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The Giant Beastcast: Episode 71

Ubisoft is in the news this week as it survives hostile takeovers, takes over a mobile publisher, and overtakes the rumor mill. We also talk about Palmer's exploits, the state of Virginia, Event(0), and we answer your burning questions!

The Giant Bomb East team gathers to talk about the week in video games, their lives, and basically anything that interests them. All from New York City!

Sep. 30 2016

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New Beastcast!

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Bestcast time!

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ah nice! entertaining me while painting ma doors.

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Beastcast and Destiny while I enjoy my last night off before another week of work

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Annnnnnnd it's officially Friday!

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WOO!

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The Beastcast is my favorite part of every week.

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NJ train crash. :( Glad folks here were ok, but, wow, that was a bad situation.

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Hell yeah, its my fav time of the week. What a great episode this is so far.

EDIT: Damn, they nailed it on all parts and with that I mean not only about the recent Palmer issue. Such a fun and easy going episode to listen to. People shouldn't be all frustrated when talking about political issues. At the very best, talking level headed with different and even very oposing opinions can have great benefits. Extremists excluded though, promoting/advertising violence is a no-go for me. "Memeing" up the Political discourse feels very outlandish, almost unnatural and unreal to me. It is most certainly unneeded and also detrimental to the things political candidates usually seek to archive. But I also can see that people are fed about about talking about it, because its all over the place. Closing the comment section when it becomes obnoxious is a sensible choice.

Anyway, I really, REALLY have to try FH3. It touches all my "Oh my, I want this" pressure points and I never even owned a Forza game, but I've played like 4 of them at a friend. I have a question about it, are there Itasha in this game? I'm all for the Japanese weirdness that came with those games and I was impressed that older Forzas had lots of Itasha artworks available. The costumization also seems amazing. When FH3 becomes optimized for the PC, I'm seriously thinking about picking it up, there seem to have all sorts of problems with that game right now. A shame really, making games is hard.

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It's the best time to be listening to podcasts.

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Guys, the reddit Nimble America is associated with is notorious for promoting white supremacist and misogynistic views.

It's not really about personal politics (Democrat/Republican) or the method of delivery (shady memes), for me personally.

It's about funding a message of hate that shouldn't be tolerated in 2016.

I don't really think naivety comes into it either. He didn't just offer money. It is pretty clear from Luckey's own words, in the exposed anonymous post, what his intentions were. That post he made was disgusting and deserves to be called disgusting.

Developers, reviewers etc are more than entitled to shut down any future involvement with Palmer Luckey. That's not weird like you said.

I understand it is tough to talk about and I know you are not coming from a bad place on this but I felt you were tiptoeing around the heart of the issue here.

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@Vinny: There are lots of companies that record radio promotions and jingles for reasonable prices. Why not buy one? I'd love to hear what you would come up with!

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Right on guys!

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@johnnymcginley: Seemed to me they were unambiguously against lowering political discourse to that level. I don't think anybody's going to come away from this thinking they're trying to avoid burning industry bridges, or something.

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@Vinny: There are lots of companies that record radio promotions and jingles for reasonable prices. Why not buy one? I'd love to hear what you would come up with!

Im almost certain the community can produce one for the BeastCast for zero cost.

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@williamflattener: I am definitely not saying that.

I am 100% not accusing the guys of anything.

I am just giving my honest views about their discussion.

I could have used some talk about the reaction from the Oculus Diversity Program members or about Superhypercube dropping support.

I am not trying to kickstart an argument in the comments section either.

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Bummer about the loss of steady work for CyberConnect2, but hey maybe they will get to make a another .hack game now... probably not...

Also am I the only one that likes the Street fighter movie?

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Regarding the "retro-futurism" stuff...

I am a total sucker for this stuff, no matter if it's genuinely from an era (like the computers & machines in the movie Alien) or if it's kind of smirking at old tech as anachronism (like the computers in Alien: Isolation). My shorthand for all that stuff is The Future of the 70s/80s or whatever decade of tech it seems to invoke.

I know it can be a gimmick but awkward, chunky, huge-button computers just do it for me.

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Angry birds was an actually OK game movie.

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Guys, the reddit Nimble America is associated with is notorious for promoting white supremacist and misogynistic views.

It's not really about personal politics (Democrat/Republican) or the method of delivery (shady memes), for me personally.

It's about funding a message of hate that shouldn't be tolerated in 2016.

I don't really think naivety comes into it either. He didn't just offer money. It is pretty clear from Luckey's own words what his intentions were. That post he made was disgusting and deserves to be called disgusting.

Developers, reviewers etc are more than entitled to shut down any future involvement with Palmer Luckey. That's not weird like you said.

I understand it is tough to talk about and I know you are not coming from a bad place on this but I felt you were tiptoeing around the heart of the issue here.

Yup. Entirely with you here. Dude's funding white supremacist hate speech -> fuck him. That is actually quite clear cut for me. (Also glad Jeff pretty much made that point on the Bombcast)

I get kind of frustrated with "everyone's entitled to their own personal politics" in cases such as this one. There is a line, and crossing that line moves this beyond "opinions". You throw your hat in with actual fucking neo nazis (not to even mention actively funding them), you're a bad person. Full stop.

(Disclaimer: I love Giant Bomb and all the duders on this here 'cast. Wishing they would just go ahead and call a thing a thing doesn't change that. :) )

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@johnnymcginley: Oh, I wasn't trying to be the Brand Defense League here... I had just listened to it and had a different reaction. They could have said "I'd like to not have any part of the internet lightning rod this is going to turn into," but instead Vinny was like "political discourse being brought to new lows is regressive and unacceptable," (paraphrasing, of course) which is a massively important point for society in general and 100% antithetical to Luckey's stated intention, as I understand it.

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@williamflattener: Appreciate your point and sorry for being defensive myself, just nervous of this comment section becoming a shitshow.

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@johnnymcginley: Right there with you. On the Bombcast one the first page of comments is all people going "Sorry for what's about to happen here, Rory!"

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Anyone else get some serious angry dad vibes from Vinny's tone during his talk about nasty comments?

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@dizzyhippos: I have watched the Street Fighter movie multiple times in the last three or four months, so I can confirm that you are in fact not the only person who thinks that movie rules. I'm not huge on the Charlie/Blanka subplot but Raul Julia is the best Bison there is (and in a world where the SFII movie Bison exists that is no small feat).

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Can CyberConnect2 go back to making .hack// games now that isn't just shitty mobile stuff?

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Alex said unravel and unpack, take a drink

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Echoing Jeff and Vinny's sentiments on Palmer Luckey--

Bigotry is no bueno.

It's sad that speaking out against racism, sexism, anti-semitism, etc is even a controversial statement where people feel like they have to walk on eggshells to avoid a deluge of angry abuse. I want to be charitable and say maybe some of the people defending Luckey don't realize the full extent of the ideology he was funding and promoting. But unequivocally, hate towards people becuase of their identity is not okay.

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Guys, the reddit Nimble America is associated with is notorious for promoting white supremacist and misogynistic views.

It's not really about personal politics (Democrat/Republican) or the method of delivery (shady memes), for me personally.

It's about funding a message of hate that shouldn't be tolerated in 2016.

I don't really think naivety comes into it either. He didn't just offer money. It is pretty clear from Luckey's own words, in the exposed anonymous post, what his intentions were. That post he made was disgusting and deserves to be called disgusting.

Developers, reviewers etc are more than entitled to shut down any future involvement with Palmer Luckey. That's not weird like you said.

I understand it is tough to talk about and I know you are not coming from a bad place on this but I felt you were tiptoeing around the heart of the issue here.

So much this. I'll avoid going off on this the way I want to, because Papa Vinny asked us to keep it civil and I'll honour that. I understand why they avoided that particular aspect of it, I just wish they didn't.

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The Bestcast strikes again!

As for the Palmer Luckey discussion, I don't understand some of the comments in here. I don't think they avoided talking about any aspect of it. As they said, there's no actual evidence of white supremacy hatespeech from Nimble America. Also, maybe it wasn't clear to some people, but the crew made a distinction between someone's political leaning and the nastiness that Luckey was funding.

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"No ads" Jeff at the end sounds like a real piece of work.

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I'm the third guy who thinks the world needs more Bulletstorm. That game fucking ruled.

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Everyone, just get around to playing Thirty Flights of Loving already! it's literally 20 minutes and it's wonderful.

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Boruto is supposed to be the japanese pronunciation of the word 'bolt' (which is supposed to fit in with how naruto means swirl or something?) but how in the world it is supposed to be spelled like 'boruto' is beyond me.

note the logo

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There's never been a better time to build a pc.

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So sad about the art style change in Nidhogg 2.

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Tell me more about the state of Virginia.

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Is Jeff clicking the front page podcast link instead of going into the premium podcasts?

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@cementface9 said:

Had Palmer Luckey not been involved, the media (new and old) wouldn't be running stories about a new and dangerous Alt-Right movement, because they're not dangerous. They're not a movement. They aren't driving any real wedges between any real sides of any real discourse. Nobody who isn't already jelly-brained would ever find their ideas compelling.

I could be wrong. Maybe I'm too desensitized. Maybe I just have too much faith in humanity. I just find it hard to believe that Nimble America takes itself seriously. Ignoring them is an effortless thing.

Dude, do you live in a box or something?

People have been running stories about the alt-right for a long time. Also seemingly 40% of america is pretty friendly to a lot of their supremacist views.

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@cementface9: "Had Palmer Luckey not been involved, the media (new and old) wouldn't be running stories about a new and dangerous Alt-Right movement, because they're not dangerous."

People have writing about the "alt-right" for months, if not years. Certainly way, way, way before this Palmer Luckey news. They take themselves a lot more seriously than you suggest. They certainly portray themselves as the new face of white nationalism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/08/29/the-alt-right-explained-in-its-own-words/

Nothing about their rhetoric comes from a position of apathy or "for the lulz". Sure, it shares traits with the meme groups of the mid-2000s, but they absolutely have a meaning and purpose behind their actions.

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If the_donald is as racist and bigoted as people keep saying, wouldn't reddit shut it down like all the other racist subreddits?

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Sucks that when someone had a genuine compliant, the gist of Alex's response was get over it.