TentPole

@xyzygy: But that is not what you said.

Here are your exacty words: "Pretty sure there have been shit tons of games with loot that aren't Diablo. Mostly all of the 2D Castlevanias." There is no argument to be had here. That sentence is false. It can not be construed in any way as to be anything other than false.

I called you out on it in addition to the fact that you completely misread a post by another reader and foolishly condemned them for your lack of comprehension unless you are saying that Diablo 3 is not a timely topic of discussion.

That is the end of it. I am ashamed that I have wasted these few short moments of my life trying to talk sense with someone for whom it has become apparent that sense is not a trade in which they wish to dabble.

@xyzygy said:

@TentPole: I also go on to list the 2D Castlevania's that I'm talking about. LOVE how you excluded that part.

No you didn't. Look at your post again.

I am baffled.

@predator said:

First, backstory. I disown the entire games industry in it's current state and wish everyone involved would go out of business. My conscience wouldn't allow me work in that industry.

My question, when do you think we'll see more commercial free software games?

https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2010/fall/the-free-game-lag

And I thought I was a fucking asshole.

@xyzygy said:

Also... as for the 2D Castlevania games... really? I'm talking mothership titles like Aria of Sorrow, Circle of the Moon, Dawn of Sorrow, Portrait of Ruin, Order of Ecclesia, Symphony of the Night, etc. These games had enemies which had, depending on the enemy and the game, 1-3 items drops and 1-2 of which were rare which required luck or grinding. And every enemy had this, so I don't see how that couldn't be called "loot".

Castlevania 1-3 are mothership titles. Super Castlevania IV is a mothership title. Rondo of Blood is a mothership title. Dracula X is a mothership title. The Adventure, Belmont's Revenge, and Legends were just as important in their day as the more recent handhelds are today. That does not taking into account remakes such as Chronicles, Dracula X Chronicles or lesser gamers such as Vampire Killer, Haunted Castle, and ReBirth. Even only counting marquee releases it is more than SotN, the 3 GBA, and the 3 DS games. Now if you wanted to say you are only talking about more modern games you would be onto something but since you didn't, don't lecture me about Castlevania.

@xyzygy said:

I also never said that he said Diablo was the only loot game. I just said that there have been plenty released before D3 and after D2, so saying that now that D3 is released and that loot is "something really important" is a little off considering how obsessed people were with Borderlands' loot 3 years ago (and some still are because there are still lots of people playing).

Diablo 3 is extremely timely right now and that is what he was saying. There is nothing "a little off" about that.

Edit: This is coming out much harsher than it should have. Sorry for that.

You attacked a comment out of turn, taking it out of context. That is what this is about. Fuck you.

@xyzygy said:

@Bravestar said:

diablo 3 is out and suddently loot is something really important again haha.

enemies drop stuff, you find chests with stuff, stuff grows/lies around in the environment. I guess that counts as loot, right? but if you mean the loot that makes you check your inventory constantly, because you might have gotten a staff with +0.2 magic, no. this game isn't throwing a million trash items at you to satisfy the loot lust. it lets you collect a lot of stuff instead.

Pretty sure there have been shit tons of games with loot that aren't Diablo. Mostly all of the 2D Castlevanias, Borderlands is one of the better examples, Morrowind is another great one (though not random), Too Human. There are tons.

• There are less 2D Castlevania games with loot than without.
• All of those games other than Castlevania took direct and liberal inspiration from Diablo (Morrowind to a lesser, though still tangible, extent).
• He never said Diablo was the only loot game. He is just saying that it is especially relevant right now and is drawing unfair comparisons.

@BlackLagoon said:

@TentPole: The Governor never said Reckoning failed

I am going to say you are full of shit:

"The game failed, the game failed," Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee told attendees of a press conference

I did not like Skyrim at all.

That does not mean that it is not a great game though. It just prioritizes things I do not value as much as the things Dragon's Dogma does.

Sorry. I guess I didn't really mean "dedicated" and "casual" demographics. What I really meant was @Beaudacious said:

FarmVille-esque demographic

And

core gaming demographic

Because those are different.

Oh wait, You are an idiot.

EDIT: I just wan't to emphasize that I am calling you an idiot mostly because I am a hostile asshole that has called half of the giant bomb user base idiots. It is not personal.

@familyphotoshoot: You should try and get a job writing for Kotaku. You have already got the sweet headlines down.

@Beaudacious said:

Janky Innovation is the Core of PC Gaming, this is how many Mod's have become full fledged games, and how mods have redefined genre's.

The fact that today's market requires every game to be absolutely polished to perfection represents the decline of innovation in the gaming industry. This is how we end up with yearly franchises, where its exponentially easier to iterate on a franchise then a bold new concept.

Thankfully these Janky Innovative games are holding steady on PC. Can you ever imagine Mount and Blade, and DayZ being released in their janky forms if all we had was consoles? Or if all Game Developers had production pipeline's similar to Blizzard?

The problem with Blizzard is that they have the resources to be boring, ignore innovation, and simply polish stale concepts to high degree's. Basically Blizzard is a fat glutinous developer set in its ways. (Doesn't mean their stupid, far from it.)

Also the important thing to understand is that the masses that purchase Blizzard games aren't the core gaming demographic of PC gaming. The main blizzard demographic amounts to a FarmVille-esque demographic where they basically purchase one blizzard game and play that for the next 6 years, be it WoW, StarCraft, or Diablo.

These people don't go and buy Mount and Blade, or Battlefield 3, I feel like there's two demographics. There's the regular gamer's on PC, and then there's the Blizzard devote's. Yes there is overlap like with every demographic, but I believe the larger groups hold. I think this is why Blizzard is so successful, it has essential created its own sub-market.

There are a lot of people out there who have only played social media games, and Blizzard games.

Personally I think the Blizzard method is harmful to PC Gaming, but others will say it helps reaffirm PC gaming.

Foolish thing to say. Blizzard clearly has both the "dedicated" and "casual" demographics, and not just overlap. They just don't have you.

Also, fuck PC snobbery.