Unfinished: Metal Gear Survive 01/17/2018

this seems interesting and I obviously won't be dumb to make judgements now but from what that combat looks like...eeeeuhhgh nah not sold. I don't mind a game based around survival in the metal gear framework, I honestly don't play many of those games so this aesthetic/mgs5 engine approach might be the one I'd pick- but MAN those animations and mechanics for fighting hand to hand look so.....flat. Boring. Uninspired and I HAVE to suspect there are firearms in the game but I haven't seen any and would almost have to pass if most of the game you're scrounging for ammo desperately Last of Us style. I don't need a third person L4D, but I do need the guns from metal gear. I expect they have to be behind a couple hours of gameplay but those zombies look wack, and I really don't have enough to be excited by here. Here's hoping though!

Sorry but to me this still looks a lot like one of those asset-flip survival games on Steam but this time the assets being flipped were taken from MGSV. There's no unique style whatsoever, everything feels like a generic survival game made in Asia with aded microtransactions. It just looks and feels bad overall, and I'm not even comparing it with Metal Gear, it just feels that way on it's own.

I think the only good redeeming quality this game has going for it is the usage of the FOX Engine.

@benmo316 said:

I know. X should always be bound to "Pay Respects."

I don't think I've ever felt like I shouldn't play a game out of loyalty to someone else before.

I feel like this could be great if the map was populated with bases that had AI guards. Do you go in and shoot the place up for good weapons, but give away your position? Do you try to sneak past so the guards can kill some of your competitors?

And then of course the circle narrows down to a warehouse full of boxes 20 of them have players hiding inside of them.

You mean "Live Water"

NAKED SNAKE ATE ALL HIS FOOD RAW THIS GAME SUX

There's still something fascinating about this, but it really does seem like they just took all the most interesting mechanics away from what MGSV was. All but removing the stealth and enemy AI aspects and reducing most of the combat down to hordes of mindless zombies seems like almost the complete antithesis of what made MGSV so much fun to play. I hope I'm wrong, but unless the game drastically changes as it gets deeper in I'll definitely be passing on it.

It really does seem like it - the follow-up to a cool game with a ton of potential that completely fails to capitalise upon any of that. :D

If Brad doesn't craft a Kuban Cigar in this video I'm going to be really disappointed.

Don't drink that Raw Water

I think that "revival pill" thing is a red flag for anyone who has ever played a mobile game. I guess Jeff and I had the same thought because I could hear the skepticism in his voice at 27:45. Look at that whole interface and how it asks you to confirm if you want to use up one of your revival pills or to "give up". They'll be selling you those for sure.

Somehow they have managed to remove every single system from mgsv that made me enjoy it.

If it had an injury model similar to Robinsons Requiem then I might be back on board, there's nothing quite like a game letting you chop your own limbs off.

Seems interesting, but I don't like the story setup of the game taking place in another dimension or whatever. Not unless it ties into Death's Stranding.

I mean, this is early game? It has like tons of crazy shit in the trailers, so it will ramp to that.

This.

It's like they took everything I hate about games and made it into one game. Crafting? Check. Base building? Check. Zombies? Check. Microtransactions? Check. Timed boost microtransactions? Check. Multiple depleting meters to have to incessantly monitor? Check. Persistent status ailments? Check. Layers upon layers of bullshit "resources" you need to find/grind? Check. Story that's virtually nonexistent out of sheer laziness? Check.

I have little to no fanboyism when it comes to Metal Gear/Kojima, but this sure does looks like steamtrash in a MGSV wrapper.

Weird that they didnt give Brad a later character to play around with. For a game thats about using multiple tools to survive a zombie attack, having reviewers show off 1 weapon & a fence seems dissapointing.

"Crystal-zombies running around"

So this game is set in Oklahoma?

Why is Metal Gear still here? Just to suffer?

Obligatory "Konami wined-and-dined Giant Bomb for positive coverage!" comment.

Game looks kind of thin. The loop of loot-plant-fence-poke already looks dull. Then again, I've never been into these crafting games (excluding Fallout 4 if that counts). And if you are into that, just wait for State of Decay 2.

Absolutely no way I'm going to play this. It looks fine, a bit generic, but fine. But after what Konami did to Kojima and his team I'm definitely not giving Konami my money. If anything I'll just go back and play some more MGSV.

The next logical step now is a Battle Royale hamfistedly shoehorned into this.

I played the game for the first time last month and I have no idea what you're talking about?

That never happened to me and I never participated/needed to engage with the FOB system (other than the one they require you to build as part of the store)

I agree. I'd rather use the H button.

are you serious?

Is...this just Don't Starve by way of MGS??

Is the only thing you do live for as long as possible, or is there some kind of overarching goal/narrative?

I mean jumping on the survival band wagon is fine but what if instead they added a Battle Royale mode to MGSV

I played it in August and had no such issue.

I liked the systems in Metal Gear Solid V because it was a fun push and pull against the enemy AI. The soldiers were perfectly set up to goof on and take advantage of their intellect/ intentional lack there of in fun ways. Brad's idea of improvising is what made MGSV fun for me, while this seems less like the type of improvised gameplay I'd enjoy. The zombies in this game just look like the soldiers who were infected by the SKULLS and given a re-skin, complete with the same or very similar growling sounds.

You're probably right but in the beta at least they are also craftable (I was able to make 2 after a few hours of play) and you get one as a "daily reward" login bonus type thing. They also aren't essential at all, at least in co-op from what I've seen. It remains to be seen how they'll implement microtransactions but at least there aren't loot boxes I guess :/

I'm not gonna try to white knight this game and say everyone should play it, but I'm gonna pick it up. The co-op is a lot of fun and I have at least one friend who is also getting it, so there's that. But it's also very competently made by the looks of it. Like the story setup is garbage, and they didn't do themselves any favors by leading with that instead of gameplay trailers. But you can tell that they are actually trying to make something fun and engaging, while also being different from MGSV.

tl;dr: The loop of building a base in single player while going into co-op for more resources/shenanigans that carry over back into single player seems like a lot of fun to me. But I'm also dreading the Konami suits fucking things up like they did with V post release.

The single player part of this actually looks pretty fun, such a shame it's online only.
If only they'd add a offline profile that doesn't require online I'd actually buy this.

The most upsetting thing I’ve seen in this video, is the bonkers date format in the video file name.

No ISO 8601 for Brad?

I gotta say, it's really quite frustrating seeing some people in the comments acting almost holier than thou about others disliking it because of 'the salt' and 'just because of Konami' or because Kojima isn't involved. It's more than that, and trying to sweep anyone that doesn't like it into that group isn't right.

I personally think Kojima is a fucking hack, but Metal Gear is a historied franchise at this point and this treatment is, in my opinion, a lot like Silent Hill Pachinko. There is so obviously no creative influence on this at all, it's a game by numbers designed by suits in an executive board room looking at video game trends over the last several years in order to pull money for cheap on a brand name. I would absolutely have no problem with this if it just didn't have the Metal Gear name attached to it. I don't like survival games regardless, but any game running the FOX Engine would deserve at least a look. But this blatant, unashamed asset flip is such a slap in the face, and it really grinds my gears seeing people being belittled because of their principles regarding consumerism.

Hm...not even 30 seconds in and there are Metal Gear jokes.

I think I'm gonna pass on letting opinions ruin a game I'm likely to enjoy. This must be what Dynasty Warriors fans experience.

For whatever reason, I totally forgot about this so seeing the unfinished was quite a pleasant surprise.
Then I realized that the game will be out like next month, even better of a surprise! Still got bummed out that the beta won't be available on PC.

Had so much fun with MGSV, warts and all, that I'm really looking forward to this.

Your phone wanted to tell you that if your daughter's hunger drops to 40 she won't get any more stamina and her health won't be getting any better. Guess it's a smart phone? *ba-dum-tshh*

They definitely could throw a Snake into this game, as Brad said they do own him. In this case even, they can literally drag his dead rotting corpse back onto the screen.

Is that John de Lancie doing that AI voice? That's probably why it's good as hell.

Not just what Konami did with regards to the Kojima Productions team (not just the guy himself), but we really shouldn't forget that Konami treats its employees like trash.

Sometimes ethical consumerism is hard. Everybody has to eat, for example, and sometimes that means buying into a company's shitty practices due to cost or availability or what-have-you. But you don't have to give an entertainment company money while they treat people badly. If you care about treating people decently, you should not buy games from Konami.

(And to forestall the tired and obvious: quitting a salaryman position in Japan is historically, though it's slowly changing, a kiss-of-death type of situation and so "well why don't they just quit" can turn sideways and return to where it came from, thanks.)

@wobblysnake: I don’t know if I’d call the guy a hack.. He is largely responsible for those games and Survive is a great example that assets and an engine will only get you so far without good creative direction.

@rekatil: I should have specified that I played the game at launch and by then put 50 hours into the game. By the I've accumulated a massive amount of GMP and played the passive aspect of the FOB missions sending people out to do missions this required last I checked an online connection. I built maybe one or two FOBs. I would play online occasionally but I usually kept the game offline At some point a large update came though and I held off on updating and set the game aside.

It was after an update that somehow my available funds were untouchable and require that I log in and interact with FOB missions or play some filler missions to get out of the red or my soldiers will start leaving in mass essentially slowing my progress.

As Konami continues to Weekend at Bernies the shambling corpse of Kojima's spirit...

@oddballs: Did you play at launch and the weeks after? Or did you start playing more recently.

This is what I'm referring to:

https://www.giantbomb.com/forums/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-8968/wait-why-am-i-in-the-red-kaz-1785267/

Not my filename!

yea, i don't think this game looks great, but i do kinda want to play it, go figure

Looks like MGS is going through a bit of death stranding :D

Wait, how many XP boosters do i need to microtransact to actually complete this game? I learned my lesson about konami with that base nonsense.

@therealturk: Was it X on consoles? I'm used to only seeing F from the PC version

If this becomes a third person version of they are billions plus don’t starve I might be into this. And I would pay $5 to play as Snake.

Buuuuuut I’m going to try the beta and mostly stay away from this game until release. That’s for sure

MGS Rising.mp4

the part where all the enemies are the same damn thing, really sucks.

The writing in this seems to be classic mid level JRPG style.