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@Knight244 said:

Are you just suggesting I'm disturbed because you don't like the satirical jabs at your expense? Of course I don't think that's what you said. I was exaggerating to make a point. However, is the claim that you weren't suggesting that Jesus and the 12 disciples were mass murderers trustworthy when in the very next sentence you state that God sure did kill a LOT (you used caps like this) of people in the Bible. Um, should I not think that you're suggesting that God is a mass murderer when you accuse Him of killing a LOT (again caps implying a mass amount maybe?) of people? I don't agree with your examples but to get into disputing all that would take forever and a day so can we just agree to disagree for now?

It's trustworthy in the sense that I never mentioned it and mentioned God in response of your comment. And yes, I'm suggesting God (if he existed) would be a mass murderer. (on human terms. He didn't actually kill his own kind so to him it would be like killing ants I suppose). And I think wiping out all life on a whole planet justifies "a LOT", don't you? But you're right, it's pointless going down this path. So, truce.

@Knight244said:

Yeah, I also heard that the roman emperor Nero said that Christians burned down Rome and guess what he lied.

I wasn't even talking about Rome. I was talking about the crusades, the inquisitions, the witch burnings, the spreading of Christianity at sword point as a "join or die" rule.

Let me get this straight then, so what you're saying is that 12 poor men, one a humble fisherman, mass murdered their way to making Christendom the force it was for 2000 years. I assume of course you believe that they took their example from Jesus who mass murdered His way off of the cross he was being crucified upon by the cruel powerful Roman empire and cruel hypocritical Jewish religious elite so that he could nuke all of Jerusalem in an effort to give birth to his unrelenting unstobbable Christian empire of total domination and uppercuts for everyone? Of course, what better way to do it then to give yourself up completely to a cruel tormenting death upon a cross.

Your... "extrapolation" of what you think I said is... disturbing. You seem to have issues. You said Christianity has never been involved with mass murder, I disagreed. I never said anything about the religious figures themselves, although God did kill a LOT of people in the bible.

And of course you wouldn't be implying that your liberal philosophy isn't the truth and all others are false philosophies and religions that are filled with liars? It's not you right, that's just the truth?

Fair point, except I never implied that my stance, beliefs or philosophies were truth. Just that I was unsettled by your (and others') unwavering belief that they are the true chosen ones and everyone else are liars.

@Knight244 said:

Please enlighten me so I can prove you wrong professor.

You can't honestly be saying you have never heard of any mass murders being done in the name of christianity? I guess all of them just "pretended" they were Christian? Oh wait, if it weren't for them Christianity wouldn't have existed today.

@John1912 said:

Maybe if we remove religion we will have one less boundary over which to segregate ourselves into hateful and mistrusting groups. Religion has been the root cause of infinitely more deaths and suffering then video games will ever allegedly cause.

Oh I assure you that people will have no trouble creating all sorts of hateful and mistrusting groups without the aid of a professed religious ideology. Just ask the National Socialists and the Communists. It turns out that men just love to hate and mistrust and they really don't need any religious ideology to do it. Of course if they so desire they can create an infinite amount of false religious ideologies to provide icing for their hate mistrust cakes and lo and behold the world is filled with false religious ideology too.

I love the self centered idea that your religion is truth and all others and false religions filled with liars. We all know there's only one TRUE religion, now bow down before Odin!

@Knight244 said:

What qualities does a true Scotsman possess? Is it simply to be born in Scotland or does a true Scotsman possess a certain virtue of character? I never tried to define another's religion. I know the definition of my religion and that definition doesn't include mass murder. I did not claim that I get to decide what others call themselves. Really, is it a huge leap to assume that someone would blame religion in the political climate we all inhabit in this day and age. The Catholic Church gets blamed when someone burns their toast so I don't think I'm making a crazy leap here. I agree, his belief system was the major contributor in what he acted out, but that doesn't exonerate the video games he chose to play from all guilt. Congratulations you know how to use cursy words and you speak very well but I'm tempted to think that it's all just very clever rhetoric to dismiss my positions. For example, calling my allusion to No Russian bizarre is stretching it. That level is pretty much exactly what the man acted out in real life. This is the example he was shown by a well respected wealthy business corporation that employs supposedly mature adults who chose to sell to the public for profit a game with a level that rewards the player for acting out wanton mass murder. No one down at KillerHighScore Corp. seems to think murder has any real moral weight so why should anyone who buys the game? Am I completely wrong here or might there just maybe be a tiny bit of sanity in here somewhere? I mean I love video games and I even like some shooters but that level in Modern Warfare 2 is despicable. My science lectures are free to the public and no one loses any points for not attending. All magic shows follow the lectures and there is a small fee to attend. My arguments have been coherent you big idiot head idiot dummy. Couldn't hurt to try stupid head.

The issue here is the belief that the games caused him to do it. That's easy to disprove since millions have played the same games without committing murder. And if it in some way pushed him further in that direction is impossible to say for sure, but you have to remember that this is a guy that had this mindset for years before those games existed. More importantly, he was a member of a gun club and had a lot of experience using firearms, which is far beyond anything a simple game could teach.

The biggest problem with your argument though is that by that logic anything that helped him would have to take an equal share of the blame, but the one who you should blame is him.

I know the definition of my religion and that definition doesn't include mass murder.

You need a history lesson.

@gale: Well said.

@LOUISE_CYPHRE: Again, they're not blaming games. They're just of the opinion that it's in bad taste to sell games like that this close to the tragedy.

@Knight244: Not unless you're an insane murderous lunatic with visions of world domination.

edit to reply to the edit: You don't have to believe anything but you should be careful with claiming that someone is lying just because you disagree with them. And, why do you have to defend yourself anyway? So what if he was a christian? No-one is suggesting that's the reason he did this. However if you want to get into the definition of what a proper Christian is then you'll have a flame war on your hands because every grouping has different ideas of what a proper christian is.

@Knight244: You just called millions of Christians liars... are you sure you don't want to retract that statement?

@bybeach: I assure you this has nothing to do with the government, and I think most free market follower will agree that any company should be free to carry the products they wish. And whatever lack of courage that decision shows has no relevance to our government or the Norwegian public in general.

@Knight244: And I guess it's for you to decide what is psudoscience? Which would include anything you don't like? Is Evolution on that list as well? Also, you can't say that someone isn't christian just because they don't agree with you. If that was the case then the same would be true for Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans and so on as well. It's like saying someone isn't an American because he was born in Texas and you don't like those Texans.