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Quick Look: Catherine: Full Body

Trust and loyalty are essential building blocks to a good relationship, so it only makes sense to push them around!

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

Sep. 6 2019

Cast: Jeff, Ben

Posted by: Jan

In This Episode:

Catherine: Full Body

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Hopefully the vita version gets a translation mod soon enough

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WillHeroX • 

Vincent shows up in Persona 3 Portable at the club. I think he says something about bad dreams but that's really it.

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hassun • 

Ah Catherine, so much missed potential.

And not getting better either.

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langdonx • 

@niko_of_death:I wish. Sort of hoping there will be a fan translation, because I just don't think Atlus will release it.

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Kind of itching to play this again, but not sure of if the third story line adds enough? Hoping I can get this on a sale at some point.

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Nux • 

I feel like they used this exact thumbnail when they did the Catherine Quick Look years ago.

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BiggNife • 

God, I have a lot of conflicted feelings on Catherine. I liked the story a lot when I first played it in 2011, but the more I look back on it, the more I recognize it has a lot of problematic aspects. And it sounds like those aspects are still there in Full Body along with a whole host of new ones.

Gonna skip this one, but I'd still be interested in Atlus revisiting the Golden Playhouse idea with a new story. And maybe a different writer, since Hashino seems to keep falling into the same pratfalls every single time.

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Edited By Mamacint • 

Why didn't they drop the 'u' and just go with Qatherine with the "Qa" pronounced the same as Qatar?

SMH

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Edited By VincentBrooks • 

I could've been clever and posted a comment in the first person but I'm a little too disappointed for that.

As this quick look was clearly made for me... I wish they had expanded on the idea of this world but with an original story. I do get the appeal to do a FES, Golden or Royal version considering its Atlus though. Rin adds some interesting new story beats but after playing the original it just feels cut and spliced in rather than actually built into the story.

At the end of the day, I'm guilty...I bought it. Atlus wins again...

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Edited By Do_The_Manta_Ray • 

Bit of a bummer to see Jeff covering this game. He had nothing but contempt for the game originally, where-as others on the staff, really liked it. Patrick went as far as to write a second "kind-of" review for it where he lauded it, that's how strongly he felt about it.

I'm 100 % in that camp. I loved the first game to bits, and I'd really like to experience this again.

All that aside, really cool to have Jeff back! Hope all is going great on the homefront for him.

Side note; competitive Catherine is some of the craziest-ass "E-Sports" out there.

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Edited By JoeDangerous • 

Man some of Catherine is interesting but I just absolutely loathe Vincent. Can't play a game I actively hate the protagonist in.

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shiro2809 • 

@do_the_manta_ray: I'm in the boat of loving the original, but just wanting that game again without whatever they're adding to this one. Having played P4G a year or two ago for the first time, the added story stuff after you catch the killer was just a mind numbing drag. I have zero faith in the story stuff that Atlus will add.

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Jigoroh • 

haha that's me in the ranked match! Sure enough, the online mode seems broken right now because of bad connections. In that second round, in my game Ben got caught way at the bottom and I kept climbing until disconnect, so seeing it stalemate here is a really bad look.

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AlisterCat • 

Love arguing with people on Kotaku UK about how calling a trans woman a man is transphobic, under an article about this game. Love it.

-_-

I get that Vincent isn't supposed to be a good person but parroting that bullshit is garbage,

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@alistercat said:

Love arguing with people on Kotaku UK about how calling a trans woman a man is transphobic, under an article about this game. Love it.

-_-

I get that Vincent isn't supposed to be a good person but parroting that bullshit is garbage,

I read that comment. He was basically saying he didn't wish to sleep with someone of the same biological sex, but worded it insensitively. It didn't sound like he was saying trans women are men, in terms of gender.

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LyndBako • 

Always weird to see what games do and don't get coverage on this site.

A Hat in Time and Ion Fury are ignored for relatively minor controversies, but this game is apparently fine?

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Edited By DG_Nick • 

@niko_of_death: why is the creator of the gamergate board on 8chan still allowed on giantbomb? https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/gamergates-headquarters-has-been-destroyed-by-trolls

@jeff@benpack is this the kind of userbase you want on giantbomb?

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JeedyJay • 

That's a great bit to open on.

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@joedangerous: I really liked that Vincent was a total mess. He was human in a way we don't tend to look at in games.

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Yakuza has a pretty rotten way of treating trans characters, too. It's such a bummer to see or hear about that sort of thing.

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This is the best game to edge in. I love edging.

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geirr • 

As a dog I -- wait, this game again?

Anyway, I like the style and music, still.

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D_W • 

From what I remember of Catherine, the more the story went on the worst it got and the big plot twists were just laughable bad and uninteresting.

But the puzzle game is fantastic. Seriously one of the best puzzle games.

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North6 • 

I thought I preordered this, and then forgot about it until this quicklook. Also apparantly did not pre-order it, so woo-hoo, get to wait for the price drop!

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@the_nubster: The devs took a transphobic sidequest out of the Yakuza 3 remaster, so they're willing to listen to criticism at the very least.

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@dg_nick: yeah I'm the only person on this site who did bad things on the internet when I was 14.

A few dumb posts and some other shit is "bad things" when you are 14. Organizing a mass of hateful internet shitheads into a place explicitly created to plan harassment and assault on women who committed the crime of existing and having an opinion goes kinda beyond "a stupid thing I did when I was 14" and more into the line of "I am a really shitty person and haven't really done anything to remotely atone for it or show any sort of realistic remorse or ownership of it."

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@otakucoder: That's really good to hear. Hopefully similar changes have been made in Yakuza 4 and 5 for the remasters. As much as I love those games, they traffic pretty regularly in casual hate. (I haven't played them but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that there's transphobic garbage in those original releases, too.)

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@the_nubster: As much as I understand your points, you have to take cultural differences into the equation with Japanese games.

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@yungnixon: Yep. but if that culture involves shaming people for their differences, I don't have to like it, nor should it be defended. Just because it's a cultural thing, doesn't mean it's immune from criticism.

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I will have to see for myself if it is appropriate to call what they did with Rin a noble attempt with a highly flawed execution (as many games don't even broach the topic, let alone support a romance), but what I can say is the original is my favorite game of all time for so many other reasons and it is a shame if the game is viewed entirely in that light. There are elements of Catherine that are incredibly unique.

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The brief part where Ben talks about the music, it is actually parts taken from Gustav Holst's Planets suite - specifically the Mars and Jupiter movements, I think. Just thought I'd share that and be THAT guy, who shows up, unasked for, to show off completely irrelevant info...