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@grixxel said:

It's not perfect but fuck, I love this website.

I can't think of a better way to put it.

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My only problem with the game is the actual gameplay itself.

On your first playthrough, planning out classes and trying to balance Elodie's mood seem like super interesting mechanics and if you're into the aesthetic of the game and the stuff you saw in, like, the Steam trailer and screenshots, you'll be thinking it's like the greatest game ever. The writing is great, the way taking classes shows you a brief overview of the progressively more advanced topics you're learning in a given subject is neat, and man, like everything about the presentation of the game itself is fantastic.

You notice as you play along that you're failing like every single skill check. You might even be like "aw man, I missed this Poisons check? Better bone up on Poisons" — only to find that you'll like never need Poisons again for the rest of the game. (Disclaimer: I have yet to complete a successful runthrough of the game, but have spent over three hours of time in the game according to Steam.) Then you'll die from something out of nowhere that you could've never seen coming and prepared for on your first time through.

"Okay," you think, "I'll give it another shot. This is clearly just a mechanics'd up visual novel, anyways, so I guess I should've expected hell of Bad Ends." On your subsequent playthroughs, you'll attempt to adjust your class schedules accordingly such as to allow you to pass checks for events that you now know are coming up from your previous playthroughs. Then, when you train for a key class, you'll get little-to-no skill points from it because you weren't watching your mood. Or worse yet, you were watching your mood and thought to make your princess as happy as possible because she starts the game all sad and depressed over the death of her mother, but as it turns out some class you wanted to take does barely anything or nothing at all for you because of the mood you're in. You search around the UI and try and find some sort of reasoning for which classes are affected by which moods — and it turns out that there is no such thing (although they [mostly] follow some sort of logic). Instead, you must either figure out which classes are affected by which moods on your own and write them down in a grid on a piece of paper... or just check the top-rated Steam guide for the game.

Basically, in the end, the game becomes more of an exercise in replaying the game over and over and learning from your failures, taking notes on what worked and what didn't, in order to come up with a plan to make a successful run through the game. If this sounds appealing to you, that's fine; I was hoping for a much more role-playing-oriented experience out of the game, myself. Again, I understand that it's a relatively short game once you have the path for "the right run" down, and the length of the experience comes from the act of replaying it over and over again, and also it's just a more mechanically-dense visual novel, when it comes down to it. These things are all fine, but it's just not quite what I hoped for given the promise of the game from the outset and the great writing the game has and such.

In summary, I feel like the game has a great setup, great art, great writing, average sound and music, and great mechanical premise... but just kind of crappy actual mechanics in the end. It's still worth playing if the theme and setting and stuff interests you, and even more so if you're willing to put up with the visual novel tropes that make several, several playthroughs a must if you want to see a non-death ending... but at the end of the day, I personally wound up finding the core gameplay systems to be frustrating and poorly thought-out.

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@daneian said:

The problem with the Spelunky criticism is that it doesn't address that the damsel mechanic was put in the game purely for its value as gameplay.

The game is about navigating hazardous environments for treasure so Yu thought up challenge that involves successfully taking a destructible item to the end of the level. The item he would select to use would be based on two factors: its ability to visually represent when it was damaged and the challenge failed and to maximize player investment in the item so they will want to get it to the end.

He'd already used treasure everywhere in the game so choosing another, more valuable treasure, would have been redundant. A human NPC is kinda the perfect choice. Remember that Spelunky is about a set of universal rules that everything in the game adheres to. He had already established the rules for player damage so he wouldn't need to come up with an entirely new concept.

That he worked to give players three choices for the sprite is actually quite generous since he was trying to account for a variety of players just as he did by providing several Spelunker models.

Jesus Christ holy shit somebody else in the world gets it! Couldn't've put it better myself.

There is literally nothing wrong with having a mechanic in your game where a male character saves a female character, and especially nothing wrong if you allow the player to choose not only the gender of the player character, but also the gender of the to-be-rescued character. That last part is Yu going the extra mile; he was in no way obligated to do that, but he correctly realized that it should stave off any criticism of gender tropes.

Let's say I make a game about a carpenter, or maybe a plumber, who goes to a magical world of pipes and dinosaurs to rescue a princess. Is that me being sexist, having that as the core conceit of my game? It's definitely not progressive or imaginative, but is it bad?

Likewise, if I were to make a game about a woman falling in love with another woman, should it be critically lauded as the greatest thing ever, just because of its non-traditional relationship? What if I were to take the exact same game and change the relationship that of a "traditional" one? Would people be as all over that game as they would the other one?

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@dalai said:

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Why in God's name did this thread get bumped

Yeah I know, right?

No but seriously this might be a record for being a twice-revived zombiethread with literally no reason for being revived either time.

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#5  Edited By takua108

Why are people talking about KDA and multikills like they're anywhere near valid metrics to measure performance by? If a ganker is ganking, he's doing his job. If a support is warding, stacking and pulling, and buying support items, he's doing his job. If a carry is farming well all game and building his awesome items to shit on faces in the late game, then he's doing his job. If a lane pusher is keeping the lanes hecka pushed, then he's doing his job. I could go on and on, but really, if you're thinking of your performance in Dota 2 solely in terms of K/D/A or how many kills you can string together or whatever. I am by no means an expert at Dota 2, but learning this is an important step towards understanding the game better. If the enemy acts all aggro and ganks most of your team all game while the right carry silently farms, and is able to like instagib the whole team and push to win at the end and win, then the kills the other team had were absolutely worthless.

Dota 2 is not Team Deathmatch.

Sorry about the side rant.

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@joetom said:

As much as I understand his contributions to the credibility of film criticism, I still don't think Ebert was ever that great of a critic. He gave movies poor reviews because he had issues with the morals they represented (notably A Clockwork Orange) which is beyond stupid. Movie reviews are about how good the film is, not whether you where offended or not.

If you want to explain that the film offended you, and as such, you can't give an accurate read on it, fine, but don't call it a bad movie because it upset you. That's childish.

Also, anyone who tries to define what is and isn't art is pretentious. Art is anything that expresses human creativity, and no one gets to refuse that label to something because they don't think it's good enough. To do so is narrow minded, and to refusing to listen to arguments while claiming you're right is even more narrow minded.

I'm not trying to say his death isn't significant and that he wasn't important, but I wish people would stop acting like he represented all that is good about criticism, because I never thought he was a particularly great one.

I haven't read that particular review, but... doesn't this just go back to the idea of Giant Bomb's current reviews versus the old Gamespot reviews? Like, it's less about whether a thing is "objectively" good or bad, and more of whether or not you found it enjoyable to experience? If I played, like, Modern Warfare 3 (which I haven't), and was offended by the politics in it (which I probably wouldn't be), would it be unfair for me to bring that up in a review?

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It would be both misleading and unfair to the Taliban to associate them with the same level as Kotako, Jezabel, Gawker and all that shitfesty drivel that doesn't even pretend to be anything more than ad-link-bait.

Did you actually just type those words for real on the Internet.

No, I typed them on a keyboard.

Just to be clear: you're actually favorably comparing a radical fundamentalist religious group that sides with actual terrorists to a company that makes disgustingly sensationalist headlines and profits on them?

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It would be both misleading and unfair to the Taliban to associate them with the same level as Kotako, Jezabel, Gawker and all that shitfesty drivel that doesn't even pretend to be anything more than ad-link-bait.

Did you actually just type those words for real on the Internet.

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This thread title is the stupidest headline of all time. The Prince said something that, while accurate, probably isn't something a Prince should have said, as it's trivializing the horror that is military conflict. That's all Taliban PR is saying, and really, they're not wrong (about this). The Kotaku writer is agreeing with Taliban's statement that "trivializing real-life war by comparing it to a video game, in a public statement, is a super shitty thing for a Prince to do." He's not fucking siding with the Taliban on Actual Issues that they stand for. He's just agreeing that this statement they made is a fair one. And I do too. And so should you.

Yeah the article is sensationalist, the Taliban response was sensationalist, but... so was OP.

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People who buy stuff like this are just the same people who buy "Modern Combat 4" and such on Android, right? Steam has just reached that point where not everything on it is great and not everyone who buys games on it is intelligent, I guess.