"Why Fighting Games Suck" Article

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#1 Posted by bigcess (152 posts) -

Article: http://www.examiner.com/x-13078-Xbox-360-Examiner~y2010m8d12-Why-fighting-games-suck     
 
So I started to read this article and it's clear that this guy is a bad journalist, well, as far a fact checking/researching goes. Then I started to think about it and it seems that a lot of people (at least that I know) have this negative opinion of fighting games, and some even believe this for some reason. 
 
I think the reason for people feeling this way is because a lot of information about fighting games has to be researched and isn't found in the game, per se. Like, I recently have been getting into SSFIV, after not played fighting games in years, and having to look up frame counting, canceling, option select, etc. So does anyone think this type of information should be included within the game bypassing this whole meta-game of figuring out how to play fighters?

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#2 Edited by SuperfluousMoniker (2928 posts) -

FTA:
 
"Many people complain that the yearly release of Madden is just the same game with updated rosters being repackaged and sold for full price but fighters are an even bigger offender of this. What really is the difference between Street Fighter II and Street Fighter IV? Cooler graphics? A couple new characters added to the roster? Is that really all the franchise was capable of evolving in the seventeen year  timespan between the two arcade releases?

Fighters don't really take any skill to play, either. A lot of people probably would disagree with this statement and admittedly, I am personally bad at fighters but only because I have no interest at all in playing them. Being "good" at fighters isn't so much about actually having skill as it is having experience with the game and memorizing all of a character's techniques (which can be a ridiculously lengthy list). Once you can perform any technique at will, the only thing you need to do to become "good" is play the game enough to learn what beats what. Then, when your opponent performs a Dragon Uppercut you know you have to counter with a Fireball immediately. This isn't skill at the actual game, it's just memorization of a rock, paper, scissors mechanic."
 
This guy has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
 
Edit:
 
"How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics. In most cases you also need to use teamwork to overcome the enemy team. Fighters aren't predictable at all because you never know how the other guy is going to fight. Will this guy spam jump kick? If so you just need to think about what beats that to win. Maybe will he spam Fireball so you have to think about what beats that and you'll win. Fighters come down to who has more experience to know what to do at any given moment, not about skill at the game.

The one exception to this argument would be Super Smash Brothers which took fighting games to a whole new level by taking one-on-one duels and turning them into a four player brawl."
 
This guy continues to have no fucking idea what he's talking about. Were he to post something that stupid on this forum, I'd assume he was trolling.
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#3 Posted by Malakhii (1444 posts) -

The key is when he says he sucks at fighters. So because he sucks, and won't practice to get better , he proceeds shits on the whole genre. So you can easily just counter the bullshit he's spewing with the old saying, learn2play noob. 

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#4 Posted by chstupid (800 posts) -

I feel dumber just reading that article.
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#5 Posted by StaticFalconar (4918 posts) -

The same people that doesn't see any progression in fighting games are analogous to people that sees all shooters being the same for shooting people in the head. Subtlety is hard to reach dense people.  
 
 
As far as the problem of learning overall metagame stuff that is never thought within the game itself, I'm kinda torn on that. Yes I do see your point, but the more you spoon feed someone, the more you risk trapping people's mindset into "this is the correct way of playing". At least with the community guides and vids, the process is organic and that is what makes the game last as long as it does. For example:  Justin Wong said Adon was a trash character until he ate his words by losing to Adon at Evo.  
 
Whether its Street Fighter, Starcraft (which the game only tells you what unit beats what, never this is how you scout, etc) or time tested Chess and Poker; these games have an organic meta-game that not even the makers of the game know every combination of moves or whatever. I personally like the whole reward the person that is willing to learn and think the most.

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#6 Posted by BraveToaster (12636 posts) -

This guy's an idiot. Those "legitimate reasons" of his are ridiculous. I want to spam fireball his face into dust.

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#7 Posted by pbhawks45 (819 posts) -

I'm not a fan of fighting games, but I can certainly respect the tournament level play of competitors. Shit is intense. Also: lots of game journalists are terrible.

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#8 Edited by OroJackson (688 posts) -

wow, I am simply in awe of the complete ignorance in that article, its laughable. But then again someone stupid posting something stupid on the internet is nothing new, even if he is a supposed video game "journalist"
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#9 Posted by Supermarius (1223 posts) -

the thing with fighting games is that they have a very conditional quality. Ai combat is usually not very compelling, so if you are playing singleplayer only, then they are not very good (personally i do like fighting game singleplayer but i think i am an anomaly).  If you are way better than your opponent, then they are not very good.  If your opponent is way better than you, then they are not very good.  They are pretty much only fun when both you and your human opponent are of the same skill level.  Then they are pretty much unparalled in terms of excellence. A fighting game is an elaborate set of tools and game-pieces that you have to provide all the gameplay for yourself, like a more traditional boardgame.

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#10 Posted by Dawglet (317 posts) -

That article is oozing with hypocrisy.

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#11 Edited by demontium (5084 posts) -
@Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.  
 
Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay?
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#12 Posted by Gamer_152 (14501 posts) -

This article doesn't even reserve a proper rebuttal, it just stinks of ignorance and prejudice towards fighting games.

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#13 Posted by Oldirtybearon (5626 posts) -

It's funny that the paragraph he used to describe the complexity of a FPS's multiplayer component is the exact same reason why people love fighting games. 
 
The dude does have a point about the meta-game though. If you just randomly bought a fighting game with no idea about any of that stuff--and it was nowhere to be found in the game itself--you're just setting the player up for butthurt.

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#14 Edited by Skogen (430 posts) -

That article is comical at best. 
 
Fighting games have infinite re-playability. That's the reason why people are still competitively playing fighting games that are more than a decade old...

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#15 Posted by WickedCestus (3781 posts) -

This article is kind of sickening. If you don't understand a genre of games, DON'T WRITE ABOUT IT. I used to not like fighting games or JRPGs but I never got mad about other people liking them. I kept my mind open and now two of the games I've been playing regularly recently are SSF4 and Persona 3 FES.

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#16 Posted by Vinny_Says (5914 posts) -

speaking of...anyone know how to counter el fuertes fucking dive that everybody spams (played 10 matches against and every person on xbox live spammed that same move) with a Zangief that's slow to get up?

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#17 Posted by Undeadpool (6024 posts) -

I felt this way about fighting games for awhile. Then I started playing Street Fighter 4. Then Super Street Fighter 4. THEN I started WINNING at Super Street Fighter 4. Then fighting games became AWESOME.

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#18 Posted by SpecialBuddy (1182 posts) -

  

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#19 Posted by NinjaHunter (1005 posts) -
@demontium said:

" @Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.   Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay? "
FUCK! 
 
"How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics."  
 
There is so much irony in those two sentences that I cant even... I don't know, I'm speechless.   
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#20 Posted by VicRattlehead (1417 posts) -
@NinjaHunter said:

" @demontium said:

" @Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.   Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay? "
FUCK! 
 
"How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics."   There is so much irony in those two sentences that I cant even... I don't know, I'm speechless.    "
 
 
yeh the " not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics" made me laugh quite alot.... 
 
the sad thing is this article is gonna get more hits than it deserves
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#21 Posted by StaticFalconar (4918 posts) -
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#22 Posted by Lunar_Aura (2824 posts) -

@StaticFalconar said:

"Oh, btw the authors email address:   vegeta2k1alex@yahoo.com "


Finally, we can give this man a piece of our mind in an objective and completely rational manner. And by that I mean signing him up for outrageous and legally questionable sexual interest subscriptions.

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#23 Posted by Difinity (6 posts) -

I find it so funny that he's bashing the genre on (what appears to be at least) his own interest. I thought journalists weren't supposed to bring in their own personal opinions when delivering "news." 
 
I grew up with my brother kicking my butt in every single round of every fighting game we ever played but I'm sure as hell not labeling the whole genre as garbage. Reeks of butthurt, I say.

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#24 Posted by Gambit (783 posts) -

Wow I thought for sure this was a joke article. But I guess it isn't.

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#25 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13807 posts) -
@NinjaHunter said:
" @demontium said:

" @Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.   Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay? "
FUCK! 
 
"How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics."   There is so much irony in those two sentences that I cant even... I don't know, I'm speechless.    "
This translates to" Ive been raped in every and all fighting games ever"  
 
I admit I do not like fighting games. They are just not my thing. But I will fully admit watching pros go at it is a BLAST. I love watching cut scenes with action and when pros get into it. That is what it feels like. Even better when that "mode" *Not sure of its name* Is used for SSF and they just smack each other around. 
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#26 Posted by Plasma (968 posts) -

Stop being such morons. If its a joke, then who cares? If its not, then why do you care? So what, he has a different opinion, GRRR! WHY!? Lets flame him! >:D. *sigh*  
 
Is it really that hard to agree with him? Fighting games ARE just monotonous round after round clashes, where you try new strategies, show off how well you know the game and the character's movesets. For example I think racing games are boring, as you just drive the best line over and over. 

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#27 Edited by Jack268 (3370 posts) -

This is disgusting. That man is a pitiful example of a journalist. I guess he played 2 hrs of SSFIV online and got his butt whipped? The things he talk about are fucking riddicolous. 
@NinjaHunter said:

" @demontium said:

" @Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.   Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay? "
FUCK! 
 


"How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics."   There is so much irony in those two sentences that I cant even... I don't know, I'm speechless.    " 
   
 Right on bromo sapien.    
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#28 Posted by ljgpliskin92 (191 posts) -
 " Fighters come down to who has more experience to know what to do at any given moment, not about skill at the game."
 
I really just love how his definition of "skill" is completely different than experience, knowledge, and execution.
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#29 Posted by EpicSteve (6908 posts) -

He brings up a good topic for discussion that fighters haven't evolved too much. Overall though, this man has no business getting paid to write about videogames.

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#30 Posted by Three0neFive (2387 posts) -

I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread has been trolled.
 
Because it can't be possible to be that stupid. It just can't.

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#31 Posted by Jazz (2351 posts) -

Why evolve something that doesn't really need it? 
With the majority of fighting games, if you've ever played SFII you're more than likely to be able to pull of a couple of moves. 
I'm pretty sure the text and that video are troll jobs. Smash Bros an evolution? Give me a break...

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#32 Posted by Red12b (9360 posts) -
@demontium said:
" @Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.   Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay? "
Fucking fucker wont let me fucking swear fucks sake fucking fucker. 
 
I hate the word cuss, 
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#33 Posted by Red12b (9360 posts) -
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Is that the article but in video form?  
what a fucking joke, who the fuck does he think he is? dumbass.
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#34 Posted by iFail (239 posts) -

That guy is an idiot. If fighting games took no skill, I guess I should go join some tournaments and make me some money.

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#35 Posted by EdIsCool (1140 posts) -
@Difinity said:
" I find it so funny that he's bashing the genre on (what appears to be at least) his own interest. I thought journalists weren't supposed to bring in their own personal opinions when delivering "news."   I grew up with my brother kicking my butt in every single round of every fighting game we ever played but I'm sure as hell not labeling the whole genre as garbage. Reeks of butthurt, I say. "
not news,its an opinion piece, a wonderfully arrogant opinion piece. I dont like fighters, but I would never cuss out a genre I know next to nothing about. Still the guy is getting paid writing about games. So props to him.
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#36 Posted by scarace360 (4813 posts) -
@SpecialBuddy: well isnt this guy a dumb ass.
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#37 Posted by scarace360 (4813 posts) -
@StaticFalconar: LETS BURN HIS HOUSE TO THE GROUND!
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#38 Posted by trophyhunter (6038 posts) -
@NinjaHunter said:
" @demontium said:

" @Dawglet said:

" That article is oozing with hypocrisy. "

This is my response.   Now lets all try not to freak out and cuss, okay? "
FUCK! 
 
"How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics."   There is so much irony in those two sentences that I cant even... I don't know, I'm speechless.    "
I threw up after reading those to sentences
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#39 Posted by Jeffsekai (7159 posts) -
@SpecialBuddy said:
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Dude SSBB is the best game evar!
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#40 Edited by dundisputed (42 posts) -

i could write about how i hate halo but i dont because it's just my opinion...i literally an i mean literally fell asleep at the wheel in the first chapter of Halo ODST...
why people dedicate the creative process to hatred i will never know...

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#41 Posted by drewbs (2794 posts) -

What a terrible article.

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#42 Posted by Colin (709 posts) -

The guy who wrote that article was obviously dropped on his head as a child.
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#43 Posted by NoXious (1365 posts) -
@Colin:
Hey hey hey! That ain't nice.
I was dropped on my head as a baby too and I don't agree with the writer at all!
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#44 Posted by Scooper (7920 posts) -

yo fighting games on brast yo
 
What a twat.

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#45 Edited by DragonBloodthirsty (556 posts) -

I have little respect for most journalists to begin with, since so few take even the briefest of moments to know what their job actually entails.  Clearly, the author is completely ignorant, but chose to write about his baseless opinions anyway.

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#46 Posted by Jeffsekai (7159 posts) -
@Scooper said:
" yo fighting games on brast yo  What a twat. "
yo shoutouts to fuckheads
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#47 Posted by Jack268 (3370 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
" @Scooper said:
" yo fighting games on brast yo  What a twat. "
yo shoutouts to fuckheads "
big shoutouts to the shoutouts to the fuckheads
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#48 Posted by fwylo (3571 posts) -
@Axxol said:
" This guy's an idiot. Those "legitimate reasons" of his are ridiculous. I want to spam fireball his face into dust. "
Haha nice. Got a laugh out of me.
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#49 Posted by Jeffsekai (7159 posts) -
@Jack268 said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @Scooper said:
" yo fighting games on brast yo  What a twat. "
yo shoutouts to fuckheads "
big shoutouts to the shoutouts to the fuckheads "
Yo realtalk big shoutouts to big shoutouts to shoutouts to the fuckheads.
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