
Okay, you obviously don't get my point because you're saying it to me, so let me make it very clear: 
 
Whether you want to admit it or not, there are many gay pride parades, and yes, they are ridiculously over sexualized, with dudes dressed up as drag queens, fairies, rainbows everywhere, wearing practically nothing, singing YMCA. Do these people represent the majority of the gay community? Absolutely not. But there's still a lot of them. And those people make it EXTREMELY hard to talk about how normal gay people are and how they deserve respect and how it isn't just sexual when those people are doing those things. 
 
Consequently they are creating stereotypes of themselves that are just stupid. I don't care if you're gay or straight, if you act like people at a gay pride parade, you're a douchebag. Because of those douchebags, those stereotypes exist, and it makes it more difficult for some people to come out of the closet, even leading to suicide. As far as I'm concerned, Gay Pride Parades are accountable for half of LGBT suicides single handedly. 
 
This display of 'pride' by these select few individuals does the most harm to themselves, and I wish they would stop being retarded.
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@Mmmslash said:
" @Bloviator:  Let's be fair, the 80's was a different time.  "
I totally agree.  I hope my comment didn't seem otherwise.
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@Pinworm45: Actually those stereotypes existed long before the parades ever did. I could go into the whole discussion of how the concepts revolving around masculinity were the actual causes of the stereotypes, but that would take too darn long and you would need other theory before we go on about that. 
 
How many parades have you been to? Not seen, because we've all "seen" the parades, but have you actually been to one? I have only once (And I keep forgetting about it) and I don't remember seeing much of the "many gay pride parades [that are] ridiculously over sexualized" moments. There were sponsors though, a lot of them, but I wasn't there for long. 
 
And in regards to the statement that the gay pride parades increase the rates of suicide. Please provide statistics to those claims.
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They just want to have an identity. Fueling that identity is the notion of wanting to be different.

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@Pinworm45:  My issue I am taking with you is that Pride parades are NOT like that, generally. That kind of thing gets the buzz in the media, and that's why you see it.
 
Have you been to a 4th of July parade? Imagine that, but instead of your local firehouse having a truck drive by, you have the ACLU tossing keychains. Instead of Local Troop 411, you have GLAAD asking for your support in the upcoming poll.
 
Are there Pride parades like the ones everyone pictures? I guess there has to be. Have I ever seen one, in my entire life? Not once.
 
@Godlyawesomeguy: You hit the nail on the head.

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@PediatricUrology said:
" For those of you who don't know which I'd imagine is most of you, I'm gay. I am shockingly, mind-blowingly, unbelievably gay. I have naked man dick on my mind every single waking hour. However, because I don't go around lisping and lilting and generally acting like a limp-wristed idiot, people have no idea. I don't actively hide the fact that I'm gay, but I don't know how to breach the whole "Oh, you're part of the half of the population I think about when I masturbate" thing when it comes up.  I don't understand the girls who style their hair and their voices to look like 13-year-old boys and the guys who wear super-tight skinny jeans and talk like their tongue is paralyzed and all the people who go up on parade floats and wave rainbow banners and make out wearing just enough leather to cover their giblets. If you do, then please enlighten me because I have an anthropological interest in people who are in the same subgroup as me but are completely batshit insane. "
/respect
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I'm a bisexual furry and I don't go around flaunting it. People who do it are just asking for trouble.

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I have to assume that you haven't been to a gay pride parade before.  You have the same narrow view as most here seem to.  There is a hell of a lot more than blokes in thongs and dykes on bikes to them.
 
I've been to a few (though I'm entirely gynosexual) and they're quite diverse.  For every disco drag queen, there are many average looking people just walking around, talking, and having a good time.  There's not much sexuality involved at all.  People are citing rainbows, costumes, dancing, etc. as if they had anything to do with sex.  It's also worth noting that, in recent times, gay pride events are less aimed at making a statement to the heterosexual community.  They're increasingly designed for homosexuals; so they can get together with peers and have fun.  They're not much different than any other festival or parade.
 
Someone brought up 4th of July parades, and they're a great analogy.  You see pictures of all sorts of assholes in gaudy flag pants, covered in pins and buttons, looking as tacky as possible.  The face-painted uber-patriot shit-heels are certainly present, but most people are just out for a nice diversion.  Gay pride events are much the same.  A few obnoxious attention-getters and a lot of normal people having fun.
 
As for being effeminate, it's a mixed bag.  Seemingly cross-gendered behavior comes naturally with homosexuality.  We're all conditioned with gender roles, and most of us conform to various degrees.  Boys are taught to act like "men," and girls are taught to act like "women."  As there is a spectrum of natural behavior, there are many people who speak, walk, or make gestures in a way that doesn't fit their assigned gender role, and they adjust to normalize.  Being gay inherently forces one to reconsider gender roles, and this confrontation makes them more likely to eschew the status quo in favor of their natural tendencies.  There are certainly heterosexuals that do this as well, but they're few and far between.  At some point, they considered gender roles critically and made their choices.  Homosexuals are forced to do this, so there's a significantly higher occurrence.  Factor in that homosexuality is a sub-culture, and it's easy to see how such behavior spreads.  In any subculture, people develop similar behavioral patterns.  Metal heads, rap fans, computer geeks, etc. often share mannerisms.  Odds are that many of your gestures and habits are a product of your cultural surroundings.