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Why a One Console Future Makes Sense

   How’s this for a loaded topic? Are we headed toward a one console future? I’d like to think so and always have, since I reached the age of reason. Just think about it; right now video games are one of the only mediums where this type of media divide exists. Sure, as of now you can buy an eBook in Kindle, Nook, or iBook format but there is always ePub as a standard open format. Music has MP3s, and film has DVDs. All three are channels in which you consume your media of choice in one, universal form. When it comes to console video games, no such standard exists. I admit, video games are relatively new compared to the other major mediums. Because of this, I understand that, it's constantly evolving and fitting into what it will one day become. I just think that it’s about time we start to look into this topic a bit more logically.


Back when VHS and Betamax were fighting for the consumer standard there is was one thing that consumers wanted; and that was for one to die and a standard to emerge. The same happened in music and the same is happening with books (I’m fully aware that it’s still an on going issue with eBooks but then again, that is even newer than video games). Just recently, look at what happened to Blu-Ray and HD DVD. While both were on the market, sales were weak because consumers were scared to support one format over the other -they were afraid when the smoke cleared they’d be in the loser’s corner. The point is, these types of choices scared off potential customers. For another example, look at how cable companies are fighting for our business; some of them buying channels in order to offer them exclusively on their network, and others outright lying about what they offer. Have consumers benefited from this cable company war by paying lower prices? No, and in fact, its driven many people away. How about this, imagine buying a Sony TV that only plays channels 1-50 while a Samsung TV only plays channels 51-100. Wouldn’t you be outraged? Why are we so willing to accept it in our console games?


We’ve always had competing games and hardware; in video games, that’s just the way it’s been. But does that mean we can’t change it? As an industry we have to evolve. I’ve heard naysayers using the example of competition being hurt by having only one one console on the market. I never understood that; as if Halo doesn’t compete with Call of Duty on the Xbox 360 in sales, or Uncharted and Tomb Raider don’t compete on the Playstation 3 in popularity. As it stands now, most games are multi-platform and a good amount of them suffer for it. If there was only one console, Playstation 3 owners wouldn’t have gotten burned on the Orange Box, and Xbox 360 owners would have gotten a fully uncompressed Final Fantasy 13. A fully supported system standard rectifies that.


In a one console future, the only thing to worry about is the standard that's accepted for the hardware and the games being made. Consumers can still buy from their favorite manufacturer, the same way I buy Sharp TVs and HP computers. But with one console spec standard, there's no need to worry about the expensive alternatives or losing out on games not on your system; and of course it drops the barrier for entry on someone who is just now stepping into the hobby. As an industry, if we want to continue to grow we need to find ways others than the Wii to bring in new gamers.

It can even make economical sense. As it stands now most companies lose money on hardware for a very long time, with R&D and console launching budgets cut, companies like Sony, Microsoft and Valve can still push their services and concentrate on making and publishing games, which is where the real money is. I’d even wager that game development cost would go down as well. No need to hire a completely different team to make Portal 2 on the Playstation 3 if there is just one console to make it for.


When all is said and done, I don’t expect this to happen anytime soon. Even though gaming is in, it’s infancy, certain things needs to be addressed in order to move forward.

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   How’s this for a loaded topic? Are we headed toward a one console future? I’d like to think so and always have, since I reached the age of reason. Just think about it; right now video games are one of the only mediums where this type of media divide exists. Sure, as of now you can buy an eBook in Kindle, Nook, or iBook format but there is always ePub as a standard open format. Music has MP3s, and film has DVDs. All three are channels in which you consume your media of choice in one, universal form. When it comes to console video games, no such standard exists. I admit, video games are relatively new compared to the other major mediums. Because of this, I understand that, it's constantly evolving and fitting into what it will one day become. I just think that it’s about time we start to look into this topic a bit more logically.


Back when VHS and Betamax were fighting for the consumer standard there is was one thing that consumers wanted; and that was for one to die and a standard to emerge. The same happened in music and the same is happening with books (I’m fully aware that it’s still an on going issue with eBooks but then again, that is even newer than video games). Just recently, look at what happened to Blu-Ray and HD DVD. While both were on the market, sales were weak because consumers were scared to support one format over the other -they were afraid when the smoke cleared they’d be in the loser’s corner. The point is, these types of choices scared off potential customers. For another example, look at how cable companies are fighting for our business; some of them buying channels in order to offer them exclusively on their network, and others outright lying about what they offer. Have consumers benefited from this cable company war by paying lower prices? No, and in fact, its driven many people away. How about this, imagine buying a Sony TV that only plays channels 1-50 while a Samsung TV only plays channels 51-100. Wouldn’t you be outraged? Why are we so willing to accept it in our console games?


We’ve always had competing games and hardware; in video games, that’s just the way it’s been. But does that mean we can’t change it? As an industry we have to evolve. I’ve heard naysayers using the example of competition being hurt by having only one one console on the market. I never understood that; as if Halo doesn’t compete with Call of Duty on the Xbox 360 in sales, or Uncharted and Tomb Raider don’t compete on the Playstation 3 in popularity. As it stands now, most games are multi-platform and a good amount of them suffer for it. If there was only one console, Playstation 3 owners wouldn’t have gotten burned on the Orange Box, and Xbox 360 owners would have gotten a fully uncompressed Final Fantasy 13. A fully supported system standard rectifies that.


In a one console future, the only thing to worry about is the standard that's accepted for the hardware and the games being made. Consumers can still buy from their favorite manufacturer, the same way I buy Sharp TVs and HP computers. But with one console spec standard, there's no need to worry about the expensive alternatives or losing out on games not on your system; and of course it drops the barrier for entry on someone who is just now stepping into the hobby. As an industry, if we want to continue to grow we need to find ways others than the Wii to bring in new gamers.

It can even make economical sense. As it stands now most companies lose money on hardware for a very long time, with R&D and console launching budgets cut, companies like Sony, Microsoft and Valve can still push their services and concentrate on making and publishing games, which is where the real money is. I’d even wager that game development cost would go down as well. No need to hire a completely different team to make Portal 2 on the Playstation 3 if there is just one console to make it for.


When all is said and done, I don’t expect this to happen anytime soon. Even though gaming is in, it’s infancy, certain things needs to be addressed in order to move forward.

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Isn't it a bit unfair to compare the Betamax/VHS fights to console fights? After all, that type of conflict has existed in games for some time; first it was cartridges vs. CDs, then CDs vs. DVDs, and now DVDs vs. Blu-Ray, and physical vs. digital. You're talking about two different beasts, to a certain extent.

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With a one console future who gets to make it and profit from it? If you mean they all make a version of it like TVs/DVD players with different specs....isn't that just what we have now? What about PCs isn't that just a form of "One console" and look at how many GPUs/CPUs/Mobos are out there that developers have to consider. That would just translate to consoles just by different companies, the developers would still need to bug test with all the different designs. 
 
Of course I would LOVE to have just one console that could play all my games from each different system, the problem is trying to figure out a sound way of doing that. Only option I see is all 3 of them combine and work together (haha!) to make 1 console that the profits could be split. Or you know, everyone just use PCs!

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@Nikral said:
" Only option I see is all 3 of them combine and work together (haha!) to make 1 console that the profits could be split.  "
Now that I remember my video game history, third parties could get the job done well, too. In fact, they did.
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Well, I don't have all the answers figured out but I assume all companies will decide on a standard spec, and hardware OEMs will be able to make the systems themselves. Essentially making Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft simply service and software providers.

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i don't think we will see that any time soon. i think they would fight over who gets to make it and things. there are just a lot of companies that work with each other. it would be a crazy simple world if that happened. there is something like that onlive. it really only gets console third party systems, as of right now. it needs to get some exclusives in there for it to become popular.

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@Video_Game_King:   

The expansion module prompted legal action from Atari, but Atari was unable to stop sales of the module because the 2600 could be reproduced with standard parts.

You think that 1 of the big 3 would let some third party do that? Nuh uh, not in today's world! I'm also pretty sure there are protection methods now implemented in today's consoles that check to see if the game is actually allowed to run, of course correct me if I'm wrong.
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Competition breeds innovation.

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Doubt they'd want to do that. Giving up exclusive IPs (can't have with same specs) as well as the fact that if their consoles arent unique ysyd have to have more competitive prices. I also agree with the dude above, your analogies don't exactly apply here.

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@StriderNo9: 
 
That's pretty much why this will never happen: the three companies really want to control what gets on their consoles, and how they work. It's kinda why Nintendo hates the Homebrew Channel, and why Sony sued for jailbreaking PS3s in Europe. That explains @Nikral: 's view, at least. Speaking of him, what really odd timing on that response. I'll just say that although it's not a very good option, or one that will ever happen, but it is an option.
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Stupid idea, only hurts the consumer.

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Not going to happen. 

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@Nikral said:
" With a one console future who gets to make it and profit from it? If you mean they all make a version of it like TVs/DVD players with different specs....isn't that just what we have now? What about PCs isn't that just a form of "One console" and look at how many GPUs/CPUs/Mobos are out there that developers have to consider. That would just translate to consoles just by different companies, the developers would still need to bug test with all the different designs.  Of course I would LOVE to have just one console that could play all my games from each different system, the problem is trying to figure out a sound way of doing that. Only option I see is all 3 of them combine and work together (haha!) to make 1 console that the profits could be split. Or you know, everyone just use PCs! "
This guy pretty much ends the thread. Only the marketplace can dictate how many consoles are out there. The closest thing to complete console dominance was the PS2. EVERYONE had (and probably still has) a PS2. Even then though, there were still other options. It's never gonna happen.
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If I understand you correctly, you do not want a single console perse but you want a standardised platform on which multiple companies can build their own console and compete. Definately interesting in theory...

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First, you need to convince developers to switch to OpenGL or some new open API.  An open console with an open API is entirely possible.

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@jayjonesjunior said:

" Stupid idea, only hurts the consumer. "

It would be stupid to have a console standard and API controlled by one company or a cartel (i.e., Microsoft and DirectX).  It would not be stupid to have an open console standard used by several companies. Read about MSX. 

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" Not going to happen.  "

Something similar happened in Japan, in the 80s.  Read about MSX.
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@teh_pwnzorer: Yeah, and the MSX is still around today, and is a powerhouse to be reckoned with.  
 
I stand by what I said. It's not going to happen. Not again, anyway. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are too heavily invested and entrenched in the console war for there to be any sort of one, unifying console.  
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@StriderNo9: 
First off there already is a standard...the PC.
 
Second you have software and hardware completely ass backwards. The actual films being on DVD and blu ray are the games and whether it's shot using a specific HD camera or using the latest 3D animation or CGI tech is the console. You have to make that distinction.
 
Games are too hardware reliant to ever benefit from a one console system. Do you realize certain games come out that are pushing technology as hard as they can so you need new technology to experience? Much like films who push out bleeding edge tech.

Aren't you the same guy who said that portable gaming is the future too?
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I think it's kinda unfair to compare platforms to the format wars. I think it should be thought of as, for example, action movies vs psychological thrillers. Some people like the one, some people like the other; however, it will never become "standardised". I doubt any company from the big 3 would let the others just create a monopoly.
 
It's like cars. I like Porsche, you like Ferrarri. Neither of them will die anytime soon because there's simply no need for it.

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@StriderNo9: What if the only console was the Wii? Competition breeds innovation. If consumers don't have a choice, then there's little financial reason for the manufacturers to improve their product. That's why it's so important.
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@MooseyMcMan said:
" @teh_pwnzorer: Yeah, and the MSX is still around today, and is a powerhouse to be reckoned with.                                           "
I guess you're too lazy to look it up on Wikipedia.  Of course, everything from the 80s isn't around anymore.
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@cinemandrew said:
" @StriderNo9: What if the only console was the Wii? Competition breeds innovation. If consumers don't have a choice, then there's little financial reason for the manufacturers to improve their product. That's why it's so important. "
Look up MSX.  It was a computer standard shared by Japanese computer makers that didn't stifle competition.  The Metal Gear series started on MSX.
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Didn't read your post man, but let me just say; one console future makes sense to everyone except Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.  And because of that, it's never gonna happen.  We are better off hoping for a NO console future, where everything is run off our PCs.  That would cut licensing costs and create an open platform that EVERYONE could work with.  But again, that's not that likely to happen either.

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@HadesTimes: 
 
What? If someone wanted and truly felt that consoles stifled creativity or what have you...they totally can just develop PC games to their hearts content.  How is more choice a bad thing?
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@teh_pwnzorer: No, I looked it up on GiantBomb. Didn't seem that interesting. Didn't change my opinion on the current situation with consoles.  
 
THERE IS NEVER GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS ONLY ONE CONSOLE.  
 
Not only that, but IT WOULD BE BAD FOR CONSUMERS OVERALL. 
 
Why do you think consoles are as powerful as they are? COMPETITION. That is the driving force of capitalism, which is ultimately what this all boils down to.  
  
Competition results in everyone trying to one-up each other, and they keep making better products, or give up, and some other enterprising company replaces them. 
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@Doctorchimp: because PC games sell only marginally better than XBLA and PSN games.  No publisher is going to sink a huge amount of money into a PC only game that isn't an MMO.  More platforms equals more money.  It's all about business baby.
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For the same reasons the mobile phone market has competitors making different phones is because the it forces them to improve their product. Gaming can benefit from this as well. All three consoles are all vastly different pieces of technology, creating more varieties of games and giving us more to play. I would much rather live in a world where the Big 3 has to struggle to survive than where any one of them has an iron grip on our wallets and plans to suck us dry because we depend on them.

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"I’ve heard naysayers using the example of competition being hurt by only having one console on the market. I never understood that, as if Halo doesn’t compete with Call of Duty on the Xbox 360 in sales, or Uncharted and Tomb Raider don’t compete on the Playstation 3 in popularity."
 
You don't understand it because it's not about the software, but hardware. The same would go with only a single producer of graphics cards for the PC. If there were only one company making the hardware, there would be less pressure to make the next generation of cards. We have the video cards we do today because of the intense competition between Nvidia and ATI (and now Intel). If there were only one console maker, there would be less pressure on the console creator to add new features. The Xbox 360 and PS3 have both come a long way since their introduction. If there hadn't been competition between Microsoft and Sony (and, yes, Nintendo), we wouldn't see many new features on the consoles. Both companies try to one-up the other in features, and they keep each other honest. Otherwise they'd release their consoles and that would be that.
 
In the end, it's good for PS3 fans that there is an Xbox 360, and vice versa. So long as both companies compete, we're all getting better consoles and better features. I think this aspect alone is enough to justify having multiple consoles. Yes, I know it increases the cost of game development, and saddles us with console exclusives. But as costs increase, exclusives have become more rare. I think we'll have multiple consoles for the foreseeable future, that we'll see fewer exclusives, and that this will be good for all gamers.
 
If you want a choice between manufacturers and a more flexible setup, there is already PC gaming. I think it's best if the two styles stay separate.

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@MooseyMcMan said:
" @teh_pwnzorer: No, I looked it up on GiantBomb. Didn't seem that interesting.  "
Ignorance has no cure.
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@haggis: I disagree. Right now, what's inside an XBox 360? It's an ATI card right? Well I am sure there was competition between other card markers to be the card used in the Xbox 360, one of them one out in the end because it provided what MS needed and had a price they could afford. With Sony making their own graphic card, I believe, it leaves other card manufactures to make money off PC purchases, so it's mostly business as usual for them. And I am totally okay with the services competing, I don't mind paying for Xbox Live services so I can get Netflix or whatever service I want, as long as I can still play the same games as everyone. That's a bit more complicated but I still think it can work. Multiple services options on the same console for services, not games. 
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@HadesTimes said:
" @Doctorchimp: because PC games sell only marginally better than XBLA and PSN games.  No publisher is going to sink a huge amount of money into a PC only game that isn't an MMO.  More platforms equals more money.  It's all about business baby. "
Is this the same business that benefits from competition and created the XBLA and PSN spaces to compete with each other?  And since the competition was so good and produced a great product it got a lot of people to regularly buy games of it and made it a new and great way to make money? Which then companies and developers choose to take part in?
 
I'm getting lost in your argument man, you might want to rethink some things....
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A one-anything future is a dystopian nightmare.

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@teh_pwnzorer: Now you're just being an ass. We're on a video game website, so I decided to look it up on this site, and I didn't find it interesting. How the hell does that make me ignorant? Sorry that I didn't want to take the time to look it up on Wikipedia (which I did after to whined about it, you ass). If anything, that makes me lazy, not ignorant. 
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@StriderNo9 said:
" @haggis: I disagree. Right now, what's inside an XBox 360? It's an ATI card right? Well I am sure there was competition between other card markers to be the card used in the Xbox 360, one of them one out in the end because it provided what MS needed and had a price they could afford. With Sony making their own graphic card, I believe, it leaves other card manufactures to make money off PC purchases, so it's mostly business as usual for them. And I am totally okay with the services competing, I don't mind paying for Xbox Live services so I can get Netflix or whatever service I want, as long as I can still play the same games as everyone. That's a bit more complicated but I still think it can work. Multiple services options on the same console for services, not games.  "
At what point in time did someone point a gun to your head and said you couldn't enjoy the wonders of all consoles?
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No, because they could then charge the consumer any amount of money they wanted for their services.

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@MooseyMcMan said:
" @teh_pwnzorer: Now you're just being an ass. We're on a video game website, so I decided to look it up on this site, and I didn't find it interesting. How the hell does that make me ignorant? Sorry that I didn't want to take the time to look it up on Wikipedia (which I did after to whined about it, you ass). If anything, that makes me lazy, not ignorant.  "
Lets all forget the fact that if the MSX model was in fact alive and kicking for the home consoles it would have to span generations so people with the most basic model could still enjoy the games on some level.
 
That would bring quality and innovation down and then actively force you to upgrade when they tell you to upgrade.
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Nintendo will never ever go for it.  There will always be at least 2.

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@Doctorchimp said:
" @StriderNo9:  First off there already is a standard...the PC.  Second you have software and hardware completely ass backwards. The actual films being on DVD and blu ray are the games and whether it's shot using a specific HD camera or using the latest 3D animation or CGI tech is the console. You have to make that distinction.  Games are too hardware reliant to ever benefit from a one console system. Do you realize certain games come out that are pushing technology as hard as they can so you need new technology to experience? Much like films who push out bleeding edge tech. Aren't you the same guy who said that portable gaming is the future too? "
the pc is the opposite of a standard. dragon age ii runs like shit on my computer because apparently i made the stupid mistake of buying an nvidia card.
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Monopoly is never a good option....

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@chrissedoff: 
 
I was talking more about the way developers pick lead consoles.
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Nope. 
 
Not going to happen anytime soon. 
 
A one console future entails that there will be different hardware specs depending on the price, much like PCs. And let's be honest, it's not easy keeping up with the constant upgrades PCs need already. 
 
What console was it that had multiple companies making hardware for it? Well, it's pretty much one of the most forgettable consoles that have been ever created. It was too confusing for consumers who just wanted to pick-up and play. 
 
And while R&D costs aren't recovered easily, even Sony with it's initial problems with the PS3 is now making money rather than losing it with every hardware they sell. I doubt that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo would quit when there's still room for all three companies to make money on hardware.

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Some people have made some interesting comments, but then again like everywhere else on the internet, some people just made blanket statements about competition, and others make comments about it never being a good idea to have one standard anything, ignoring the fact that things like TVs are already one standard, sure you can get them in different sizes and different features but they all play the same shows, the same with Blu-Ray, different players may have different features but they all play the same disks, or MP3 players all have different interfaces and features but they all play the same music (now).  
 
Now imagine if Nintendo, Sony, or whoever could sell you their console, along with all their features, services, and in their interface (competition). The only thing that would be standardized is the games and that is where the competition would stem from.

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One console would be a console that is boring, uncreative, and expensive as fuck.

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@jayjonesjunior: Explain, how it hurts us. Are you hurt by TV standards? Please explain your part. 
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And to everyone mentioning the MSX, keep in mind, the standardized hardware was NOT the reason it "failed". There were a few more, one of them being a company called Nintendo. That's like saying The Dreamcast failed because it had internet capabilities, so having internet capabilities is bad for consoles. No, DC failed for many reason, being internet enabled was not one of them.

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@StriderNo9 said:
" @jayjonesjunior: Explain, how it hurts us. Are you hurt by TV standards? Please explain your part.  "
Again you are unable to make the distinction between hardware and software.
 
You don't need different TV standards because shows are just shows, all you do is watch them.
 
When talking about games you are actually running them.
 
Think about a movie like the new Star Trek. You aren't creating the effects or the action, you are just watching what's already been done.
 
Think about all the ships and explosions, a computer had to animate and draw those up. That took a lot of horsepower for a computer to create. Once it's made they record it and just show you. You can record footage of games right? Even on a shity computer they will still play, you can take a laptop with an onboard graphics chip and play Giantbomb's Crysis 2 quick look, even though it wouldn't even boot up the actual Crysis 2 game. However once you actually try and play it your computer needs to actually create those effects every time.
 
That's why the TV standards can't work for games. You either have problems with logic or you are trolling...
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Hardware manufacturers wouldn't be willing to take a hit on the hardware side of things if that was the case. How much would the PS3 have cost if that were the case? It launched at $599.99 and they were losing money on it.

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@StriderNo9 said:
" Some people have made some interesting comments, but then again like everywhere else on the internet, some people just made blanket statements about competition, and others make comments about it never being a good idea to have one standard anything, ignoring the fact that things like TVs are already one standard, sure you can get them in different sizes and different features but they all play the same shows, the same with Blu-Ray, different players may have different features but they all play the same disks, or MP3 players all have different interfaces and features but they all play the same music (now).   Now imagine if Nintendo, Sony, or whoever could sell you their console, along with all their features, services, and in their interface (competition). The only thing that would be standardized is the games and that is where the competition would stem from. "
The people that sell tvs and mp3 players make money off the hardware, video game consoles often sell at a loss and gain revenue through software licensing.
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3DO attempted to do just that. We all know how that went.