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Giant Bombcast 598: The Tank, the Healer, and the Damage-Dealer

Noclip's Danny O'Dwyer lands in the studio on his way to PAX to get deep into Control, Outer Wilds, and Creature in the Well, ponder Tom Holland's age-appropriateness, speculate about new-console launch lineups, and discuss at length the noble cockroach.

The Giant Bombcast is the world's most beloved video game podcast, and now it's available in video form.

Aug. 27 2019

Posted by: Brad

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garwalk • 

"Citizen Game" was definitely better title material. Maybe they don't wanna mess with the SEO.

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Welcome back to the Bay area Danny, and here's to many more GB collaborations.

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Warihay • 

Just here to echo Danny, Outer Wilds GOTY

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That plane, it looks like a dolphin.

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Oh, didn't know Danny had a Daniel Jr/Daniela. Nice!

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ez123 • 

Quantum Break had powers where you could be more in the mix during combat. It was also not "Call of Duty style." The game had a damn bubble shield and people are still acting like the cover was mandatory.

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Gamestop imploding is not the death of retail, and online purchases are not necessarily digital.

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Also (1) - You don't need homophobic crap in your game "cause it's 90's!!!" or because media a few decades ago use to have it in spades (not necessarily in obvious ways). Also, listening to people in your chat and taking their word for something they clearly don't know about and saying stupid things is beyond stupid and PR-nightmare inviting.

Also (2) - After the about-face, I am not buying anything from this dev or pub every again - and I am part of the target market.

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Edited By MookalHoys • 

The Seattle gaming store mentioned is Pink Gorilla. They have lots of more obscure and import titles and the owners are part of a fairly large local gaming community, with channels on YouTube. Also lots of import toys and plushies etc. Worth a stop for any fan.

Two locations, both reachable in about 15 minutes cab from the downtown convention center.

http://www.pinkgorillagames.com/ (site is bare bones)

A tour of one of the locations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltV6FluLR60

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BINARYGOD • 

BTW - Tayler K, according IMDB, is still acting in things - mostly TV it seems (probably a better option, less risk, and if your tv show is successful enough, years of 6-7 figures paychecks).

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For big companies, the cool thing about settling a case is that no ruling is given on the crime they were charged for, allowing the companies to take the official stance that they are innocent, despite the fact that they are paying the plaintiff(s). They can say they wanted to avoid the cost of a drawn-out lawsuit, they didn't want to put undue stress on any participant in the suit, they wanted this over quickly, etc. etc. but one of the biggest boons is simply not being found guilty, which to them also means they can't be seen as guilty in the public eye. Statements refuting the charges after the settlement, crass as they are, are pretty typical, and are part of the purpose of settling.

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How were both Alex and Ben stumped by the light switch in control? It literally has a sign next to it that says "The law of 3 applies".

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Here's to more Danny at the desk in the future! (Hopefully)

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Okay since this keeps coming up, if you see unsanitary conditions like cockroaches in a food establishment you absolutely must call the health department and report that shit. Do not let other innocent people suffer just to save face for a shitty restaurant manager.

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Edited By Spwn • 

@benpack The way Ahti the janitor talks is a bit of a Finnish inside joke. He just pronounces words like a Finn would without having learned pronunciation and it's very common way of speaking English for the older generations who learned the language from books. Finns call it "rally English", because the most common occurrence for it are WRC interviews: https://youtu.be/eS0sT9P4ZQg

Ahti's weird metaphors are word to word translations of Finnish idioms. Understanding his gibberish is easy peasy for a Finn. :)

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steveurkel • 

Where has the tweet deck gone? For a few days it was only showing old posts and now it is gone and it is the only time I ever use twitter is reading those tweets so I dont know if theyve tweeted about it.

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I love Brads face when he tortures the others at 1:44:47 :D

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Avioto • 

I think the hate the Ion Fury dev is getting is way overblown, but the way they are handling it is incredibly stupid. I bought it before their meltdown, and now I keep going back and forth about refunding it. What would you guys do?

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@avioto: Up to you man. I wouldn't blame you if you kept the game and played it if you thought it looked fine. Me, personally, I would probably refund it because I'm just tired of shit like this and it's a tiny way of sending a signal. But the world is vexing enough without people getting on other people's cases about which video games they like to play, so play what you want.

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Edited By BonelessSpirit • 

Wow, the Ion Fury devs really are making another old school Build engine shooter, down to the lame offensive jokes that wouldn't even play in the fucking 90s unless you’re 13. Very true to form.

Shame because the game is fun. Same way Shadow Warrior is fun to play but leaves you with a bitter taste for some reason...

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Huh, hearing Ben mention there being actual rumors about Tracer in Smash is pretty funny, as my brother and I have been joking about Diablo being DLC for a while, and after calling Joker in a similar manner it'd be pretty funny.

I think a Blizzard character would be very likely, and as much as I DO like Overwatch I think I'd prefer a Diablo character from both a gameplay and stage/music standpoint. I mean, Overwatch basically has the one theme and that's it. Unless we just get Blizzard World and a whole bunch of dumb stuff that way.

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@tikicobra: "Citizen Game" is a very cheesy pun on the film title "Citizen Kane", itself already a cliche in the realm of media/art discourse. That's why everybody else cringed and laughed so hard when Danny said it (after preemptively apologizing) and what those "rosebud" jokes were in reference to.

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Sorry Danny. I’m too dumb for Outer Wilds *and* I don’t really like time limits in games.

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There’s a sign next to the light switch that says:

“Remember the rule of three applies” lol

This game doesn’t seem particularly obtuse, you just have to pay attention. I also didn’t think the beginning felt slow, it’s atmospheric and unique. I dunno I just don’t know what Ben wanted out of this game, I thought the lead up to the powers was well paced and when you finally get the power you understand what it is and what it means. Also Threshold Kids, that is all.

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Edited By Brad  Staff • 

@garwalk: Important context for the episode title:

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Also (1) - You don't need homophobic crap in your game "cause it's 90's!!!" or because media a few decades ago use to have it in spades (not necessarily in obvious ways). Also, listening to people in your chat and taking their word for something they clearly don't know about and saying stupid things is beyond stupid and PR-nightmare inviting.

Also (2) - After the about-face, I am not buying anything from this dev or pub every again - and I am part of the target market.

I'm really trying to understand this "controversy" so if someone could help me out, that'd be appreciated. How is soap that says "OGAY" homophobic? It's an insanely lame joke. It is DUMB for sure. But how is it denigrating anyone in the LGBT community? And (2), I don't really see it as an about-face. A developer did something, a mob attacked, they said sorry, it didn't do anything to stop the mob, then they said 'F' it and went along with their original idea. They're still donating the 10 grand to a good cause. I just don't see a reason to have such a strong opinion as "I'm never buying anything from them again". But to each their own.

Wow, the Ion Fury devs really are making another old school Build engine shooter, down to the lame offensive jokes that wouldn't even play in the fucking 90s unless you’re 13. Very true to form.

Shame because the game is fun. Same way Shadow Warrior is fun to play but leaves you with a bitter taste for some reason...

And maybe boneless can jump in on this as well. It's fucking extremely lame. And absolutely some middle school ass humor. But offensive towards whom exactly?

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Worth noting that KI (Killer Instinct) was also a X1 launch title and my personal favorite game that year. It’s one of the reasons I think the X1 launch lineup owned the PS4 launch lineup and still one of my favorite games to come out this gen.

Also, these are the reasons people hate Guy Fieri:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/guy-fieri-is-one-of-the-most-hated-celebrity-chefs-in-america-heres-why.html/

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@discohippoletsgo: It's offensive because it's reducing homosexuality to a joke pun and not taking it seriously. It's like immature people calling things that they find stupid or embarrassing ”gay.”

Like the whole reason the joke was made in the first place was to be offensive. It has no other legitimacy or point to it. ”Olay, more like Ogay huhuhuh.”

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@discohippoletsgo: I agree somewhat, its been hard to find what's wrong with the game. From what I've gathered, transphobic slurs were used as item names in the game's code and the devs seem adamant about hating those rascally "SJW"s on their discord. I bet the "Ogay" (a parody of the shampoo brand, Olay) could've been funny in the right game and context, but these devs definitely haven't given the impression they're laughing *with* LGBT people.

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@avioto said:

I think the hate the Ion Fury dev is getting is way overblown, but the way they are handling it is incredibly stupid. I bought it before their meltdown, and now I keep going back and forth about refunding it. What would you guys do?

I think when we are talking about 1/100th of a game's content that is offensive, but a developer won't apologize for it: is shitty. Making a sexist, homophobic, whatever-phobic jokes -in a game- is dumb. It would have been dumb in 1950, and it will be dumb in 2050. If you look at what the content is in the game, it is content that has ZERO effect on story or "a point". The content could have been removed, that woudl not fix it for all people, but it would have been the proper step. Yet, when Richard Gobeille from the game blames SJWs as being too sensitive and keeps in [offensive terms] -Well, stooping to that puts his or any argument out the window.

I think what has blown this up is Richard Gobeille, doubling down. t Richard Gobeille expanded that Venn diagram of people who wanted nothing to do with his companies game when he doubled down. I think 3D Realms saying, one of their offensive puns is protected free speech is extremely dumb.

I think fans can like 99% of a game and still be sickened when the other 1% is offensive. And, I think loving 99% and hating 1% is a perfectly justified reason to not play what you love. Just as Uncle Sal or Aunt Bertha saying some really racist at Thanksgiving can ruin a meal. Amount does not matter" a pea-sized lump of dog shit in a 5 gallon bucket of chili still ruins it. The amount of vile phobic contnet becomes irrelevant, it being a mean as a joke (which I now do not think is the case now that Gobeille is spouting off) is irrelevant.

So, yeah, I would cancel my order in your place.

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@discohippoletsgo: It's offensive because it's reducing homosexuality to a joke pun and not taking it seriously. It's like immature people calling things that they find stupid or embarrassing ”gay.”

Like the whole reason the joke was made in the first place was to be offensive. It has no other legitimacy or point to it. ”Olay, more like Ogay huhuhuh.”

I could see how someone would equate this situation to the idiots who call things "gay", but I think I disagree. If only because I believe most jokes are about reducing ideas into something silly. Comedy is usually about not taking things seriously, no matter how serious the content of the joke. Sexuality in and of itself is a sort of funny/weird thing. It's also, obviously, an incredibly serious and intricate thing that every single person on earth has to deal with differently. I suppose every joke ever told was offensive to someone. And I guess the point I'm trying to make is who are all of us to tell creators what can and can't be said? Sure, discuss these controversies with your friends and family. Absolutely vote with your dollars. But the dozens of articles, thousands of comments, thousands of twitter posts, people having to "choose a side" on something this innocuous is legitimately concerning to me.

And I know. This is all to say that we're (especially me) digging a lot deeper into this than it deserves. Why I choose to throw my hat into the ring is because I rarely, if ever, see real discussion about the so called controversies. Just those articles, comments, and posts condemning condemning and condemning. Dialogues get squished before they even start, and that's where my concern comes from. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy haha. It's why I love GB. Everyone's up for a good talk.

@discohippoletsgo: I agree somewhat, its been hard to find what's wrong with the game. From what I've gathered, transphobic slurs were used as item names in the game's code and the devs seem adamant about hating those rascally "SJW"s on their discord. I bet the "Ogay" (a parody of the shampoo brand, Olay) could've been funny in the right game and context, but these devs definitely haven't given the impression they're laughing *with* LGBT people.

That is a very good point. I have to step back from these situations more often and ask myself what the intent was. Not just surface level of what was said. Some comedians skate by with things other comedians could never say. And I think that has to do with their overall likability and people's perceptions of who they truly are.

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Ion Fury Devs did nothing wrong.

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Eugh these comments. Fuck Ion Fury for calling it “censorship” and fuck any gamergate incels who don’t see how offensive their grade-school jokes are. Can’t wait to see those same people saying they think Jeremy Soule should keep his job on the next Elder Scrolls.

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In regards to “when did 3 player co-op/squads become a thing”, I’m surprised no one in the group thought of Destiny.

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@development: How much does GG live in your head rent free after 5 years? I know times have been touch, but I'd start charging at some point. Go fight your Proud Boys in a senseless violence war or whatever you types do.

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Eugh these comments. Fuck Ion Fury for calling it “censorship” and fuck any gamergate incels who don’t see how offensive their grade-school jokes are. Can’t wait to see those same people saying they think Jeremy Soule should keep his job on the next Elder Scrolls.

Jeremy Soule, just like anyone else in this country, is innocent until proven guilty. Would you prefer something different?

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@garwalk: I was so pleased with myself for that one that I'm gonna feel real bad if I find out I subconsciously lifted it from someone else.

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Did I just play Quantum Break different from everyone else or are Ben and Danny just out of their minds for comparing it to Call of Duty/Gears of War? I feel like it forced you not to play it as a cover shooter.

Also saying Remedy isn’t known for great shooting just seems kind of wrong if you’ve only played their one game that didn’t have great shooting. Max Payne 1 & 2 were revered for their shooting.

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I just wanted to say it was great hearing Danny on the podcast. He's a thoughtful, funny, opinionated guy. I wish to death that he could become a permanent member of the podcast crew.

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Today in the world of social media - You can only have an opinion as long as it conforms to my ideals.

That has nothing to do with this, its just the world we live in today. Isn't life fun?