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@marokai said:

@subject2change: That's totally cool, I'm not trying to cast aspersions on either side; I just think the "don't buy these consoles at launch" preaching seems so arbitrary when everyone taking that line will almost certainly be changing their tune one season from now. I just don't really get why the "buy/don't buy consoles at launch" argument gets so heated when it's just quibbling between what month to buy the consoles on. It's not like the console is going to be any cheaper, or the library of games that dramatically different, from November to March. Buy it if you want to, don't if you prefer to wait. There's no right or wrong here.

I get where you're coming from re: wanting to keep that money in your pocket. I'm much the same way. I just don't really see why someone like Brad or Patrick get so animated over not wanting to buy a console at launch, as people who can afford to take that ~500 dollar hit, but stubbornly talk about not wanting to, and instead prefer to wait... three months or so. Does it really matter that much? It just comes off as wanting to make a point, and it seems like an incredibly minor point to be making.

Absolutely, for them it makes no sense to not purchase it. They are a tax write off for them, it's part of their job. If I was in the industry or still living at home, I'd have that thing on the 15th and would of taken the day off of work to play it. I just had 2 friends cancel as well, and wasn't sure if it was the norm for gamers in their late 20s early 30s to wait on this. I was all gungho ready when they announced it and my excitement level has gone down significantly.

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I don't get this whole "preorder cancelling" nonsense. I don't get it in Patrick and I don't get it elsewhere. I mean, even with no games, the new consoles are sexy enough as they are that I want them at launch, and being able to play launch games on PS3 or even PC isn't the point. I want to see what AC4 looks like on these things. I want to see what NBA 2K is on these things. NFS Rivals alone looks worth oogling for a while.

Similarly, I've gotten tired of the "don't buy these consoles at launch!" whinging, and I'm not even going to be getting them at launch. Brad's made picking on the console launches his raison detre at this point, but always qualifies his statement with "But I'm sure in Spring there will be a lot of cool stuff to play on it." So.. I should wait like 4 months to get it instead? Why? So I can save zero dollars? Buy it in November or in March, what different does it make if other great games are right around the corner and the cost of entry is literally the same? It seems like such a petty point to keep harping on over and over.

"Don't buy these consoles at launch! Take a stand! Buy it 100 days later; that'll show 'em!"

It's not a stand, I have other expenses in my life and who knows if I may need that $500 at some other point. I'd rather not have it collect dust while I wait for releases. Watch Dogs, AC4 and DriveClub at launch originally made it worth it to me, as I don't typically game all that much and they would of lasted me til late Feb and March when other stuff was coming out. I'd rather have that money in my pocket and wait for those things to come out instead now.

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I don't get this whole "preorder cancelling" nonsense. I don't get it in Patrick and I don't get it elsewhere. I mean, even with no games, the new consoles are sexy enough as they are that I want them at launch, and being able to play launch games on PS3 or even PC isn't the point. I want to see what AC4 looks like on these things. I want to see what NBA 2K is on these things. NFS Rivals alone looks worth oogling for a while.

It's been a few times already, most notably on the Vita and Wii U, when people have mistaken "no games" for "no exclusives", and man, we need to get over that crap, fast. Exclusives are rare and getting rarer, and launch exclusives these days aren't like SNES exclusives. You upgrade to a PS4 for the same reason you upgrade your iPad: because it's cool and because the games and apps that are backwards compatible work better on the new one.

Come to think of it, that's also why you upgrade a PC. I don't see why consoles have so much more to prove than all those other devices. They're already not allowed to be as expensive as a tablet or a top-end GPU and now we're charging them with also needing to have a genre-defining first party exclusive at launch. Why the ridiculous expectations that we don't apply elsewhere?

I would of kept my PS4 Pre-order if your statement was at least true. The PS4 can play PS4 games, and will eventually be able to play older titles via Galaki but that's a streaming service and a year away. However I don't upgrade electronics that frequently, it's a waste of money. My PC was built in 08 and has been upgraded a few times. I don't own a tablet and my Vita gets the majority of my gaming time.

I preordered my PS4 initially knowing I was going to sit on the console for a bit and wait for new games, however I realized I'd rather just buy the thing when a bunch of games come out for it, which will probably be late Feb or March. I'd rather buy another PS3 now so I can move my old Fat one to my Office and have a quieter and smaller one in my living room for Netflix and downloaded games.


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@subject2change: I wouldn't play BF4 on current consoles.

I'm considering it but ultimately no. The fact remains I will want one for inFamous and Destiny and at least plus all those indie games. The price isn't going to drop until early 2015 so as I have the money why not get it now and just know I have it for the games I want.

BF4 was an example. I have no intentions of playing any shooter on any console in the near future (yes I am still a firm believe that mouse and keyboard just makes more sense). IF for some crazy reason I could M/KB on my PS4, they'd have me in a second.

@jgf I guess my examples were poor, I personally do not play shooters on console. If I was to purchase BF4 it would be on PC. However I have come to realization as someone who is a multiplatform gamer (PC, PS3, Vita) I need a handful of titles that will be appealing to me before I make a purchase. I was going to get the PS4 with Watch Dogs and AC4 to mostly be my reasoning behind getting it now rather than waiting. Personally that list of 36 games to look forward to almost none appeal to me (on a console) besides maybe Need For Speed as I am a huge fan of the original and reboot of the Hot Pursuit variation. I have yet to cancel my order, but expect to do so in a day or two. Simply put the 400 bucks would be better in my bank account rather than as a new netflix box. I would of been more open to the PS4 if it was fully backwards compatible as there is plenty on the PS3 that I have yet to play due to lack of free time.

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I guess since 2 games were delayed, all we have to look forward to is:

  1. Basement Crawl
  2. Counterspy
  3. Doki Doki Universe(Free-to-Play)
  4. Escape Plan(Cross-Buy)
  5. flOw(Cross-Buy)
  6. Flower(Cross-Buy)
  7. Killzone: Shadow Fall
  8. Knack
  9. Resogun(Free w/Plus)
  10. Sound Shapes(Cross-Buy)
  11. Assassins Creed 4: Black Flag
  12. Battlefield 4
  13. Blacklight: Retribution (Free-to-Play)
  14. Call of Duty: Ghosts
  15. Contrast (Free w/Plus)
  16. DC Universe Online (Free-to-Play)
  17. DiveKick
  18. FIFA 14
  19. Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition
  20. Just Dance 2014
  21. LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
  22. Madden NFL 25
  23. Minecraft
  24. N++
  25. NBA 2K14
  26. NBA Live 14
  27. Need for Speed Rivals
  28. Pinball Arcade
  29. PlanetSide 2 (Free-to-Play)
  30. Pool Nation Extreme
  31. Skylanders Swap Force
  32. Super Motherload
  33. Tiny Brains
  34. War Thunder: Ground Forces (Free-to-Play)
  35. Warframe (Free-to-Play)

Personally I play games solo 99% of the time, so anything FTP is really not for me. On that list, Need For Speed Rivals is the only thing I'd probably pay full price to play (as I love the Hot Pursuit franchise even on PS1). Knack I feel is going to be a lost title, that no one really remembers 5 years down the line. Killzone I'd wait for reviews and possibly spend a little time with online. Other than that, to me personally nothing is worth the $400 investment.

I still need to play GTA5, and I can play AC4 on my PS3. To me right now, it just means do I spend the 400 now or wait til there is a library of exclusives I want to play and play immediately.

@jayeh If I was going to play BF4 it would be on PC, so as a gamer who splits his time across many platforms I suppose in my case it makes sense to wait, I'd rather put 400-500 into a new computer than a new console right now.

@jayjonesjunior Multi-platform gamer myself, kinda the reason why I am thinking this way now, PC is mostly my Shooter and RPG go to system, Console for platformers, openworld and sports (just NHL games) and my Vita is for Indie games and PSP/PS1 Backlog or Nostalgia. Waiting on the PS4 makes sense, as I can clear out some of my PS3 backlog and collection as I wait for a few releases that speak to me.

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I have been speaking to a bunch of friends and it seems that we have all come to the conclusion of cancelling our pre-orders. Why?

Well the Launch games are nothing special. I can play AC4 on my PS3, I can play BF4 as well, nothing PS4 exclusive excites me and I was originally happy with the idea of having 3 games at launch (none exclusive besides DriveClub, but it would start me off with more than 1 game), nothing super special but AC4, Watch Dogs and PS+Version of DriveClub. Now I can only get one of those.

Still have a bunch of PS3 games that have yet to be confirmed for PS4, Dark Souls II a big one for me.

Anyone else cancelling?

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Out of the launch options, Watch Dogs is your best bet. Went to NYCC this weekend and got to see a bit more of Watch Dogs and I am now looking more forward to it.

AC4 (I haven't played an AC game, since AC2) and Watch Dogs will be my launch games. Just renewed my PS+ so I'll also have Drive Club. Nov 15th is so close!!!

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Without knowing your other specs, it's hard to know if your video card is what needs replacing or if you are going to be bottlenecked by other hardware.

However the 760 is probably your best bet if you are sure that your system will not be bottle necked by your CPU.

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Look into the 3930k instead of the 3770k. You'll need a different motherboard too.

Case, I am a fan of Lian Li. Expensive, but light and awesome.

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Nope, belongs on a PC in my mind and that's where I will continue to play it.