Red_Piano

@l33t_haxor: Seems like I would just lose constantly and have no fun at all if I did that.

@historyinrust: I see, i'll try it out.

@historyinrust: So I went ahead and did what you suggested, I can do the forward+Y, X, down+Y, run, Y, Y, Y, < > Y, < > X, jump, Y, forward+A, B and it only does 4% more damage than cutting out the run part. Which, seems kind of silly to me, more risk for a tiny bit of reward?

EDIT: I also just realized that the combo I've been doing is overly complicated, this Y, Y, Y, < > Y, < > X, jump, Y, forward+A, B, does either 30% or 31% I forget exactly, this Y, Y, Y, < > Y, jip, uppercut does the same damage. So a lessy flashy combo does more damage... :(

@historyinrust: I might try it out I don't know, it's kind of a frustrating experience just training because I want the game to be simpler so much lol. Again in stark contrast to the nights I would spend dedicating hours trying to beat SFIV's character trials that were hard as balls.

Yeah I totally understand that they want it to have a healthy life in the tournament scene, I doubt that it will, or at least it seems to me that no game is ever going to become center focus like SF is. I do wonder how worth it it is to appeal to that crowd instead of appealing more to the wide swath of scrubs that I'm sure bought this game.

I've been checking out youtube videos and stuff, I was playing around online and used Reptile on a whim and kind of liked him so I checked out some videos for basic combos, which is what prompted this thread as even his basic combos for a little over 20% are too timing specific for me to pull off lol. I love Mortal Kombat too, but eh, they've changed it in exactly the sort of way that would push me away from it so I don't know.

@historyinrust: I'm just doing master of souls and using the, it's like punch 3x into the soul lock thing, dash forward, soul break or whatever and then do a kick combo and that's I think 32% exactly or close to that. Other than that it's just mixups and he has fast overheads and stuff so I haven't had too much trouble doing decently well with him.

It just sucks to me that they changed it the way they did, it feels like they're just appealing to tournament players by making the game more challenging and less accessible to scrubs who only want to play MK to do flashy cool stuff fairly easily, I never did 40%+ combos in MK9 but I still had a lot of fun with it just because the basic combos you could do and get decent damage, were fun to do and looked cool and every character but a few were pretty accessible.

I guess I should just give up on the game at this point, obviously nothing is going to change and because the online is the way it is and I don't have any friends playing it, there's no chance I'm going to learn the technical difficult stuff and when I get bored of Ermac there don't seem to be many other accessible alternatives. It's a real shame because I love everything else they've done, it looks fantastic, I want to play it, just every time I try to branch off from Ermac at this point it's a super frustrating experience.

It's kind of funny to me, I feel like SFIV is less difficult than MKX just to get a basic understanding of some basic BnB style combos for characters that are both flashy and effective, the timing in SFIV is more immediate but requires specific input timing, whereas the timing in MKX is weirdly slow paced and yet also requires a frustrating amount of specific timing.

@ozzdog12: No I fully expect 30%, I just expect it to be easier than it is with a lot of the characters I've tried. What you say is exactly why I think 30% should be easy, because just getting the combo off to begin with is a challenge in and of itself, so when the timing is super specific, as it seems to be for many 30% or less combos, it's kind of idiotic I think.

What I want is what MK9 did and make it so you have every character able to do 30% or so combos easily, that incorporate their main moves into the combos, like Reptile's 30% combos in MK9 used his slime ball, not in MKX. Sub Zero's 30% combos used his freeze ball and kick slide, not so much in MKX, or they do but are way more challenging. And, at least from my experience this seems the case with most of the characters.

So when MKX came out I complained a fair bit about how difficult combos were for Sub Zero, just to get up to 30% or so and I think that holds true for most of the characters. I did finally find a good and fairly easy combo for 32% for Ermac and some other solid basic combos that would allow me to play mix ups and stuff more than just try to get raw damage in long combos.

But I'm still having trouble with other characters, like Reptile I figured out I really like, but the highest combo I can get is like 23%. I looked up bread and butter combos and they all seem super tight timing or use meter just for 30% or so.

It seems like most of the characters require some sort of short wait or run or dash in between juggles to get higher than 20% and very few of the characters I've messed around with actually use their more iconic abilities in their strong combos.

It also doesn't help that every match I play online always has a noticeable latency, so where 30%~ combos were fairly easy to pull off in MK9 even in a laggy match, a lot of the timing strict combos in MKX I just cannot pull off online at all and can barely pull them off in training.

And I'm using a gamepad which seems to contribute to my execution problems a little too, so I don't know.

@dochaus: I'm genuinely curious, what would you have people refer to the vast swath of people who regularly partake in criticizing people, games, movies, media and things for being sexist, racist etc. if not SJW's. I know some use SJW as some evil negative thing but I just see it as a way to refer to people with those interests.