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@rebgav said:

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@thehumandove: That's a heterosexual man who wants to be a woman. He can "identify" as whatever the fuck he wants, it doesn't change what he is.

Does the dissonance between what someone is and what they want to be prevent you from being capable of empathizing with them or allowing them the same level of dignity that you would afford anyone else?

This is what empathy look like. Why arent you all like this?

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@icemael said:

@thehumandove: That's a heterosexual man who wants to be a woman. He can "identify" as whatever the fuck he wants, it doesn't change what he is.

Stop trying to oppress them

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@thehumandove: No? A lesbian is a woman who's sexually attracted to other women. A woman who's transsexual is one who wants to be a man. One does not guarantee the other.

What if it's a transsexual male that identifies as a lesbian?

A transman is someone who was born female but identifies as male. Because they identify as male they wouldn't also identify as lesbian because that would imply that they are a woman. They can be gay though.

Stop trying to oppress them

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@icemael said:

@thehumandove: No? A lesbian is a woman who's sexually attracted to other women. A woman who's transsexual is one who wants to be a man. One does not guarantee the other.

What if it's a transsexual male that identifies as a lesbian?

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@icemael said:

@video_game_king: Male and female are biological terms, but for all species with a sexual divide. Man and woman are the same but specific to humans. A transsexual is just a man who wants to be a woman or a woman who wants to be a man. Sometimes they undergo surgery which at best makes them something in between.

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@icemael: what the fuck are you even trying to say? I really don't get your post. All I know is the female male genitals thing isn't necessarily true. some nations are not requiring sterilization (that is to say SRS) before being legally recognized as the opposite gender; Sweden, Switzerland, Argentina...

And that is retarded. When the words "man" and "woman" can be applied to anyone as long as they feel like being called one or the other, they no longer mean anything.

Expand on this a little bit. Essentially just gay and lesbian then?

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@animasta said:

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@icemael:

We don't need new words. We don't even need to repurpose old words, at least not too much. Here's how it works (or at least how it could theoretically work):

  • Man and woman both refer to sex. You know, biological whatnots.
  • Male and female both refer to genders. Social projections and all that.

A simple solution to this terminology issue.

I think you might want to flip those. It would be difficult to explain how your cat had three man-kittens and four woman-kittens.

well, male and female are more descriptors than actual words. man and woman is fine, if you really need to clarify then just say transwoman, ciswoman etc.

language

Eh. But man and woman feel more like descriptors. If people are 'man enough' or acting 'womanly'. You don't see that language with male and female, which in comparison act as absolutes. I'm not doctor, but amirite

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@animasta said:

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@epicsteve: and then you might beat and kill her because of it!

WOOHOO

(also, protip, they'd still be a lady even if they didn't have a vagina)

Lady? But that title has certain responsibilites. Not every man (or identifying) is a gentleman!!!

yeah, but transwoman work harder to be the perfect woman, so obviously they are all ladies.

You win this round

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@animasta said:

@epicsteve: and then you might beat and kill her because of it!

WOOHOO

(also, protip, they'd still be a lady even if they didn't have a vagina)

Lady? But that title has certain responsibilites. Not every man (or identifying) is a gentleman!!!

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@turbyne: You're definitely a little less evolved, that's for sure.

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Are we all ready to accept that sexism in the video game industry is a myth? I yearn for the day we can wake up from this wayward dream

Now hold on. I fullheartedly believe there are instances of actual sexism in the video game industry (from a real people standpoint, not a fictional character standpoint), and that they are dealt with through HR and through mediation and through dismissal in a fair and just way. That doesn't mean there is no sexism, it means that sexism is not 'ingrained' or encouraged. Perhaps that was your point.

In a roundabout way, you're completely correct.

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#10  Edited By TheHumanDove

Are we all ready to accept that sexism in the video game industry is a myth? I yearn for the day we can wake up from this wayward dream