Why didn't Bethesda put in children that are not of the Human category?
I want to see Dark Elf children! >:(
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Why didn't Bethesda put in children that are not of the Human category?
I want to see Dark Elf children! >:(
Am I the only one who finds the adoption thing they're adding to Hearthfire (or whatever it's called) extremely creepy?
I don't even want to think of the mods that are going to get built around it.
@Ghostiet said:
Probably the exact same reason BioWare didn't put females other than humans and asari in Mass Effect. It would require effort.
Come on, doesn't that statement seem a little silly? Skyrim and Mass Effect are obviously games that have had an incredible amount of effort put in to create them, and game development isn't just a case of putting in enough effort, it's also got everything to do with time, resources, and the skill of the people working on them (not that I'm suggesting the people at Bioware or Bethesda are unskilled).
@Ghostiet said:
Probably the exact same reason BioWare didn't put females other than humans and asari in Mass Effect. It would require effort.
Come on, doesn't that statement seem a little silly? Skyrim and Mass Effect are obviously games that have had an incredible amount of effort put in to create them, and game development isn't just a case of putting in enough effort, it's also got everything to do with time, resources, and the skill of the people working on them (not that I'm suggesting the people at Bioware or Bethesda are unskilled).
I remember someone from BioWare, I think it was Casey Hudson, stating that there are no female turians because they frankly have no idea how they look like. Which is silly, considering the characterization of turians as a militant race where everyone fights all the time and how they managed to effectively bypass that problem with asari and salarians/krogans (by making them space babes and writing a good reason for having few and well-guarded females, respectively). Which to me is kinda lazy.
And I would really, really discuss the "effort" part with Mass Effect 3, considering what an obvious mess this game is from a design stand-point, but that's a vastly different topic. PM, shall we?
Basically, I admit that was more of a jab towards BioWare than Bethesda.
@Gamer_152: Couldn't lack children or gender of non-human species be a technical limitation. I'm not a programmer or designer. I'm guessing software has memory constraints. It seems every modern game reuses the same character models to populate all the NPC in their given world. The only noticeable differences are hair/skin tones and clothing. Maybe it's me, but it seems creepy when digital children -of any kind- are in a game.
@Zleunamme said:
@Gamer_152: Couldn't lack children or gender of non-human species be a technical limitation. I'm not a programmer or designer. I'm guessing software has memory constraints. It seems every modern game reuses the same character models to populate all the NPC in their given world. The only noticeable differences are hair/skin tones and clothing. Maybe it's me, but it seems creepy when digital children -of any kind- are in a game.
Stuff like that is much more an issue to do with hardware limitations than software limitations. I suppose this could conceivably be an answer or a factor in why there are no children, but it seems very speculative, especially considering that with all the environments, models, animations, NPCs, and textures, the children would probably only have been a small piece in the grander scheme of things.
Geez, I remember people complaining that there were no children in Warcraft and now people are complaining that there are children in Skyrim. You just can't win. The adoption add-on allows players to form families like in the Sims. I don't find that creepy, but if a mind immediately goes to the gutter with such things does that mean the game element has no value at all? What a horrible world it would be if all discoveries, inventions and ideas were snuffed out because of the potential harm they might cause.
@Ghostiet said:
Probably the exact same reason BioWare didn't put females other than humans and asari in Mass Effect. It would require effort.
That's a cheap shot. Skyrim is fucking enormous. Obviously they put in work.
@Nux said:
@Hizang said:
@ScooperWhy did Bethesda put in children? They're all annoying brats.
I know right!
There is this girl in Whiterun that I want to fucking kill every time I see her.I can't stand the Jarl of Whiterun's son. I hate him and his one line of dialogue so much!
The girl I'm on about is the one that bullies this other little boy, she then proceeds to talk back at you.
@Hizang said:
@Nux said:
@Hizang said:
@ScooperWhy did Bethesda put in children? They're all annoying brats.
I know right!
There is this girl in Whiterun that I want to fucking kill every time I see her.I can't stand the Jarl of Whiterun's son. I hate him and his one line of dialogue so much!
The girl I'm on about is the one that bullies this other little boy, she then proceeds to talk back at you.
She's the one who goes on and on about fighting anyone even elders right? Man she sucks too. Its feels like the children are programed to piss us off because the developers knew we wouldn't be able to kill them. I mean it seems like almost every kid in the game has something braty to say when you talk to them.
Maybe they had trouble scaling down non-human character designs. I don't this would be a problem for the elves, but for Khajit and Argonians, the children could look real fucked up. Then again, they could get around that by saying that Khajit and Argonians don't bring their children as far north as Skyrim.
Children wouldn't be so bad if not for most games making them annoying little shitbags, that usually talk down to your character, or steal shit from you.
That's why I love the first two fallouts (NOT 3 and New Vegas, fanboy idiots), you can take a rocket launcher to a child's eyes.
Even the number of human children in the game is really low. I think the people of Tamriel are just all dying out.
@Ghostiet said:
Probably the exact same reason BioWare didn't put females other than humans and asari in Mass Effect. It would require effort.That's a cheap shot. Skyrim is fucking enormous. Obviously they put in work.
Yeah, I admit I just couldn't resist a jab at BioWare.
The quarians are an inversion and it was actually rectified in ME2. Both the salarian and krogan females are actually the same models as the males. Someone from BioWare (Hudson?) admitted that there were no female aliens in the sequels (apart from that one krogan and two salarians, which are just clothed male models) because they have no idea how they could look like - which is especially jarring with the turians, since the krogans and salarians actually have an excuse for not having ladies around. So yeah, I'm correct, since we are talking about effort put into modeling new damn characters, which is what the topic is about.
Can you plant dynamite on the kids, or the Skyrim equivalent of dynamite, like in Fallout 1? If not I really don't see the point of this DLC.
@Hizang said:
@ScooperI know right! There is this girl in Whiterun that I want to fucking kill every time I see her.Why did Bethesda put in children? They're all annoying brats.
PC console commands if your on a PC. I think you can despawn/spawn NPC's.
@Nux: i wanna kill the one that says "Another wander here to lick my fathers boots... Good Job". I fucking hate that little shit.
I just read this thread, and it made me think... Why are almost all kids in video games annoying assholes?
Because it would require effort.
On the subject of children, I love how different Bethesda and Obsidian treat children. Bethesda flaunts their immortality in front of you by making them the most annoying motherfuckers in the game. Obsidian? Well, let's just say I never felt the need to install a mod to make them mortal in New Vegas.
@leebmx said:
@Village_Guy said:
I just read this thread, and it made me think... Why are almost all kids in video games annoying assholes?
Its a faithful representation of how they are in real life.....
Alright, that is pretty accurate actually. Fuck children, they all suck.
Oh man I love the people saying "because that would require effort" none of you have any clue how hard is to make character models an animation even indivual unique models that require more work than the generic NPCs, making those charactes lips, hands and body move is pretty damn hard and it's better to put the work in the existing models instead of diverting work into something that would not look as good so yeah put more effort into your comments but what do you know about that... right.
@Ulain said:
That's why I love the first two fallouts (NOT 3 and New Vegas, fanboy idiots), you can take a rocket launcher to a child's eyes.
Don't talk shit about New Vegas man.
@familyphotoshoot said:
Am I the only one who finds the adoption thing they're adding to Hearthfire (or whatever it's called) extremely creepy?
I don't even want to think of the mods that are going to get built around it.
Uh, no? Why would this be any different then any other game that you can build a family in... The Sims... Fable etc... all let you have a spouse and kids. I don't see what is creepy about that.
@TheDudeOfGaming said:
@Ulain said:
That's why I love the first two fallouts (NOT 3 and New Vegas, fanboy idiots), you can take a rocket launcher to a child's eyes.
Don't talk shit about New Vegas man.
No, no, you misunderstand, I LOVED 3 and New Vegas, I just can't stand when people act like they're the games that started the series.
@Ulain: On the subject of Fallout (1, 2, New Vegas, take your pick) I recall that J. E. Sawyer has written a pretty good bit about children in open-world video games: They should either be killable, or they should stay completely out of the player's way and be easy to ignore.
@Scooper said:
Why did Bethesda put in children? They're all annoying brats.
I think they knew someone would make a mod to kill them and do things like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQTV43g-hAo
@Gamer_152: And there are Quarian women too. And probably others.
I really wish you could kill children on the consoles. You can take a living corpse, set it ablaze with your VOICE, stick it with arrows then CUT the muthaf*cka's head off and watch it spiral down a slope where you can then pick it up and carry it and place it in someone's bed before drinking their blood, robbing them, killing their husband, killing them, stripping their clothes down to bare panties, and then empty your inventory of onions into their front lawn, BUT AS SOON AS YOU KILL A KID, OH NO! TOO FAR??! C'mon, let us slice the little ones puleasee?? :(
As annoying as the children are in the game, it annoys me even more that ever single kid (male or female) has the EXACT same face! They couldn't even bother to make like two or three variations!
@Ghostiet said:
Probably the exact same reason BioWare didn't put females other than humans and asari in Mass Effect. It would require effort.
Quite easy to say from the comfort of your chair and the privilege of being a consumer.
Of course I should try better if I don't like something. That's the most sensible arguement.@Ghostiet said:
Probably the exact same reason BioWare didn't put females other than humans and asari in Mass Effect. It would require effort.Quite easy to say from the comfort of your chair and the privilege of being a consumer.
@JackG100: Yes, and she was the only member of her race in ME1. This is a non-argument because it doesn't pertain in any way to my complaint. And if you wanna talk about Tali, let's talk about her photograph, shall we?
Salarian and krogan females are males in robes. BioWare openly admitted that there were no female turians up until Omega because they had no idea how they look like. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't portray the turians as a heavily militaristic race were everyone regardless of gender has to go on an army tour. And yeah, mocking BW for no effort when it comes to character models is something they rightfully deserve. Look at how the characters look in vanilla ME3 and in its DLC - a random doctor who gets killed in the opening moments of Leviathan has his own, custom character model, something they couldn't afford for Kahlee Sanders. I get it it takes time and money and devs have to cut a lot of corners, but you plan for this shit in advance. They've managed to come up with justifications for the lack of female krogans and salarians and they've openly fucked it up with the turians.
I admit my initial comment is a bit too vitriolic and perhaps Bethesda got needlessly dragged into it, but I stand by it.
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