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Playdate: Doom Eternal: The Ancient Gods

There's nothing more hellish than OIL!

The crew of Giant Bomb invites you to join us for some fun times with video games.

Mar. 17 2021

Cast: Brad, Alex, Matt, Jan

Posted by: Jan

In This Episode:

Doom Eternal

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I would be on this if the lore in Doom Eternal weren't so terrible and if they didn't do Mick Gordon so dirty. The soundtrack in this DLC just doesn't hit the same. Doom Eternal was one of my favourite games of the year and it sucks that everything surrounding it is kind of sour.

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Brad still got it.

Also great to see Rorie on more content.

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It's just a fantastic game. And this was a ton of fun to watch (and it'd be cool to keep playing this on the site?)

Feels like I'm the only one that likes micro missiles :(

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I LOVE Doom Eternal and I don't care who knows it.

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It's still hilarious how DOOM Eternal somehow made it into Giant Bomb's Most Distressing Game of 2020 nominees list. It was a very Giant Bomb thing to happen.

Also DOOM Eternal is amazing.

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Man Rorie knows whats up, hell yeah! DOOM Eternal is so great

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GOTY 2020 don't @ me

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@janman Dune is a classic, I would give it a chance if you’re interested, the first 3 books are generally considered the good ones, but the first can stand by itself. And it’s not that long, most the later Harry Potter books are longer.

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I would be on this if the lore in Doom Eternal weren't so terrible and if they didn't do Mick Gordon so dirty. The soundtrack in this DLC just doesn't hit the same. Doom Eternal was one of my favourite games of the year and it sucks that everything surrounding it is kind of sour.

Initially that seemed to be the case, but you should look into how things turned out with that situation later on. Turns out Gordon was kind of a douche who threw the people he worked with under the bus on twitter and tried to spin the narrative in his favor, after consistently failing to deliver the OST mixes on time despite being granted more time over and over again.

Incredible composer and sound designer, but kind of a pain in the ass to work with, supposedly.

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Breaking Brad, yada yada

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Minor quibble: I think of "GB PlayDates" as streams where they play together. I haven't watched yet, though; is there Doom MP that they do?

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I cannot wait to see if they get up to the bit with the Spirits. What a brutal DLC. It pushed my ability to the edge on Nightmare to the point where if Part 2 is any harder I'm not sure I'll be able to beat it. Still love Doom Eternal though.

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@doctordonkey: Yeah Mick Gordon is a great composer in his wheelhouse, but he's kinda full of himself.

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@the_nubster said:

I would be on this if the lore in Doom Eternal weren't so terrible and if they didn't do Mick Gordon so dirty. The soundtrack in this DLC just doesn't hit the same. Doom Eternal was one of my favourite games of the year and it sucks that everything surrounding it is kind of sour.

Initially that seemed to be the case, but you should look into how things turned out with that situation later on. Turns out Gordon was kind of a douche who threw the people he worked with under the bus on twitter and tried to spin the narrative in his favor, after consistently failing to deliver the OST mixes on time despite being granted more time over and over again.

Incredible composer and sound designer, but kind of a pain in the ass to work with, supposedly.

He made one tweet and responded to one DM and then id released a several thousand word long open letter to the community addressing Mick. All he said was "I didn't mix that track, you'll be able to tell which ones I did" and "I won't be working with id again." Apparently people take the word of a massive company with leagues of lawyers over the goodwill of basically a single dude, which is gross.

I don't care how bad I fuck up, if my boss chews me out in public and fires me in front of an audience, that is crossing the line into abuse. If there was an issue, it should have been resolved behind closed doors legally, not blasted onto Reddit where people are desperate to pretend their favourite thing doesn't have any issues. Besides, he has worked in the games industry for many years, almost exclusively with Bethesda for a lot of them in a recurring role, and he worked on Doom 2016 with id. I'm gonna go ahead and say that Mick was not the problem, and if he was, id could have not worked with him again. They don't get to paint him as a needy diva and an asshole after having one successful game with him and bringing him back for another. And they sure as hell don't get to swing that story when they promised a day-and-date OST before even having him contracted to do it.

Sorry, but I don't buy the story where id are the good guys doing what's best for fans by getting rid of Mick. The relationship went sour and they nuked it.

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@karmaghost: Brad’s playing single player, although a lot of GB Playdates are single player, probably most, I think they just use it as a catch all

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"My advice to you, is to Rip and Tear" - Alex Navarro a wise man

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Apex legend legend Brad Shoemaker everybody

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@doctordonkey said:
@the_nubster said:

I would be on this if the lore in Doom Eternal weren't so terrible and if they didn't do Mick Gordon so dirty. The soundtrack in this DLC just doesn't hit the same. Doom Eternal was one of my favourite games of the year and it sucks that everything surrounding it is kind of sour.

Initially that seemed to be the case, but you should look into how things turned out with that situation later on. Turns out Gordon was kind of a douche who threw the people he worked with under the bus on twitter and tried to spin the narrative in his favor, after consistently failing to deliver the OST mixes on time despite being granted more time over and over again.

Incredible composer and sound designer, but kind of a pain in the ass to work with, supposedly.

He made one tweet and responded to one DM and then id released a several thousand word long open letter to the community addressing Mick. All he said was "I didn't mix that track, you'll be able to tell which ones I did" and "I won't be working with id again." Apparently people take the word of a massive company with leagues of lawyers over the goodwill of basically a single dude, which is gross.

I don't care how bad I fuck up, if my boss chews me out in public and fires me in front of an audience, that is crossing the line into abuse. If there was an issue, it should have been resolved behind closed doors legally, not blasted onto Reddit where people are desperate to pretend their favourite thing doesn't have any issues. Besides, he has worked in the games industry for many years, almost exclusively with Bethesda for a lot of them in a recurring role, and he worked on Doom 2016 with id. I'm gonna go ahead and say that Mick was not the problem, and if he was, id could have not worked with him again. They don't get to paint him as a needy diva and an asshole after having one successful game with him and bringing him back for another. And they sure as hell don't get to swing that story when they promised a day-and-date OST before even having him contracted to do it.

Sorry, but I don't buy the story where id are the good guys doing what's best for fans by getting rid of Mick. The relationship went sour and they nuked it.

Yeah, it's tuff to say what's going on. But I've heard too many stories of the "good" company just trying to get the job done and pesk employees aren't working hard enough. When "working hard enough" Is selling yourself short and working to the bone for unrealistic deadlines and being told your performance was lacking due to 3 mistakes you made out of 10000 things you did correctly. It's super hard to be on the side of the big company when they are in an industry known for treating employees like capital, in our capitalist society where the bottom line is most important over self. Overall we don't know the truth so I'll be on the sidelines till then. Just rattling my two cents from others' takes.

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Man this is the first DOOM game ever Im glad I didn't play, I beat DOOM 2016 on ultra violence and loved it but this game just seems like too much.

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WTF Alex. Dune is one of the best SciFi books ever written. I've read it like 5 times through. Gonna have to do another.

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What a great stream!!! So good to see Rorie again, feel likes it's been too long.

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Villeneuve is one of my favorite directors and I really enjoyed the novel though I read it eons ago so I am beyond pumped for Dune. The trailer was amazing and BR2049 is one of my favorite movies of all time. Almost apropos of nothing but just had to vent my excitement once more. :D

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Ive been itching to replay past couple weeks. Good warmup to play dlc. Always a pleasure watching brad play doom.

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"I'm, gonnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...peeeeeeeeeee."

Man, I missed Rorie.

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Breaking Brad? Breaking Brad.

To some, DOOM Eternal may feel like work, like a chore or just overwhelmingly difficult. And that's fine. There really is no other answer than lower the difficulty, git gud or just find another game to play. My only advice would be to realize that you are the hunter and not the demons in those fights. If you're hiding behind crates and panicking, that's no good. If you're constantly closing the distance and fucking them up, you'll be fine thanks to health / armor / ammo replenishment! Well, usually.

To me this game feels like the best damn FPS in the history of pure FPS games, and I'm really glad id was bold enough to make all these additions to it. This is DOOM mixed with Devil May Cry minus the style counter (hey id, just add it in the arcade mode you're surely working on!). Looking forward to demons biting my face off in Part II today!

(and please, twimc just lower the difficulty instead of complaining on reddit and whatnot)

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Jan read Dune. It's actually really great!

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I always thought the voice was close to Peter Cullen's Optimus Prime. They need Darin De Paul to do future Optimus Prime roles. Since Peter probably can't do it too much longer. Cullen's voice has been solicified as Optimus's voice for years now and anything not close really ruins it for many. War for Cybertron's Optimus voice sucks. /end tangent

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This is a fun little grouping. Seems very brad-supportive

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To add to the vibrant DUNE discussion:

As someone that has read the entire 6 book saga a few times over the years and considers it one of the best sci-fi ever written I do think it works really well as a whole rather than just the first novel. Dune by itself is a great introduction to the series but the books that follow flesh out that world in fascinating ways so that by the time you get to Chapterhouse it really feels like this entire civilization has evolved from when you first started reading.

So Jan if you do plan on reading it know that while Dune is a great book the hype may set your expectations way higher than what you're going to get. On the surface it's not an especially complicated story but it is layered and touches on a vast array of topics.

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Rhino cam, best cam.

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Said it before and I'll say it again, Doom Eternal is the Dark Souls of shooters. Even more so than the actual shooter soulsl-likes haha.

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Rhino cam, best cam.

Logging in just to say how nice it was. Great work Jan.

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I Love Doom Eternal. It's the best action game since Sekiro. Like Rory, it took a long time for me to get to this place of love for Doom Eternal and specifically one disappointing first playthrough on Xbox, where the game just kicked my ass and it felt like the story and attitude of the doom guy was a little too much. Once I switched to PC on mouse and keyboard however, I had a much better time. Once you get onto Eternal's level you begin appreciating everything else, like the scope of the levels, each level is basically like a Raid in Destiny. I've sunk so much time going back to Doom Eternal over the last year on Nightmare and the Master Levels. Can't wait to play Ancient God Part 2. I love all the platforming too! So much of Mario went into Doom in terms of tech.

If I had one criticism, it's the "possessed" enemies they introduced in Ancient Gods Part 1. Don't get me wrong, I love that the only way to destroy the 'spirit' is with the microwave beam which turns your epic arena combat into ghostbusters briefly. But the fact that the base enemies when possessed, don't flinch at all. I really hate that.

I'm really interested in the direction they go with the next Doom - from Microsoft. I wonder if the audience reception to Eternal and the fact that Id are owned by Xbox now will lead to a game that's more in line with 2016 than Eternal. Either way, we'll still have Eternal and I'm looking forward to kicking Satan's ass just like I'm looking forward to killing Mecha-Hitler in the next Wolfenstein.

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First of all, good job Brad. For someone who didn't play Doom Eternal in a while, you did well on a high difficulty. Personally, I both like and dislike Doom Eternal. On the one hand, the core Doom gameplay is still fun and intense when it all works just like in 2016, but the tasks they added in this game can make the combat pretty frustrating and stress inducing. I respect the speed runners who can quickly switch between weapons and just wreck enemies left and right. It seems like this DLC is even more challenging, but I still plan to play both episodes one day. 2016 in a lot of ways was the perfect FPS and I understand why the developers wanted to add more depth, but I wish they found another way to do so without trying to make another Dark Souls type of game - needlessly hard for no good reason.

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Brad's energy was off the charts. Great stream :D

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I absolutely loved DOOM Eternal but found this DLC hard to get into just cause it's sooo unforgiving and there's so much to remember about DOOM Eternal. I'll give it another shot soon, but god damn is it relentless.

EDIT: And please, please, pleeeease make this an ongoing Breaking Bad series. Please? I miss 'This is the run' and this video scratched a similar itch.

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@doctordonkey said:
@the_nubster said:

I would be on this if the lore in Doom Eternal weren't so terrible and if they didn't do Mick Gordon so dirty. The soundtrack in this DLC just doesn't hit the same. Doom Eternal was one of my favourite games of the year and it sucks that everything surrounding it is kind of sour.

Initially that seemed to be the case, but you should look into how things turned out with that situation later on. Turns out Gordon was kind of a douche who threw the people he worked with under the bus on twitter and tried to spin the narrative in his favor, after consistently failing to deliver the OST mixes on time despite being granted more time over and over again.

Incredible composer and sound designer, but kind of a pain in the ass to work with, supposedly.

He made one tweet and responded to one DM and then id released a several thousand word long open letter to the community addressing Mick. All he said was "I didn't mix that track, you'll be able to tell which ones I did" and "I won't be working with id again." Apparently people take the word of a massive company with leagues of lawyers over the goodwill of basically a single dude, which is gross.

I don't care how bad I fuck up, if my boss chews me out in public and fires me in front of an audience, that is crossing the line into abuse. If there was an issue, it should have been resolved behind closed doors legally, not blasted onto Reddit where people are desperate to pretend their favourite thing doesn't have any issues. Besides, he has worked in the games industry for many years, almost exclusively with Bethesda for a lot of them in a recurring role, and he worked on Doom 2016 with id. I'm gonna go ahead and say that Mick was not the problem, and if he was, id could have not worked with him again. They don't get to paint him as a needy diva and an asshole after having one successful game with him and bringing him back for another. And they sure as hell don't get to swing that story when they promised a day-and-date OST before even having him contracted to do it.

Sorry, but I don't buy the story where id are the good guys doing what's best for fans by getting rid of Mick. The relationship went sour and they nuked it.

The relationship went sour for a reason, and it was Mick's doing in the end. All of this could have been "resolved behind closed doors", but Mick is the one who decided to make those snarky and unprofessional comments. He signed a contract to deliver a certain amount of songs mixed for the OST, and was granted ample time to do so. He was granted extension after extension and assured that he could even deliver more than was promised, if granted said extensions. He didn't, and they ran out of time and had to just put it out after having their in-house sound designer cobble together what tracks he did have (Mick did not provide uncompressed tracks, so all the designer had was the compressed ones) and mix them, so they obviously turned out poorly.

It was only after all of this happened and things fell apart did someone reach out to Mick about the poor quality of the mix, to which he responded with essentially throwing Id's sound designer (Chad Mossholder) under the bus, attempting to wipe his hands clean of it, and claim id had fucked him over with unreasonable deadlines and wouldn't be working with them again. To which Marty obviously responded with that letter on reddit, giving their side of the story.

In the end, all this happened almost a year ago and people have moved on, but the general consensus is that Mick acted in bad faith and was ultimately immature and unprofessional about the whole thing. I personally would trust Marty a million times over before I'd trust Mick, given the available information.

Again, incredible composer, undeniably conceived legendary soundtracks back to back with 2016 and Eternal and gave birth to the sound design of modern DOOM. But that does not excuse him from handling things in the shitty way he did.

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DUNE is weird for me because it's a book that I have read in its entirety in bits and pieces over the years but I've never been able to get through all at once. For me it shares the same problem that I had with Harry Potter - for whatever reason, the book never sold me on the believably of that universe.

For being in a sci-fi book, Hebert tried really, really hard to negate everything sci-fi about it. You can't use lasers because of shields. You can't use shields because of worms. So somehow 30,000 years into the future everyone is fighting with knives. Space travel is super-limited because it requires future super-cocaine to work, etc.

I know Herbert did that because he wanted to focus on the politics of the world, but I also find those politics kind of boring? The interesting stuff in that book are the things at the margins, like the ban on AI (for reasons never gone into in the book) and the ways humanity tried to accommodate for that but those things get very little attention. Instead the main plot is a family feud that's been done better in other books a million time before.

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Jan should read Dune, Everyone should read Dune. Dune is the greatest book I have ever read.

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@therealturk: I would say a lot of those issues are explored in the following books but a lot of it is left in an aura of mystery. The Butlerian Jihad is mentioned a few times but mostly in passing to say that thinking machines rose up and there was a war so now people are forbidden from making them in order to not make that same mistake again. Later novels explore the power struggle from different perspectives of the key houses and you get to see what the technologically advanced people of Ix think and how are they scheming behind the scenes to get ahead. Or how the Tleilaxu use genetics instead of technology, molding human beings into living tools.

Like I mentioned below, it is all very interesting but it is told through the span of the 6 novels in bits and pieces. His son attempted to answer all of your questions in detail by writing dozens of prequel novels and it is best to just pretend none of those even exist.

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Alex speaks the truth regarding our lord and savior, Godzilla. These American movies are fun and I've enjoyed the spectacle of them, but some of those Japanese movies are just outstanding.

They didn't delve too deep, so if anyone is pumped for Godzilla v. Kong and wants to watch the heights of the series:

HBO Max has the Showa Era films, and a few of them are absolutely worth watching. Your mileage may vary depending on how much camp and kid-friendly stuff you can appreciate, but the 1954 original, Mothra vs. Godzilla, and Godzilla vs. Gigan are my personal highlights.

The Heisei Era films are some of the few to have real continuity, but unfortunately some of them are hard to get a hold of now. Since most of these aren't available digitally, you're looking at blu-rays that regularly cost $70+. Not recommended for someone new to the series, but worth looking into if you can't get enough rubber suit action.

The Millennium Era is my personal favorite. Lots of over-the-top stuff, amazing suitmation, great monsters. Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All Out Attack is one of the best movies in the entire series, and easily the most accessible of the Japanese series pre-Shin. If you're thinking about dipping your toes into G-films, this is a great place to start.

There hasn't been much in the Reiwa Era so far, but the only thing worthwhile so far is Shin Godzilla. It's a hell of a movie, though. Directed by Hideaki Anno of Evangelion fame and Shinji Higuchi, who did amazing effects work for the 90's Gamera trilogy (these are on YouTube and are required viewing for kaiju fans). This is a return to the frightening side of Godzilla; no monster fights, children, or protecting the planet. He's just an unstoppable force of destruction, and the human plot is focused on the absurdity of bureaucracy and decorum in a crisis. I hate to compare because I feel like the American movies are doing okay with the direction they're taking, but this feels more like what I was hoping Godzilla 2014 would be based on the marketing.

In summary: Godzilla 1954, Shin Godzilla, and GMK: GMAOA are must-see films if you have any interest in the character.

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@relkin said:

"I'm, gonnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...peeeeeeeeeee."

Man, I missed Rorie.

right? always need more ror-dawg in my life.

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By the looks of this, I am going to have to practice some regular Doom Eternal, before I even consider playing the DLC.

It's just not because it has been a good while. This looks hard.

And that on Hurt Me Plenty, the level down (less) then this.

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Dune opinion: probably unique for its time, but I could do without the story being "this noble son was BRED to be your LEADER, you SAVAGES" + messiah shit. I do like the universe, and the writing is good, especially in trippy scenes, but ugh save me the savior story.

also i wish they turned up the music in this stream. i know metal isn't the crew's thing (except alex) but those Drop A/G# 8 string riffs are too good.

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You should read Dune, Jan.

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I love that I can watch this here because FPS games are the genre I am shittiest at. It lets me know that there’s a Dark Souls-ass difficulty sector of the genre that I’ve never experienced.

Also I’ve never read any of the sequels but I read Dune in high school and it was amazing. I wish I had the patience I did back then to digest a book that dense. I think Alex should revise his statement towards Infinite Jest.

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Watching this made me finally want to go back to Doom Eternal. I've only played two or three hours so far but it seems just as fun as Doom 2016. Maybe I'll change my mind when I get to this Marauder I hear so much about but they carried everything over that I liked from the first game.

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Brad's excitement whenever the demons fight is so heartening