Square or Octagonal Gate?

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#1 Posted by fragor87 (94 posts) -

I'm thinking about modifying my stick and was wondering what the advantages were of using a square gate or an octagonal gate.  Also, which gates work best for which characters etc.?  Currently, I'm using a Madcatz SE stick.

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#2 Posted by Necrotrophic (268 posts) -

I hate square gates. a few days ago I installed an octogate in my TE and despite the fact that I use a charge character the first thing I thought to myself when moving the stick (console off) is that it felt "fixed"


it took me about a half hour to get used to the difference in downback and now i have absolutely no issues with charging. My Hosenka is MORE accurate(chuns ultra 1) and Kikosho comes out cleanly.


the problem with square gates is finding the spots for down, forward and back. i couldnt tell you how many times i thought i was going to do a headstomp but it didnt come out. I thought my accidental jumps were because of input leniency or how the jlf is too sensitive, but for some reason switching to the octogate seems to have cleared it up.


I started to train myself to do kikosho properly with the square, and one thing i made a mental note about is to remember "that retarded feeling when you think youre down but you still have to go over some more" THEN you do the next QCF. I will admit, im a gate rider.


as for me, every single character seems easier with the octo. even guile and rog

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#3 Posted by zolloz89 (284 posts) -

octo gates are my favorite too, the input area's for each direction feel more equal than the square. id buy one and try it out. if you dont feel that you like it, just put the square back.

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#4 Posted by Jeffsekai (7159 posts) -

Square.

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#5 Posted by Dark_Jon (596 posts) -

I've heard the square is better because when people try to block by pushing down left, it sometimes just registers as down or left and they end up not blocking. If you want to be certain you're hitting those corners a square gate is probably a good idea. My stick is still on its way but I have used sticks in the past and if the majority are square gates then I should be good.

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#6 Posted by copycatzen (819 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
"Square. "

because...?
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#7 Posted by DeFrank (20 posts) -

I like square gates much better.  Especially in SFIV with the new DP shortcuts.

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#8 Posted by killroycantkill (1597 posts) -

Triangle

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#9 Posted by Supermarius (1223 posts) -

Square gate tends to be the way to go. They apparently have a smaller neutral area so you can use smaller faster motions. Also, the SF4 actual arcade cabinet is apparently a square gate, so if you want to play in a matter that most mimics the arcade game, you should avoid octagonal or circle gates. That way if you ever found yourself in front of a SF4 arcade machine, you would be able to play pretty normally right away.

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#10 Posted by lordofultima (6582 posts) -

Square gate is the most logical, although people that have trouble with inputs may want to go with an octagonal gate. (I would heed my own advice but I don't like having that many edges, it feels weird). I think what would change the most is DP motion. I couldn't cancel into demonflips or do anti-air uppercuts without the square gate since I use the d/f, d, d/f shortcut.

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#11 Edited by rlhyeung (170 posts) -

I think gate preference generally happens because someone has a history with arcades. For example, Americans used octo-gates and the Japanese used (and still use) square-gates. If you're new to arcades and arcade sticks, then you probably don't have that bias and that "comfort zone". That being said, if that is the case, you should just use what you have first and see if it REALLY is the source of any execution problems you may have. As is the norm, maybe its not the hardware but the fact that more practice is necessary. 
 
Also, I think most people use square gates nowadays especially in arcades, just in case you happen to be playing in arcades / using other people's sticks as well.

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#12 Posted by DirrtyNinja (724 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" Square gate is the most logical, although people that have trouble with inputs may want to go with an octagonal gate. (I would heed my own advice but I don't like having that many edges, it feels weird). I think what would change the most is DP motion. I couldn't cancel into demonflips or do anti-air uppercuts without the square gate since I use the d/f, d, d/f shortcut. "
tut tut
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#13 Posted by JokerSmilez (1376 posts) -

I prefer the square gates as I think it trains you to not rely on the gate to get your motions down. With the octogates, I suppose it would be easier to make certain motions by riding the edge of the gate, but I believe that by getting used to a square gate you train yourself to better control.
 
HOWEVER, not everyone can or wants to do that. It's like saying that a professional golf ball is better because you can put more spin on it, blah blah blah, but it's a bad idea for amateurs because it's so unforgiving.
 
If you're ordering a Sanwa stick and buttons from Lizard Lick or something for your SE, you may as well get an Octo gate as well. They're only like $3 and you can easily change back if you don't like it.

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#14 Posted by JJWeatherman (14942 posts) -
@Killroycantkill said:
" Triangle "
circle
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#15 Posted by OllyOxenFree (5015 posts) -

I changed mine into an octo gate as it feels more natural to me.

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#16 Posted by StaticFalconar (4918 posts) -

Square gate all the way, wouldn't believe how many times I got sweeped because I couldn't find where Down back was on an octogate. Much more freedom with a square gate even for non charge characters since finding down forward is much easier to make sure a DP comes out instead of a fireball. 

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#17 Posted by trophyhunter (6038 posts) -

square he is a charge character your not doing quarter circles 

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#18 Posted by Stonecutter (32 posts) -

Are there any retail sticks that come with an octo gate right out of the box? I hate the square gate but the idea of modding makes me hinky.

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#19 Posted by Shadow (5335 posts) -

A tricotakaidigon gate is the only way to go.

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#20 Posted by lordofultima (6582 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" @Killroycantkill said:
" Triangle "
circle "
Bummer, your ability to kill funny things is uncanny...since you know, there are circular restrictors.
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#21 Posted by JJWeatherman (14942 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" @Killroycantkill said:
" Triangle "
circle "
Bummer, your ability to kill funny things is uncanny...since you know, there are circular restrictors. "
Wow. I obviously know nothing about "sticks" and was just being an ass. You can chill out a little bit.
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#22 Posted by lordofultima (6582 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" @lordofultima said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" @Killroycantkill said:
" Triangle "
circle "
Bummer, your ability to kill funny things is uncanny...since you know, there are circular restrictors. "
Wow. I obviously know nothing about "sticks" and was just being an ass. You can chill out a little bit. "
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there.
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#23 Posted by JJWeatherman (14942 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" @lordofultima said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" @Killroycantkill said:
" Triangle "
circle "
Bummer, your ability to kill funny things is uncanny...since you know, there are circular restrictors. "
Wow. I obviously know nothing about "sticks" and was just being an ass. You can chill out a little bit. "
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. "
Well if you knew I was joking, you probably shouldn't have posted a response that made you come off as a dick. I'm sorry I even attempted humor in your sacred street fighter forum.
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#24 Edited by lordofultima (6582 posts) -
@JJWeatherman: Was merely pointing out that it was a failed attempt at humor, since circle gates do exist. Before derailing threads in the future you should actually care enough to derail the thread.
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#25 Posted by JJWeatherman (14942 posts) -
@lordofultima:  
There's some kind of bug going on here. First I never got a notification of response, and also my name is the one on the "last posted" indicator even though you have the last post as of now. I've never noticed this bug before. Usually the "last posted" column is accurate. 
 
Now this may be considered a bit of derailment.   :P
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#26 Posted by lordofultima (6582 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" @lordofultima:  
There's some kind of bug going on here. First I never got a notification of response, and also my name is the one on the "last posted" indicator even though you have the last post as of now. I've never noticed this bug before. Usually the "last posted" column is accurate. 
 
Now this may be considered a bit of derailment.   :P "
lol I noticed that, I also can't edit my post to fix the spelling error. Weird..
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#27 Posted by ImperiousRix (3095 posts) -

I used to think I liked square gates until I played on my buddy Pukit's SE stick.  There, it just felt restricting and weird.  Still, for charge characters, it's probably a more logical choice. 
Then again, seeing as I'm a stalwart D-Pad warrior, I have no authority to be saying anything on this subject.  : /

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#28 Posted by eckertmania (6 posts) -

I started in SF4 with a square gate, then switched to an octo gate, then back to a square because I felt that it would be better to learn on the square gate. That's mainly because, if I ever go to a tourney and it's a tourney for a console that I don't have, most people use square gates, so finding a stick with similar parts with an octo gate would be very difficult to do.

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#29 Posted by MarceloAbans (149 posts) -
@fragor87: Try both, it's a matter of what feels best.. I changed all the Sawa buttons becuae they didn't feel right.
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#30 Posted by xyzygy (10595 posts) -

I think Square would be awesome for moves where you need to go 7-9-1. Like Vega's jumping moves, or Guile's Double Flash. Those are the only types of moves I have trouble pulling off efficiently now.

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#31 Posted by Dan_CiTi (4666 posts) -

I've always used square. 

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#32 Posted by King9999 (663 posts) -

I'm using an octagonal gate, but I'm getting the TE stick soon, which I believe has a square gate.  Sometimes I mess up my inputs and I think the gate is part of the reason.  Also, I can't do instant Cannon Strikes consistently, so I'm hoping a square gate will fix that problem.

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