Capcom: Used Games 'Not a Factor' in Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D Lacking Data Reset

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Posted by patrickklepek (6436 posts) -
Capcom says the lack of data reset isn't driven by used game sales, but it's hard to believe them.
Capcom says the lack of data reset isn't driven by used game sales, but it's hard to believe them.

Say you spend a dozen hours with Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D and hand the cartridge to your buddy, who decides he'd like to start from square one. Delete the data, move on, play. Logical.

Except...

That option's not included in Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D. There's a line in the manual that makes this abundantly clear:

"Note: Saved data on this software cannot be reset."

The narrative that's been building amongst fans is how this represents a move on Capcom's part to push back on used game sales. If you want to have your "own" progress in Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D, you need to buck up and purchase a brand-new copy of the game at $39.99.

As Tiny Cartridge points out, some Japanese shops are reportedly selling used copies of the game for very low prices because the data can't be reset, lowering the incentive for users to sell.

Capcom's issued a statement to me disputing this, however.

"Secondhand game sales were not a factor in this development decision," said the company, "so we hope that all our consumers will be able to enjoy the entirety of the survival-action experiences that the game does offer."

If used games aren't the issue, what is? Is there a technical reason that's preventing them from including data reset? That part's not totally clear, but here's what Capcom said.

"In Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D, all mission progress is saved directly to the Nintendo 3DS cartridge, where it cannot be reset," said the company. "The nature of the game invites high levels of replayability in order to improve mission scores. In addition, this feature does not remove any content available for users."

I've followed-up with Capcom and will let you know what I hear back.

Regardless, if personalized progress is important, a used copy is out of the question for now.

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#1 Posted by patrickklepek (6436 posts) -
Capcom says the lack of data reset isn't driven by used game sales, but it's hard to believe them.
Capcom says the lack of data reset isn't driven by used game sales, but it's hard to believe them.

Say you spend a dozen hours with Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D and hand the cartridge to your buddy, who decides he'd like to start from square one. Delete the data, move on, play. Logical.

Except...

That option's not included in Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D. There's a line in the manual that makes this abundantly clear:

"Note: Saved data on this software cannot be reset."

The narrative that's been building amongst fans is how this represents a move on Capcom's part to push back on used game sales. If you want to have your "own" progress in Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D, you need to buck up and purchase a brand-new copy of the game at $39.99.

As Tiny Cartridge points out, some Japanese shops are reportedly selling used copies of the game for very low prices because the data can't be reset, lowering the incentive for users to sell.

Capcom's issued a statement to me disputing this, however.

"Secondhand game sales were not a factor in this development decision," said the company, "so we hope that all our consumers will be able to enjoy the entirety of the survival-action experiences that the game does offer."

If used games aren't the issue, what is? Is there a technical reason that's preventing them from including data reset? That part's not totally clear, but here's what Capcom said.

"In Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D, all mission progress is saved directly to the Nintendo 3DS cartridge, where it cannot be reset," said the company. "The nature of the game invites high levels of replayability in order to improve mission scores. In addition, this feature does not remove any content available for users."

I've followed-up with Capcom and will let you know what I hear back.

Regardless, if personalized progress is important, a used copy is out of the question for now.

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#2 Posted by thegrue72 (17 posts) -

Somehow Ocarina of Time allows you to delete saves, even though it saves them directly to the cart. Must be Nintendo magic.

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#3 Posted by gla55jAw (2776 posts) -

That's some BS if I ever heard it.

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#4 Edited by MisterMouse (3602 posts) -
@Matthew: how is this relevant to the story? (saw the edit after)
 
and I feel like that sucks for the user. Because every so often when I am playing a game I just want to start completely from fresh with nothing else saved and go through it all again.
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#5 Posted by Matthew (2151 posts) -

@pyromaster222: My brain travels. I made the page concerning New Purchase Incentives, so I've already thought a bit about this topic, then I moved to the subject of 3D.

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#6 Posted by CrescentFresh (128 posts) -

So they've been able to erase saves on cartridges for years and now suddenly they can't? That's total BS.

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#7 Posted by MisterMouse (3602 posts) -
@Matthew: Yeah I saw your edit after I had posted my comment. so its all good.
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#8 Posted by Cmdc00kie (45 posts) -

Either A.) they are lying or B.) Nintendo goofed up in a key part of the design in the 3ds.

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#9 Posted by YetiAntics (1520 posts) -

If this game is a glorified Mercinaries mode, Why would save games matter? Shouldn't it be like a "ha! beat that!" score game?

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#10 Posted by boylie (321 posts) -

Well that....... is odd. If not to curb used game sales, then why the hell include such a strange feature. Leaving that decision up to the players seems to have worked fine up until now...

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#11 Posted by xchaos12 (8 posts) -

To be honest, I wasn't going to buy the game in the first place, but now I'm REALLY not going to buy it.

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#12 Posted by DriveupLife (1173 posts) -

Used game sales were not a factor at all? That's fucking horseshit.

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#13 Posted by MassiveDuck (163 posts) -

What a crock of shit. I don't understand why something like this would even exist or happen. I don't have a 3DS and never buy used games, but how is this beneficial to ANY consumer. What if i wanted to start over and "prestige"?

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#14 Posted by avidwriter (704 posts) -

How can they say that used game sales were not a factor with a straight face. Of course that was the reason and only reason. You know, this (as far as i know) has never been done before, and it's really stupid. So obviously it was to hurt used copies of the game. They don't even  have the balls to tell the truth.

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#15 Posted by ChrisTaran (2038 posts) -

I know I like to start from the beginning of a game after I've beaten it at times. So this potentially hurts all consumers, not just those of used copies.

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#16 Posted by Juno500 (497 posts) -

I don't really see what the big problem is, this game doesn't have a campaign mode or anything. The point of the game is to play the stages and get high scores, just like the Mercenaries mode in RE4 and 5. All deleting data would really do is reset the high scores. Not that the option shouldn't be there, but I don't see how this ruins the game.

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#17 Posted by Vigil80 (471 posts) -

This is filthy, and Capcom are liars.

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#18 Posted by OllyOxenFree (5015 posts) -

All I see is shit coming out of their mouths. A whole lot of it.

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#19 Posted by RE_Player1 (8010 posts) -

@Matthew: Right on dude. Vita is going to be different though... right? I already put $200 down so please tell me it will be different...

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#20 Posted by Levio (1953 posts) -

If they wanted to limited used sales, they should have just sold it digitally...

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#21 Posted by Matthew (2151 posts) -

@RE_Player92: Dude, if nothing else, it will be worth it just for the touchpad alone. I like touching the games to manipulate and such, but it sucks having your fingers take up valuable screen real estate. Having the same ability, but to make it so you don't cover up any of the action happening? Yes please.

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#22 Posted by TwilitEnd656 (610 posts) -

That seems... Silly. Hell, it almost sounds like there's some problem with the 3DS and this is just their way of covering. But maybe that's just what it sounds like to me because of how ridiculous the idea is.

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#23 Posted by Napalm (9230 posts) -

Hey, guess who still doesn't care about the 3DS or anything related to it? ME!

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#24 Edited by iDarktread (1263 posts) -

I thought it was a cool idea to deter used game sales until I read that "secondhand game sales were not a factor in this development decision," which made me sad. 
 
I'd rather have to deal with an un-earesable save file than a fucking $15 downloadable unlock code. This might make me buy new, whereas a $15 code makes me not care in the slightest.

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#25 Posted by The_Painted (183 posts) -

Not that I agree with what Capcom is doing, but... This isn't really a big deal. Buy it used, start from the first mission. Does it really matter if it has someone else progress? No. Now, if they weren't letting people play through the game more than once or replay missions or something, THEN this would be a problem. Is it a dick move on their part? Yes, but it's not the end of the world.

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#26 Posted by Aus_azn (2272 posts) -

So, basically, this is absolutely pointless. I am definitely calling bullshit on this statement of theirs.
 
Congratulations, Capcom, you just landed in the pile of steaming dung that are bad publishers in my books. Lying to consumers is never a good marketing tactic.

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#27 Posted by Shabs (905 posts) -

They couldn't just do 3 save slots? Really?

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#28 Posted by FightMeNerd (669 posts) -

So how is there progress in RE:TM? Everytime I hear or see it I see missions and such but it all seems like score based gameplay. Is there some sort of leveling up or upgrade mechanic in the game?

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#29 Posted by ChernobylCow (259 posts) -

All controversy aside, I bet some dumbass just forgot to finalize the option to delete data.  In order to reset cartridges on the DS the user practically has to complete a mystical act of Nintendo shamanism.  First scour the text of the manual for proper procedure because you can never remember, contort your digits into inhumane finger pretzels to press the proper buttons, and hope it works?  Why so crazy...

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#30 Posted by BD_Mr_Bubbles (1841 posts) -

@gla55jAw said:

That's some BS if I ever heard it.

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#31 Posted by Deusoma (3222 posts) -
@BadNews said:

So how is there progress in RE:TM? Everytime I hear or see it I see missions and such but it all seems like score based gameplay. Is there some sort of leveling up or upgrade mechanic in the game?

If it's like the versions of The Mercenaries from RE 4 and 5, you'll be unlocking new characters and levels as you get high scores in different levels and as different characters. Other than that, I'm not sure.
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#32 Posted by Ockman (227 posts) -

I'm really starting to hate Capcom. Their practices are horse shit, and you don't increase sales by pissing off consumers. You're not gonna stop used sales by doing this kind of crap. The average consumer I deal with at work does not even know that publishers do this stuff, if they're set on buying a used copy, they'll buy a used copy! It's all about what a person can afford.

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#33 Posted by Kyreo (4682 posts) -

Games have been doing this for a while. Granted, they didn't have these malicious purposes but games like Advance Wars only ever let you make one player profile.

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#34 Posted by MikeOfAllTrades (32 posts) -

@RE_Player92:

Why on Planet Earth would you do that? Don't you want that $200 until you're, y'know, ready to spend it? The government is the only entity you have to give free loans to. Christ, there will be plenty of Vitas to go around if you're so worried. Gamestop doesn't deserve such luxury.

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#35 Posted by 234r2we232 (3175 posts) -

OH MY GOD I AM SO ANGRY INNTERNET RAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. And rest.
 
Good to see that Giant Bomb media doesn't sensationalise like everywhere else. Effing journalists NEED TO GO HOME AHHHH I'M RAGING AGAIN RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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#36 Posted by geirr (3309 posts) -

I'm reminded of the famous line "You vote with your money."

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#37 Posted by crusader8463 (14757 posts) -

Silly Capcom. Trix are for prostitutes.

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#38 Posted by damnboyadvance (4183 posts) -

I will never buy that game, just because of this feature.

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#39 Posted by Marokai (3577 posts) -

Sure, Capcom. Sure.

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#40 Posted by Palaeomerus (379 posts) -

This sucks. Because of this I am not going to  purchase either "Dead Rising 2 :Oh look! Now frank west is in in HURRR" or Resident Evil Raccoon City. 

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#41 Posted by recroulette (5447 posts) -

Oh god, no data erase? Fuck this game.

Actually, I'm having a shit ton of fun with this right now (Capcom Store had it here today)

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#42 Posted by Asadasa5 (88 posts) -

@Juno500: Exactly. This effects absolutely nothing.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-57d3a53d23027 (1460 posts) -

What's so great about local highscores now that we have online leaderboards?

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#44 Posted by RE_Player1 (8010 posts) -
@MikeOfAllTrades I came into a large sum of money, I rather not discuss how, so I thought I would pre-order it. I want to get it day 1 and I want to make sure I have enough money, if I did not put money on it now I could see myself being broke by the time it launches.
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#45 Posted by Toad_King (4 posts) -

I find the outrage over this pretty silly. Mercernaries 3D is a arcade-y time-attack game, where it expects you to replay stages over and over to try to improve on your score. The only things that you can miss out on in a fully "beaten" cartridge is the actual unlocking event for all the unlockables. Why would anybody want to reset that? It's pretty much the equivalent in resetting your Smash Bros data to unlock everything again. I just don't see any reason to do so. The fun isn't in unlocking stuff; it's in beating your best score.

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#46 Posted by ELpork (441 posts) -

If not an attempt to make a dent in used game sales, what is it? Honestly, this is pure silly... Not really making want to splurge and buy a 3DS, MORE so sense there is no Animal Cross or Super smash bros out... I think Devs just need to realize that the used market and piracy are here to stay, and just try to cater to the fans,

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#47 Posted by liquidsol (111 posts) -

This is... pretty disgusting. Especially coming from a company that thrives from re-releasing the same three games over, and over, and over.  Can't buy SFIV used? How about Super SSFIV, but wait... that's used too and no longer available new. You have no choice but to buy SFIV arcade. 
 
I know I'm jumping to conclusions here, but at the very least, this is a very dubious developmental decision. At the very least I should be able to erase my own data and re-play again for fun. I did it with Red Dead Redemption and Uncharted 2 (even after getting the plat for UC2.) It happens.

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#48 Posted by Xpgamer7 (2477 posts) -

It sounds like a used games dispute, but if all that saves is mission times then I could see why they might make this choice. Still it's a stupid decision to take out a key feature of modern gaming.

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#49 Posted by Skooky (484 posts) -

Oh no! This is the end of the world. It's time for a bunch of people who have no interest in the game complain about this.

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#50 Posted by xchaos12 (8 posts) -

We just have to hope this isn't a sign of what's to come.

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