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But there are now You Tubers who have been working for longer than many traditional game journalists, and can't experience be picked up along the way? I'm pretty sure Jeff didn't have any sort of schooling in journalism or whatever. He learned as he went on. Why can't the same be said for you tubers?

Sure, I referred to YouTubers' lack of professional experience. When I say that, I mean whatever experience they build is as a YouTuber - they operate within the norms of that community. They don't work in a professional environment, where, for example, you have to learn the intricacies of conflicts of interest, unbiased reporting, etc in a structured way - the way you would working even for a short amount of time as a journalist.

Are we still talking about game journalism? Because I don't even feel I get unbiased reporting from the nightly world news, much less video game websites. I'm not talking about reviews, either, which I don't believe can be presented without bias.

You said you're a journalist. Did you mean a video game journalist, or did you mean another type of journalist? I do agree with your definition of journalism, but I don't see much of that in the video game industry.

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One of the funnier YouTube trends I've come across recently is this whole 'news commentary' community, which equates YouTube drama to 'news'.

I've seen many "professional" gaming websites that wrote heavily biased articles based on industry drama, and some of that drama could be classified as completely unsubstantiated. As far as You Tube goes, however, thankfully they've adjusted their polices to allow them to deal with drama channels. Hopefully they'll actually act on their policy changes.

Welcome to Giant Bomb, btw.

Well yes, that's a whole other can of worms! I work as a features writer at a newspaper. Pretty old school haha. I can't really speak for the video game journalism industry - I don't think it's as bad as the reporting you see in the MMA or wrestling worlds. I mean, just look at Jeff's history - the man is a class act. But, yeah it does seem important to toe the line within that realm.

While it doesn't matter in my line of work if I get blacklisted by one company or source, because I'd still never run out of sources or stories, managing relationships is really important for game journalists. That comes with an extra layer of considerations. You don't want to have an AAA publisher blacklist you.

Those clickbait blogs wind me up the most. Content thieves that get a free pass from mindless consumers. "Someone modded Skyrim... and it's BREATHTAKING!!!!"

Thanks! Glad to be here :3

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@dijon said:

i feel like over the last two weeks everyone has started saying "influencers" and i would just like to say that as a society we could come together and stop this

I second the honourable member's motion to purge the word 'influencers' from our collective lexicon.

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But there are now You Tubers who have been working for longer than many traditional game journalists, and can't experience be picked up along the way? I'm pretty sure Jeff didn't have any sort of schooling in journalism or whatever. He learned as he went on. Why can't the same be said for you tubers?

Sure, I referred to YouTubers' lack of professional experience. When I say that, I mean whatever experience they build is as a YouTuber - they operate within the norms of that community. They don't work in a professional environment, where, for example, you have to learn the intricacies of conflicts of interest, unbiased reporting, etc in a structured way - the way you would working even for a short amount of time as a journalist.

They're just two completely different things. Sure, a YouTuber can provide unbiased, professional reviews in theory, but it seems like most people here feel that it is rarely done.

One of the funnier YouTube trends I've come across recently is this whole 'news commentary' community, which equates YouTube drama to 'news'.

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Journalist here. Someone here said that journalists look down on video game journalists - that's not true at all. We're all journalists.

That aside, I feel the same way about YouTube 'influencers' as I do about 'new media' types. There's definitely room for what they do, but it can't be compared to journalism. They haven't had the training or professional experience of those working in the industry.

That doesn't mean that all YouTubers should be completely dismissed, or looked down upon, though. Judge them on their individual merits.

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Did you ever listen to the old XFM stuff they did? That was gold.

I regularly listen to:

TOFOP: A comedy podcast hosted by Australian comedian Wil Anderson, and actor Charlie Clausen.

The Dollop: An American history comedy podcast, hosted by comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds.

Mental Illness Happy Hour: Comedian Paul Gilmartin explores mental illness, alongside a host of fascinating and inspiring guests.

Solomonster Sounds Off: Essential listening for any wrestling fans.

Though it's finished, of course I have to recommend Walking the Room. Life changing stuff.

@clush said:

I just realized 2 things.

1: I'm fuckin' 31. (truly one of the most shocking realizations you'll have in your life...)

2: that means that at least a couple of people here would be too young to remember the Ricky Gervais podcasts, back in the day. It's legendary. It's called The Ricky Gervais Show, which started as a radio show and later turned into a podcast. Even later still they made The Ricky Gervais Guide To... I think most of these can quite easily be found on youtube and probably elsewhere on the internet as well.