Personally I like Persona 4's story better, but the characters in P3 are superior. Junpei alone would kick Yosuke's derriere.
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
Game » consists of 5 releases. Released Jul 10, 2008
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 is a role-playing game developed and published by Atlus for the PlayStation 2. It is chronologically the fifth installment in the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series. Like its predecessor, its gameplay combines a traditional role-playing game with elements of a social simulation. Its critical and commercial success spawned a sizable media empire, including several spinoff titles.
Persona 3 or Persona 4: which is bettter?
Can't they both be great in their own way? Does one really have to be better than the other?
Seriously though, I hate the AI in P3. It is so freaking dumb sometimes. Other than that, I appreciate both games equally.
P3 had a different atmosphere which I guess I liked more, and the social links seemed more deep, or at least one did.
I'd say P4 is the better game though, they just improved everything overall.
I prefer Persona 3's story and characters more, but Persona 4's more upbeat and funnier which is probably why it got an anime and the best that P3 got was a cameo by Akihiko in Trinity Soul.
For a while I would have said Persona 3 simply because it did the P3/P4 formula first, but I came to realize that Persona 4 is pretty much superior in every possible way. Except for a serious lack of people shooting themselves in the head, that is.
I'm really surprised at the amount of people praising P3 for it's story and characters. I mean, I love the story and characters too, but I don't think they hold a candle 4. Oh wells.
I much prefer the setting and more specifically the tone of Persona 4. Really enjoy the story and the characters and world. Much prefer the music. Plus having the multiple dungeons is great.
@Kyle: Same here. P3 was one of my favorite games when I first played it but now that I've replayed a fair bit of FES after a few years it feels really goofy.
Some social link events take less than a minute to unfold and feel unnatural, not to say 4 always does it better. 'You sense his/her trust. Your relationship is stronger now!'.
The pacing is real bad sometimes, a full week of sports practice in the middle of summer vacation and it unfolds day by day, just so you can have a new SL with some dude etc.
The story goes off the chain in both but 4 keeps it together longer yada yada.. Just my two cents, I'm still going to play through FES.
I definitely think Persona 4 is better in almost every way (especially the combat) but there are some aspects of Persona 3 I liked better.
I think 4 is a lot better. Narrative as well. P3 lacked focus and had shoddy(ier?)pacing.
@Kyle said:
I'm really surprised at the amount of people praising P3 for it's story and characters. I mean, I love the story and characters too, but I don't think they hold a candle 4. Oh wells.
P3 came first. That has to count for something, right?
@LordXavierBritish
said:god that was so creepy.Persona 3 Portable has a grade school kid as a romance option. Just saying.
Yeah P3 has the best story and characters and I imagine P3 portable with P4's mechanics just kicks assExcept P3 Portable sucks because the presentation, one of the nice parts of P3 and P4, takes a huge hit.
I preferred P3 FES to Persona 4 mainly because of the game's story and awesome ending.
And you could have just bumped this thread.
I very much prefer the story, setting and characters of Persona 3. Most of the characters in Persona 4 annoyed the hell out of me, but otherwise it's a great game.
Persona 3.
Also, this:
@FluxWaveZ said:
P3 Portable sucks because the presentation, one of the nice parts of P3 and P4, takes a huge hit.
Yeah P3 has the best story and characters and I imagine P3 portable with P4's mechanics just kicks assMissed this.
Nah, it doesn't. Its a very well made port, and you can't expect much more out of them, but they crammed P4's battle-system in a game designed around P3's battle-system.
As a result, combat is ridiculously unbalanced and mind-numbingly easy.
Yup, and considering one of the early quest awards is fucking ten homunculi it's almost difficult to die on even the harder difficulty settings.As a result, combat is ridiculously unbalanced and mind-numbingly easy.
While I personally prefer P3, there's no denying that P4 was a mechanically superior game. As it should be, considering the ridiculous way P3 seemed to section off your party members from the player, amongst other bizarre interface issues that warranted fixing in it's inevitable sequel.
But fuck the Answer. Godamnit that was so hamfisted and bad.
hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
Persona 3 for Story and Music. I also liked the use of animated cutscenes a lot more.
Persona 4 for Characters and pacing (plus the laid back sections like the school trips were more enjoyable)
I didn't mind Persona 3's gameplay in terms of not being able to control your party, and the fusion spells were cool. I'd still pick P3FES over P3P because animated cutscenes, and character models in all the other cutscenes.
Overall though, Persona 4.
I love the fact that Soejima Shigenori himself admitted that he didn't want to design Aigis because she "felt out of place". In the P3 Artbook.@mutha3 said:
I think 4 is a lot better. Narrative as well. P3 lacked focus and had shoddy(ier?)pacing.
Also, Ken and Koromaru are garbage characters, and Aigis completely sucked until the end,A
Soejima knows what's up.
@Soren
said:aw shit dog, that's my jam@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason
@mutha3 said:
@Soren
said:aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
Ahahahahahahahaha!
Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.
I played the shit out of P4, beat it multiple times, then picked up P3:FES. I found it kind of tough to get into, and when they introduced the robot girl I just gave up on it.
@iAmJohn said:
@mutha3 said:
@Soren
said:aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
Ahahahahahahahaha!
Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.
If they made a The Answer type thing for Persona 4 I would cry. I can see it now, Charlie (yes Charlie) comes back a year later to find out Nanako is missing and has to go back into the TV. When he finally reaches Nanako she reveals she is actually his sister!!!! And a robot!!!! And she must die!!!!
Persona 3 Portable has a grade school kid as a romance option. Just saying.Dude. What?!?!
@RE_Player92 said:
@iAmJohn said:
@mutha3 said:
@Soren
said:aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
Ahahahahahahahaha!
Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.
If they made a The Answer type thing for Persona 4 I would cry. I can see it now, Charlie (yes Charlie) comes back a year later to find out Nanako is missing and has to go back into the TV. When he finally reaches Nanako she reveals she is actually his sister!!!! And a robot!!!! And she must die!!!!
In the end, you find out that Nanako was just a repressed part of your personality made manifest under the duress of having to live with your alcoholic uncle. It was all a dream. Chie wasn't real either.
@iAmJohn said:
@RE_Player92 said:
@iAmJohn said:
@mutha3 said:
@Soren
said:aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
Ahahahahahahahaha!
Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.
If they made a The Answer type thing for Persona 4 I would cry. I can see it now, Charlie (yes Charlie) comes back a year later to find out Nanako is missing and has to go back into the TV. When he finally reaches Nanako she reveals she is actually his sister!!!! And a robot!!!! And she must die!!!!
In the end, you find out that Nanako was just a repressed part of your personality made manifest under the duress of having to live with your alcoholic uncle. It was all a dream. Chie wasn't real either.
But at one point didn't you dream about you and Chie wrestling together? So was that a dream inside of a dream???....
This sounds retarded but not as retarded as The Answer. Fuck that was so bad. I wish it was wiped from my brain because remembering it actually detracts from my enjoyment of the original story.
Persona 3 is dearer to my heart, being the SMT game that really got me into the series (I'd played other titles lightly, but this one really sucked me in). Ergo, I prefer it. Looking at them as objectively as possible, I think the fourth game is stronger. You can control the entire party, which... well, in my opinion, should be required in turn-based RPGs that play like Persona. The dungeons, despite both titles having randomly generated dungeons, are better in four, having more personality. 3 has Tartarus, 4 has a video game, a laboratory, a castle... and many others. Both bost great social link based gameplay, memorable characters, and crazy Japanese storylines. The one thing 3 does MUCH better, and this is kind of trivial, are the types of damage you can inflict. They removed piercing and slashing! I like those! It gave the basic physical attacks... more! It doesn't mean anything to me, but the third game was also longer than the fourth (well, when I played, anyways).
So, Persona 4 may just be an overall better title, having made improvements where it counted, but I prefer 3.
P3 is better, and here's why:
First of all, the pacing and flow of P3 was overall more consistent and felt less stop-and-go. P4 bunched up all your dungeon crawling days in 2 week periods, whereas P3 allowed you to spread it out over a month. P3 also didn't have those long gaps between completing a major section and being able to move onto the next one. In P4, once you rescued a victim, you had to wait a while before the next dungeon opened up. But in P3, once you finish the full moon event, you usually get access to the next section of Tartarus almost immediately.
Persona 3 also gave you more freedom in deciding when you wanted to dungeon crawl. The fact that rainy days have so much less to do in P4 effectively makes your decision for you in terms of when you decide to go in. It also forces you to spend more time exploring in each day because you need to make the most out of each day that you can. In P3, I felt better able to leave Tartarus earlier than normal if I got a little bored of exploring because it wasn't as imperative that I make the most out of the day as I can.
Persona 4 was also way too wordy, especially in the introduction. Although the dialogue itself in P4 was good, there was way too much of it, and it was redundant and felt unneccessary. I mean, it takes 2 and a half hours before the game really opens up and you have any real control over it. P3's intro was longer than it needed to be, but it wasn't nearly as close as that.
Persona 4 also has a strange difficulty curve. Yukiko's castle is the hardest section of the game, and yet it's the first dungeon of eight. And even after that there's still no consistency. The second dungeon is easier than the first, the third is much easier than that, but then it jumps up for the 4th, drops again for the 5th, goes up for the 6th, and then drops below that for the 7th and 8th. Overall it didn't feel like they did as good a job balancing the difficulty. P3 overall had a much more consistent difficulty level.
I also thought that they gave way too much health to the bosses in P4. The fights in P4 are long but not especially hard, making the biggest risk of failure coming from running out of SP. They just felt like big damage sponges. They aren't especially threating in terms of how much damage they do to you, but at the same time they have so much health that it takes forever to kill them. This results in the fights getting boring towards the end of them. The only exception I'd point out is Shadow Yukiko and maybe Shadow Mitsuo. P3 did bosses much better- they had a high damage output but only moderate HP, meaning that they were threatening but didn't take forever to kill. Granted, Nyx took longer than it needed to, but most of them didn't take forever.
The dungeon design was also better in P3. I'm not talking about the aesthetics, such as the art style or music. I'm talking about the actual layout that you have to navigate. P3's floors were smaller and more compact, and it made navigating them relatively simple and quick. P4 gave you these big floors that felt like rat mazes, and it felt like so much time was spent just getting from one end to another. Plus being able to send out the party members in P3 made things go even quicker.
To be clear I really love both games a lot, but whereas P4 is towards the bottom of my top 10 RPGs of all time, P3 would be number 1, easily.
(Copy + pasted from another forum where I got in a similar argument since I didn't want to rewrite all of this again)
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