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The Giant Beastcast: Episode 233

Now that the Death Stranding is out, we don't have to talk about it anymore! Instead, listen as we discuss Luigi's Mansion 3, Overwatch 2, Outer Worlds, Call of Duty Modern Warfare, Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo Olympics 2020, Google's Stadia, and so much more! Whoa, baby!

The Giant Bomb East team gathers to talk about the week in video games, their lives, and basically anything that interests them. All from New York City!

Nov. 8 2019

Cast: Vinny, Alex, Dan, Abby

Posted by: Abby

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Nice

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Yo lets go

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Minion Jesus died for someone's sins but not mine.

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The best Death Stranding-focused podcast in the known universe.

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Time to stay out of the Timefall and keep your BB strapped in. It's Kojima day! Better yet, it's Beastcast day!

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Can someone please, please clip Vinny's accidental Morty and Alex's disgust.

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I'm pretty sure the "Troy Baker bought Kojima weed" tweet is fake y'all, sorry.

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"Scissors were created in the Middle-East 3000 or 4000 years ago"

"...Was that before the renaissance?"

DAAAAAAAN

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I get the sentiment and partly agree, but kind of a rough swing from Vinny about Disco Elysian fans.

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The whole Overwatch 2 situation is the exact reason why I never wanted to make games. If you own 1 you have new maps and modes. If you buy 2 you get a story, how in the hell could you be mad at this? why is it named 2? Who gives a fuck?!

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@humanity: Nah, the comments here were really rough, the response seems kind in comparison.

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Shoutout to Vinny for that clapback against all the Disco Elysium fanboys. We get it. It's a good game. We're glad you like it. Now kindly leave the rest of us alone.

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Bakalar is talking about the 725 shotgun. It is indeed a double barrel and it indeed is overpowered. The other shotguns don’t even compare to it.

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@humanity: Yeah, I felt the same way. I get the sentiment, but I think there's better ways to address it (or just don't address it at all and move on).

P.S.: I'm not a fan of the game.

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All fandoms deserve to be taken down a peg or two, especially when they're being active jerks.

Signed, a Kingdom Hearts fan (but not part of the "fandom")

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Stadia info:

There will be two tiers - a free and a premium service.

The premium service requires a monthly fee and allows you stream beyond 1080p, up to 4k, and get 5.1 sound and other stuff. At launch that other stuff is the full Destiny 2 package including the new expansion. It's likely that other games become included for this service in a PS plus style in future months. You can obviously still buy games at prices they say will be competitive with PS and Microsoft stores.

The free service doesn't launch until next year and only streams up to 1080p. Also no monthly games, simply the ability to buy games and stream.

Initially a Stadia controller and Chromecast is needed to stream via TV. The controller for this is wireless.

Initially the Stadia controller needs a wired connection to use it on PC/Pixel phones.

HOWEVER, you don't need a Stadia controller to use the service, any USB controller will work. Right now, the only way to get a Stadia account is by buying the package that includes the controller. That changes next year.

Ultimately there is no buy in fee to use the service in 2020 if you already have a USB controller.

Google does note though that there is special sauce in the Stadia controller that ostensibly makes the whole latency thing smoother.

I imagine the whole thing will change and adapt. As mentioned on the podcast the whole thing is very much a early adoption situation.

Also if you are planning to get it anytime soon you might not be in luck. The Founder's Edition has sold out and there seems to be a slow roll out of the new package they are selling (which includes controller and Chromecast).

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*strands the fuck out of some deaths*

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All Vinny said was Disco Elysium fans need to take a step back and calm down, and some of you are like, “whoa, that’s harsh,” essentially proving his point.

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Thank god Vinny addressed the rabid Disco Elysium fans out there, especially on certain pages on this site. Take that petty shit out of here, folks.

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I guess they didn’t care enough to look up more on Diablo 4, there’s actually a lot of gameplay out for it as well as many details on the mechanics especially with its shared world.

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Bakalar is talking about the 725 shotgun. It is indeed a double barrel and it indeed is overpowered. The other shotguns don’t even compare to it.

Yep, it's absurd, get some good K/D while you can, it will 100% get nerfed.

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@humanity said:

I get the sentiment and partly agree, but kind of a rough swing from Vinny about Disco Elysian fans.

hmmm, i actually think it was entirely merited. i think everyone has (at some point in their life) been the person that lets their excitement get the better of them- but you need to have that checked (bluntly, if necessary) if it makes you myopic and unwilling to accept other points of view. excitement that turns into zealotry is an active turnoff for everything (i say this as a recovering tool fan).

...and also there was just a lot of total bullshit gatekeeping going on that was justified by believing vinny was the One True Gamer who would SURELY champion the game.

i love the guy, but years later The Cult of Caravella is still present on this site and it weirds me out every time it shows up.

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@mellotronrules: to clarify a little I mainly was referring to the tone and how it was surprising to hear it from Vinny specifically. Whether it’s warranted or not I honestly think that’s a conversation where everyone loses in some way.

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@gensmoth: It was balanced this morning. No idea how drastic, but hopefully we'll see less 725

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I dunno, I mean as a fan of things myself, sometimes the _______ fans do need to shut the fuck up, lol.

It's like wh-*mmfmffmfmf* is dragged off-stage

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I just came across this and was reminded of video nasties.

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Vinny can say whatever he likes but that unanimous reaction on that quick look was pretty telling of its quality.

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I hope Vinny still persists with Disco Elysium despite some of the more rabid of the fan base being obnoxious, it is the GAME to play this year. It has the highest rating on IGN and Gamespot for a reason, there is nothing like it out there. It's a psychological mystery game with a cast of characters that feel alive, this game will make you feel a gauntlet of emotions that you won't feel in any other game this year. The reason the Disco Elysium fanbase is irked isn't Abby's Quicklook instead is that a game this good isn't being given the a proper shake, no one has went deep into its guts where as more mainstream mediocre games have.

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It's totally Jan who convinced Vinny to play KH3 right? It would be so funny if Vinny fell down a rabbit hole reading/catching up on the lore of that convoluted series.

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Your favorite game didn't get a fair shake from GB? Lol, get in fucking line. Who cares, they are "wrong" about a lot of things. Move on, there are plenty of ppl and sites that agree with your opinion.

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@humanity: I don't know: If I was a boss like Vinny and I saw a bunch of people crossing the line on giving guff over a teammate's feelings/opinions (which were totally reasonable), I would put my foot down because the team comes first.

Also, I feel him too: that shit was annoying and needed to be addressed.

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overwatch was not $60

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@wanaming0: Having not listened to the beastcast yet, the comments I saw on the QL page were pretty dang fair and nice for the most part. Especially in comparison to things like the Ancestors quicklook were Dan got a whole lot of shit.

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“I think it’s fine, I think it’s great.”

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@terik: It was $60 at launch on console. The "Origins Edition" was the only option there, while PC had the choice of $40 base game or the $60 version with those bonuses.

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lol most of my favorite games don't get the in-depth shake I wish they got on this site, but that's ok because I give them a hearty, personal shake. You're your own shake master.

(level 101 in Ring Fit Adventure by the way ask me about my hinge pose rank)

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when dan asks if egyptian is older than the renaissance period. Dan, ....Dan. This is where I actually suggest you think about going back to school on a serious level.

Good cast, actually VERY surprised nobody is gushing over how fucking amazing red dead 2 on pc looks/plays over the console version, like, to the point that I suggest dan actually give it another shot, because the framerate shift and the fidelity of the world around you, and the horsepower affecting everything down to the time it takes for menus to load, (along with some notes by rockstar about movement speed increase, as well as holy-shit-that's-a-lot levels of content/QOL improvements to online- makes RDR2 like twice the speed it felt on PS4. I knew it would be better but as soon as the graphics happen you go 'oh, sh* wow' then as soon as they give you control it goes to "full on 'holy sh*' yeah this is a better RDR2."

I did some experiments with the movement between the two versions and I have to say that the framerate shift alone, the game is so much more playable, and I am not a mouse and keyboard guy, but my aiming sucks on a controller, I have never been able to dial it in RDR2 in a way that didn't require heavy aim assist snap, but the framerate increase to 60 at least somehow eliminates what felt almost like universal-input lag in hindsight and IMMEDIATELY becomes apparent just how old a base PS4 is, and somehow made this thing work which is now more impressive. And also my aiming sucks less on controller, to the point it's still viable against m+kb because the world is way less made of jello in general.

I do hope someone on the crew buys a copy and at least has Dan hold the controller long enough to see how different the game feels. I was running full sprint around a barn in the intro sequence over and over going 'what the fuck was wrong with this on console', and really it's the framerate, the motion blur, the weird disconnect between animation and input, all fixed. In short, in the ways it was criticized as molasses-like last year, I cannot stress how much fun I am having with 'things I put up with (the shooting, the load times, framerate chug and just general ui lag and game-system snappiness all the way from pausing to inventory wheel and button press to action) and then also just being fucking stunned by the improvements to the things that were already seemingly impossible to beat visually with the console version.

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@liquiddragon: this is the part I don't understand there are literally hundreds of articles and reviews gushing about it and praising it. This is one site. And for those of you saying the comments all seem fairly nice and reasonable on the QL, those are the ones that survived moderation. I was watching that shit in real time and the amount of sexist and vile hate filled comments was despicable and a terrible reminder that there are still aspects of this community who don't like having a female perspective on staff.

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I really want to know what would have happened if Dan was able to tell Hideo what he thought of Death Stranding. I'm envisioning the two silently staring at each other for five minutes.

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Imagine how rude a fandom has to be in order to get Vinny to tell them to shut the eff up.

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I hope Jan gets everyone to play Pokemon as well.

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I think Vinny was spot on. Being a fan of something is fine, like what you want to like. What is not fine is jumping other peoples shit for not liking what you like, or vice versa. I know the hive mind is popular right now, and everyone is drawing lines in the sand over every dumb thing, but other peoples opinions should not threaten your ability to like or dislike something in any way.

Long story short, don't be a dick.

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Not sure if it gets covered, but to Alex, you have an option to turn off all of E.Gadd's tips in Luigi's Mansion very early on in the Settings Menu.

Honestly saved the game for me. Couldn't stand his chatter of the same thing over and over again when I was being immersed and exploring.

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I've always thought "fandom" referred to the state of being a fan, like "my level of fandom for Death Stranding is high," similar to "stardom," usually referred to as someone's level of being a star. Now people seem to use "fandom" like "kingdom," being a group of fans of something.

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Jeff is right about COD, A LOT needs to change.
Shotguns are powerful, and they should be at the appropriate ranges, Vinny is right in that in real life buckshot has much more effective range than in games, but the pellets in buckshot are not aerodynamic like a bullet, so if you want to justify making them short range in COD most of the characters are wearing armour, which shotguns are not effective against.
The game does have slugs, but not many people use them as they have long flight times over long distance, they have a lot of drop and the buckshot is overpowered so why would you.
Map design is f*** awful, they've moved away from the traditional 3 lane maps of the past which everyone liked, now most maps are a cluttered mess with no flow and loads of hiding spots for campers, and given the extremely fast "time to kill" in this game camping and hiding have become the best strategies. You can't judge whether you should move or not due to how spread out and random the map design is, with so many paths and hiding spots nowhere is safe and deaths from random directions are constant, and it all just promotes camping, why move when moving is lethal? Another downside to the new map design is how spread out it makes everyone, without traditional lanes everyone's moving slowly around the map trying to stay hidden, players don't push through each other's spawns forcing a rotation so spawn lockdowns happen all the time, which is just a bad experience.
Due to a much slower pace kill counts are lower and most TDM matches end when the time runs out, COD has always been the shooter i'm best at but i'm absolutely terrible at this, i've adopted a slower, campier and extremely boring approach to improve my results but it's not me, it's not Call of Duty.

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@terik: ehhh it kinda was since there was a heavily advertised $60 edition that was pushed as the 'default'

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"Chill the fuck out."

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"Are scissors even that old?" hahahahahaha