Got a nice new video card coming tomorrow or Thursday and, of course, I'm going to immediately play Oblivion after I install it. :D

But I remember clearly hating two things about this game:

1) The attribute levelling system is terrible.

2) The voices.

I can ignore #2. But #1, I know there are some good mods out there that can change the way attributes and characters level. This page has quite a few listed, but I'm unclear which is "best".

Here's the ones they list:

• Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul (abbreviated as OOO): None of currently available game balancing mods are perfect, so it is hard to recommend any single one; however, Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul is likely the most popular one. New! Version 1.33 Final has been released - see here.

• Francesco's leveled creatures items mod multilanguage ("Francesco's mod"): Tired that nearly all creatures level up with you? Bored that at level 25 all bandits of the world are god-like ones with daedric equipment? Then this mod is for you. This mod has similar effects as the OOO mod above (the OOO mod has a bunch of other game balance changes also), however since designed by another individual the changes are not quite the same. It is advised to check out the list of changes for both mods before deciding upon either one.

• AF Leveling or Kobu's Character Advancement System (KCAS): If the whole idea of efficient leveling bothers you, you should try out one of these two mods. You will no longer have to worry about avoiding training the wrong skill and accidentally missing out on precious +5 attribute bonus. Lets you just play and your attributes go up automatically according to your skills.

• Simbacca's Player Advancement Method (S.P.A.M.): An alternative to the above AF and KCAS player levelling systems, S.P.A.M. also is for those who are bothered by the idea of efficient leveling. However S.P.A.M. also addresses the issue of , for example, having to make your Swordsman character use a bow, pick locks, or crawl around just to get a decent Agility increase. S.P.A.M. completely removes the connection between skill-use and attribute-increases. Instead, at-level-up attribute modifiers are determined by specialization and favored attributes. In the soon to be released S.P.A.M. ver 2.0, there will also be an optional configuration menu, allowing the player to adjust how much their attribute modifiers are affected.

• not Galsiah's Character Development (nGCD): Another alternative to AF, KCAS and S.P.A.M. nGCD is a smooth character advancement system. As your skills progress, your attributes and level are automatically increased; there is no interruption, no "level up" screen, and no time wasted managing multipliers. The system through which your abilities are derived bears little resemblance to the standard Oblivion system, and you will find that different sorts of characters play very differently; each path has great weaknesses as well as great strengths. The OMOD version is herenGCD works well together with Progress

Anyone tried these. If so, what did you think?

As for mods I've used that I liked:

• Darnified UI by DarN (1.3 MB): Includes a tweaked version of the highly popular BTMod in a convenient OBMM distribution. Includes many optional improvements that modify the UI including smaller list font, larger window sizes, and additional HUD information. Basically it's the PC interface as it should have been.

• DarkUI'd DarN by Gothic251 (16.6 MB OMOD install, 29.0 MB Manual Install): Combining DarkUI and DarNified UI flawlessly, this mod is simply the darker version of DarNified UI. Always based off the latest version of DarNified UI, combined with the last version of DarkUI by Darkbirdy, it has the modularity of DarNified UI and the dark red textures of DarkUI.

The only one out of those that I am currently using is Francesco's leveled creatures and items mod and that basically fixed all my problems with the game. If you want Oblivion to be a much more difficult challenge alltogether then, yes, OOO would be one of the best mods because it basically takes everything about Oblivion and changes it to be more akin to Morrowind (maybe harder?). You will probably end up dying a lot more but it pays off in the end when you get all the great gear and you know that you actually worked for it. If you're looking for some other good mods, you could also try ones like open cities which makes the transition from wilderness to city seamless (no loading times!!!), darker dungeons which is pretty self explanatory, and Qarl's normal maps which is just another a cosmetic mod but I like it.

Qarl's mods in general are a must-have (if you have enough VRAM, that is). :)

Thanks for the advice!

I'm also wondering if anyone's tried AF/KCAS/SPAM/nGCD here (they're listed above).

Like I said in the OP, I really don't like how attributes level up based on the number of times you used abilities under that attribute's heading before leveling up, looking for something that "fixes" or replaces that.

awesome list, I'll have to check some out, get my new PC in just a few weeks, so I'll be able to get all the nice graphic update mods as well.

"awesome list, I'll have to check some out, get my new PC in just a few weeks, so I'll be able to get all the nice graphic update mods as well."

The only two I never turn off are OOO and Bank of Cyrodiil. It's sooo helpful having a place to store your stuff where you know it'll be safe.

I reccommend  Kobu's Character Advancement System.  Its kinda hard to get it to work the way you want it but its awesome once you figure it out.   I used KCAS with OOO and with both the game leveled exactly how I wanted.

"The only two I never turn off are OOO and Bank of Cyrodiil. It's sooo helpful having a place to store your stuff where you know it'll be safe."

"I reccommend  Kobu's Character Advancement System.  Its kinda hard to get it to work the way you want it but its awesome once you figure it out.   I used KCAS with OOO and with both the game leveled exactly how I wanted.

Check this site out too. http://aelius28.googlepages.com/home.  It has tons of mods with ratings and descriptions of all the good ones.

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I use Natural Environments most. It makes the world look MUCH better.

I really need a new gaming desktop.

"I use Natural Environments most. It makes the world look MUCH better."

Hmm, thanks. Must check that out when(if) I get a new comp.

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Only mod i never turn off