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Got through a lot of difficult times in my life thanks to GB. I'm gonna miss them a lot.

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#2  Edited By UlquioKani

I'm disappointed by the lack of a DmC 2. Hopefully Ninja Theory potentially getting a bigger budget might mean they follow up with some spiritual successor to it.

I'm still looking forward to 5 but not that excited.

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Never walked out of a theater and I tend to finish movies even if I'm not enjoying them. The only time I've stopped was when I was with someone else who wasn't enjoying the movie. I've had a few like this but the one that sticks out is Paprika which I was watching with my brother. I was not enjoying it but I probably could have watched to the end but my brother was having none of it (He was the one who suggested we watch it). The other major one was Greenberg (also suggested by my brother) which played out the exact same way.

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#4  Edited By UlquioKani

Your link does not go to the place you want it to. Also, it took me a minute to figure out what you meant by a casual.

As for the question, I would say you can start your dad on Mass Effect 1 as long as you give him plenty of warning. If you are in a position to play through the game with your dad, I would recommend it fully.

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@mostlysquares: David Cage isn't some indie dev making his first art game, he has a track record of games already. The scepticism towards his work isn't pulled out of thin air. Furthermore, the responses to the trailer have been more nuanced that you make them out to be.

On your point about silencing, if you think the pre-release criticism of these subjects will result in silencing, then it will have the same effect post release. If David Cage doesn't manage to come through and deliver properly on these subjects, will the end result not be the same?

I trust people to understand that the criticism is based on poor execution on the subject rather than inclusion of the subject. It's why I don't think silencing will happen. If publishers are not able to see the nuance in the arguments made pre-release, then there is no reason to believe they will see the nuance post-release.

The film 'Mississippi Burning' was criticized for poorly depicting racial issues (I personally like that movie but I can understand the points being made). This criticism didn't stop films about racial issues being made after the fact.

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@theht: I wasn't implying that you or I weren't having the conversation. If you look at my original reply, my problem was with people fighting arguments that weren't made. Not only in this thread, but in the other, very similar one.

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@theht said:
@ulquiokani said:

@mostlysquares: Glad to see you fighting an argument that wasn't made. No one in this thread (and as far as I can tell, anywhere else) has made the claim that these things shouldn't be in games. They are saying that, given David Cage's track record, he may not be the best at handling these subjects. If you look at @quid_pro_bono's response, you can see why people have a problem with it.

People, especially the people who have made complaints about this stuff, want discussions about domestic violence and other difficult subjects. But when you approach them, they should be given the same amount of scrutiny as any other aspect of a game.

It is dishonest to frame this criticism as an attempt to silence people who want to talk about domestic violence in games and either shows you've missed the point or are being willfully ignorant.

MostlySquares makes a fair point though. Why is it that a domestic abuse situation needs to be treated with the same level of seriousness of a drama. What's bad about a shallow encounter where a character saves a kid from a violent parent? Something without depth or nuance that's just the barebones observation that "yo hitting your kids is bad."

I guess you could call it trashy, or puerile, or even exploitation fiction, but is there no place for that sort of power fantasy drivel? Is it some kind of sin for that stuff to exist if it doesn't aspire to be on the level of "Oscar bait"? Sorta sounds like it.

I have no problem with shallow interpretations of real world problems in games. Heck, I think most attempts have been pretty shallow when it comes to games.

My problem is with people trying to frame conversations about these subjects as people overreacting. All I've seen so far are conversations about the trailers, not "outrage".

If these games come out and have poor depictions of real problems, then that's that.

But we should allow the conversation to happen, even if the game doesn't wish to go deep into these subjects, at least let us have the conversation about the shallow interpretation.

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@sasnake said:

I'm not anti P.C, It's just gotten to stupid levels of everything that ever happens needing to be picked apart with a fine tooth comb, and then people inserting that it was due to some agenda that fit's that persons needs. Not everything is done to appease some political standing. An interview after the games conference had the Naughty Dog dude saying they used that scene to show off their new tech, with the rain and the lighting and everything, and maybe that scene was one of the scenes that is fully finished (seeing as full production only started in August). But of course its not. To the internet world is OMG THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE TORTURE PORN I FEEL OFFENDED, WOMEN BEING BRUTALIZED, WHAT HAS THE WORLD BECOME?????.

People were discussing the trailer from a critical standpoint. How do you know that they are doing it because of a political agenda? Why is that not valid? What is wrong with critiquing something from one's own perspective?

If you are not interested in the conversation regarding the depictions of violence then don't engage with it but to imply that the conversation is happening for some ulterior motive or that the motives behind the discussion are selfish is ridiculous.

Actually try and engage with the discussion that is taking place rather than the one you've concocted for yourself. If you don't want to, don't. No one is forcing you.

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#9  Edited By UlquioKani

@mostlysquares: Glad to see you fighting an argument that wasn't made. No one in this thread (and as far as I can tell, anywhere else) has made the claim that these things shouldn't be in games. They are saying that, given David Cage's track record, he may not be the best at handling these subjects. If you look at @quid_pro_bono's response, you can see why people have a problem with it.

People, especially the people who have made complaints about this stuff, want discussions about domestic violence and other difficult subjects. But when you approach them, they should be given the same amount of scrutiny as any other aspect of a game.

It is dishonest to frame this criticism as an attempt to silence people who want to talk about domestic violence in games and either shows you've missed the point or are being willfully ignorant.

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I love most of Dan's personas but there is a depth and goodness to Regular Old Dan that his characters can't beat.