Red dead redemption is very well built game, ignoring the infrequent bugs and control issues, but I did not really enjoy it. I am so close to the end, but really have no urge to finish it.  I started to skip cut scenes near the end because I wanted it over with, and by the end I had come to hate John Marston. His character goes on a series of similar events with similar outcomes and people always betray him; he just never seems to learn from his past events or connect two situations together. I was really annoyed with his character, something that rarely happens to me, but I wanted Johns story over by the end. I left the game after Dutch dies and he goes back to his farm with his family. It is obvious that something bad will most likely happen, the game would not put you through some boring farming missions just to finish at a happy point. But I really don't care what happens anymore. The combat wasn't very enjoyable and the way the horse controls almost drove me crazy, and those stupid herding cow mini games drove me insane.  I was wondering if anyone else feels this way, I am just saying how I feel about this game not saying it is a bad game. It is a good game I don't like.  Also wondering if you have any games that are well made and good but you don't like.
Your sleepy friend 
Adam

Red dead redemption is very well built game, ignoring the infrequent bugs and control issues, but I did not really enjoy it. I am so close to the end, but really have no urge to finish it.  I started to skip cut scenes near the end because I wanted it over with, and by the end I had come to hate John Marston. His character goes on a series of similar events with similar outcomes and people always betray him; he just never seems to learn from his past events or connect two situations together. I was really annoyed with his character, something that rarely happens to me, but I wanted Johns story over by the end. I left the game after Dutch dies and he goes back to his farm with his family. It is obvious that something bad will most likely happen, the game would not put you through some boring farming missions just to finish at a happy point. But I really don't care what happens anymore. The combat wasn't very enjoyable and the way the horse controls almost drove me crazy, and those stupid herding cow mini games drove me insane.  I was wondering if anyone else feels this way, I am just saying how I feel about this game not saying it is a bad game. It is a good game I don't like.  Also wondering if you have any games that are well made and good but you don't like.
Your sleepy friend 
Adam

Maybe you are beyond the point of no return with RDR but you should finish it as it has the best ending of any video game ever.  I don't even really like RDR that much but the ending is easily my favorite part.  Finish it if you are close.

"Maybe you are beyond the point of no return with RDR but you should finish it as it has the best ending of any video game ever.  I don't even really like RDR that much but the ending is easily my favorite part.  Finish it if you are close. "

I'm pretty much the same way. I found his passive acceptance of everything that happens to him really frustrating, and I didn't like any of the characters except Bonnie. It also always felt like I was completing quest lines. In GTAIV they did a pretty good job with interweaving the plot, but as soon as I finished with a character in RDR I knew I would never have any meaningful interaction with them again so I never got too attached.
 
I still definitely enjoyed the game though, the atmosphere is fantastic and I like the gameplay. The story is the main thing that bugs me, but mostly because it seems like it has so much untapped potential.

I understand and appreciate the issues people may have taken with his reactions, but for me, I felt like every bullshit mission I accepted was a tortured man's way of saying "I hope I will make enough friends to protect my family from the enemies I've made".

Don't know what you are talking about, loved every second of the game.

I do agree with what you said about John being a pushover, but since he goes along with everything you learn it as part of his character (aka he is not as mean as he lets on).  It becomes a tragic flaw for him as the game goes on.  And the ending was one of the best endings in any game, so yeah, finish it.  Absolutely love the game.
 
 
@ProfessorEss said:

" I understand and appreciate the issues people may have taken with his reactions, but for me, I felt like every bullshit mission I accepted was a tortured man's way of saying "I hope I will make enough friends to protect my family from the enemies I've made". "

The game did drag at the end, but overall I still enjoyed it. As for the horse controls, I thought they were awesome. Maybe that's whey I didn't mind the herding missions. Of all the herding missions, I think I lost only one cow.

Yeah the farm shit at the end made me want to shoot myself....and I wasn't even playing!

" Yeah the farm shit at the end made me want to shoot myself....and I wasn't even playing! "

"  As for the horse controls, I thought they were awesome. Maybe that's whey I didn't mind the herding missions. Of all the herding missions, I think I lost only one cow. "

As for the horse controls, I thought they were awesome.

If you didn't get the point of the (trivial) farm missions, you probably don't like where Rockstar will continue to take video games. It's about immersion, pacing, etc.

" Maybe you are beyond the point of no return with RDR but you should finish it as it has the best ending of any video game ever.  I don't even really like RDR that much but the ending is easily my favorite part.  Finish it if you are close. "

i feel this way about pretty much all rockstar games, i havnt liked GTA since it went 3d, something about the way they do things just bores me, Red Deads story kept me interested for all of about 40 minutes, then i spent many hours fucking around with the minigames, i went back to the story, get to mexico, the transistion to which i thought was absolutely beautiful. but then i lose interest again shortly after 
 
i think its got something to do with the formulaic approach they have to the story missions in these games,  
 
Ride/Drive to the letter on the minimap --> get a short cut scene --> do crappy mission --> get a slightly longer cut scene --> rinse and repeat 
 
at a certain point it just starts to feel really gamey to me and i see right through it to the point all the excelent characters and cinematography just get lost in a sea of mediocrity, 

I wouldn't say I hated it, I loved the setting of the game and parts of the story.. But yeah, much of it before then is very plodding.  Like you said, he constantly gets betrayed, and pushed into doing stupid tasks for people who could easily slap around, let alone if he stuck a gun in their face.  It all seemed rather odd, Clint Eastwood would never have been seen doing half of the crap Marston did and by Mexico I did feel somewhat disconnected from the story because I just couldn't take it seriously.  But things really do step up once you get to Blackwater.  The events are more intense and there's actually a reason there for him to be doing what he's doing, and not just being conned into things. 
 
It's why I felt it shouldn't be on my GoTY list, but I'd definitely recommend continuing until the end.

" i feel this way about pretty much all rockstar games, i havnt liked GTA since it went 3d, something about the way they do things just bores me, Red Deads story kept me interested for all of about 40 minutes, then i spent many hours fucking around with the minigames, i went back to the story, get to mexico, the transistion to which i thought was absolutely beautiful. but then i lose interest again shortly after  i think its got something to do with the formulaic approach they have to the story missions in these games,   Ride/Drive to the letter on the minimap --> get a short cut scene --> do crappy mission --> get a slightly longer cut scene --> rinse and repeat  at a certain point it just starts to feel really gamey to me and i see right through it to the point all the excelent characters and cinematography just get lost in a sea of mediocrity,  "

" I wouldn't say I hated it, I loved the setting of the game and parts of the story.. But yeah, much of it before then is very plodding.  Like you said, he constantly gets betrayed, and pushed into doing stupid tasks for people who could easily slap around, let alone if he stuck a gun in their face.  It all seemed rather odd, Clint Eastwood would never have been seen doing half of the crap Marston did and by Mexico I did feel somewhat disconnected from the story because I just couldn't take it seriously.  But things really do step up once you get to Blackwater.  The events are more intense and there's actually a reason there for him to be doing what he's doing, and not just being conned into things.  It's why I felt it shouldn't be on my GoTY list, but I'd definitely recommend continuing until the end. "

" @Eristocrat said:

" Maybe you are beyond the point of no return with RDR but you should finish it as it has the best ending of any video game ever.  I don't even really like RDR that much but the ending is easily my favorite part.  Finish it if you are close. "

I liked the game. But I hated the ending. "

Hope you at least thought that it was worth your time.

" @StingerMK2 said:

"i think its got something to do with the formulaic approach they have to the story missions in these games,   Ride/Drive to the letter on the minimap --> get a short cut scene --> do crappy mission --> get a slightly longer cut scene --> rinse and repeat  at a certain point it just starts to feel really gamey to me and i see right through it to the point all the excelent characters and cinematography just get lost in a sea of mediocrity,  "

Agreed completely on their archaic mission structure. GTA IV at least attempted to weave all of the different quest givers' plots together in some form or another. A major problem of RDR is that Rockstar likes to treat characters as expendable. They create these characters that sometimes really hit the player and they like having the character around, only for their story to be over a few missions later and BOOM, totally forgotten.  Bonnie and the Marshal are great characters, ones that I think Marston would've returned to if not for aid then just to see what's what later in the game. Never happens until Bonnie's corn gets messed up. Even then it's just a short "Hey need some help okay laterz". I don't know if it's a lack of talent or a desire to stick to the GTA 3 formula, but it's gotta end. Seriously. They invented the modern open world game, now it's time they freshen up the design. "

I can understand the objections on a mechanical level, but the narrative, particularly characterisation and thematic depth, as well as the presentation, were absurdly good. You'd skip the cutscenes in that game? Anyway, if you want great cover-based combat and fluid movement there's always Vanquish.

I really didn't like the Mexico story missions because I was being forced to work for two dirt bags and couldn't do anything about it. At least in GTA 4, there were moments where I could decide to kill off characters I didn't like aka Playboy X and it shape the story to end differently. I know it would take a lot of resources to make the story as open ended as Fallout or Mass Effect but going from those games to one where I have no agency at all just rubs me the wrong way. 

" Red dead redemption is very well built game, ignoring the infrequent bugs and control issues, but I did not really enjoy it. I am so close to the end, but really have no urge to finish it.  I started to skip cut scenes near the end because I wanted it over with, and by the end I had come to hate John Marston. His character goes on a series of similar events with similar outcomes and people always betray him; he just never seems to learn from his past events or connect two situations together. I was really annoyed with his character, something that rarely happens to me, but I wanted Johns story over by the end. I left the game after Dutch dies and he goes back to his farm with his family. It is obvious that something bad will most likely happen, the game would not put you through some boring farming missions just to finish at a happy point. But I really don't care what happens anymore. The combat wasn't very enjoyable and the way the horse controls almost drove me crazy, and those stupid herding cow mini games drove me insane.  I was wondering if anyone else feels this way, I am just saying how I feel about this game not saying it is a bad game. It is a good game I don't like.  Also wondering if you have any games that are well made and good but you don't like.Your sleepy friend Adam "

i avoid rockstar games in general, their games begin with the premise that you like the main character.  
so if you don't you most likely won't like the game because it forces you to be that character.  
 
much prefer bioware's or bethseda's attitude where you are shaping the story.

" The game did drag at the end, but overall I still enjoyed it. As for the horse controls, I thought they were awesome. Maybe that's whey I didn't mind the herding missions. Of all the herding missions, I think I lost only one cow. "

"I really didn't like the Mexico story missions because I was being forced to work for two dirt bags and couldn't do anything about it. At least in GTA 4, there were moments where I could decide to kill off characters I didn't like aka Playboy X and it shape the story to end differently. I know it would take a lot of resources to make the story as open ended as Fallout or Mass Effect but going from those games to one where I have no agency at all just rubs me the wrong way.  "

If the game didn't have everything recharge for you, it would've been a lot better.

" @Raulito said:

"I really didn't like the Mexico story missions because I was being forced to work for two dirt bags and couldn't do anything about it. At least in GTA 4, there were moments where I could decide to kill off characters I didn't like aka Playboy X and it shape the story to end differently. I know it would take a lot of resources to make the story as open ended as Fallout or Mass Effect but going from those games to one where I have no agency at all just rubs me the wrong way.  "

The Mexican dirtbags were probably my least favourite part of the game. Not because it was bad, but because it didn't end in a satisfying manner. I remember Brad saying on the bombcast that everyone gets what they deserve, but all the while I was in Mexico, I wanted to ice that revolutionary guy for the way he was treating that girl that was in love with him. When I was finished, he was still alive and she was dead. I appreciate the risks that they took with the story, but that was the only one I didn't like at all. "

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud: I was hoping for something like that. I bought it because it was on sale and was worried that it would be more of the same. Thanks for the heads up. "

hmmm strange - thought Mexico dragged significantly more than any other part of the game

I think Red Dead is one of those games you either "get" or you don't.  Everything in that game was crafted for a very specific reason and to make the experiance just the way Rockstar wanted it.  For example, the farm missions were INTENTIONALLY slow paced and mundane, it was done to stick out in contrast to what had happened before, and what is about to come in the climax.  Also, John is 100x better then Niko as a character hahaha.  I had so much trouble having pathos for Niko when he was acting as a hit man because he "needed the money" even though he had already successfully robbed a bank and was living in a penthouse suite by that stage of the game.