45 Percent of you will not survive the zombie apocalypse [spoil]

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#1 Posted by TwoSe7enFive (79 posts) -

Unless I am mistaken the stats at the end read that only 55 percent of people took the supplies.

I am curious if anyone has a compelling reason why you would pass up supplies in this situation.

Ultimately you are trying to ensure your and clem's survival ... an extremely large part of survival = food.

All I care about is caring for clem and keeping kenny happy so I we can get on that boat :)

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#2 Posted by golguin (5275 posts) -

It's a win win situation if you don't take the supplies. Clem wanted you to take the moral high road and a lot of people (myself included) are playing the WWCD route for cues on how to act. I knew that even if I didn't take the supplies the rest of the group would take it and we wouldn't go hungry.

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#3 Edited by LikeaSsur (1752 posts) -

Because the car lights are on, clearly the owners aren't too far away.

Just because we're thrust into a survival situation doesn't mean we have to resort to petty thievery. We're still human, let's show some dignity and respect, you know, two qualities that make us human.

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#4 Posted by Undeadpool (5896 posts) -

Honestly? After I killed Danny I needed a moral win. I was mentally exhausted and just thought that I needed to give Clem some hope that we're not just animals acting on our worst instincts. And because, as is a recurring theme within the book, if we don't hold onto our humanity, we're no better than the zombies.

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#5 Posted by Milkman (18913 posts) -

The rest of the episode was so fucked up that I needed something to remind myself that we're not all savages.

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#6 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5195 posts) -

@LikeaSsur said:

Because the car lights are on, clearly the owners aren't too far away.

Just because we're thrust into a survival situation doesn't mean we have to resort to petty thievery. We're still human, let's show some dignity and respect, you know, two qualities that make us human.

This guy is a dead weight, I say we ditch him for the good of the group.

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#7 Posted by Swifdemon (102 posts) -

I did not take the supplies since there are 3 more episodes and it's rather likely that Lee and Clem will survive them 'til the last.

A meta reason, but I'm still in good with the little one.

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#8 Posted by TheHumanDove (2520 posts) -

I did everything moral the entire episode. Didn't kill the brothers, didn't kill Larry, didn't do almost anything. However, when it came to that fucking food at the end, after we had been starving and went through hell, you're damn right I said we should take the supplies.

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#9 Posted by LikeaSsur (1752 posts) -

@Mr_Skeleton: Wonderful logic there. I must have you on my zombie survival team.

Wait, never mind. You'll be one of the first to go. Go ahead and deny all you want, but we both know the truth.

*Waits for the inevitable sarcastic reply*

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#10 Posted by supertuna (84 posts) -

I did it for Clem.

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#11 Posted by hbkdx12 (800 posts) -
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I did it for Clem.

Pretty much. Especially after she saw me kill one of the brothers, i didn't want Clem to feel like she was "alone"  and that i wasn't someone she could look up to.
 
If it were anybody else besides Clem (or someone in addition to Clem) I'm pretty sure i would have taken the supplies.
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#12 Posted by MegaMetaTurtle (419 posts) -
@TheHumanDove

I did everything moral the entire episode. Didn't kill the brothers, didn't kill Larry, didn't do almost anything. However, when it came to that fucking food at the end, after we had been starving and went through hell, you're damn right I said we should take the supplies.

This (Apart from me killing the first brother. Didn't want him coming out of the barn near the end and killing someone).

Plus, what kind of idiot leaves all that food in a car, with the lights on, with the doors unlocked. The group probably wouldn't have even noticed it. And if we hadn't taken it, someone else would.

In real life I would have only taken half of it, at least leave some for them (or whomever came along next).
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#13 Posted by Draugen (900 posts) -

@TwoSe7enFive: My compelling reason is that it's a video game, and I doubt that I'll die of starvation after two out of five episodes. :P

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#14 Posted by SeanFoster (958 posts) -

I felt like after murdering one of the brothers in front of Clem, and my rapidly deteriorating relationship with Kenny, it made the most intriguing option narratively to side with Clem and oppose Kenny in that final decision and see where it takes me in episode 3.

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#15 Posted by jking47 (1290 posts) -

I did not take it because I am no bandit. Even in that kind of fucked up situation, you should not steal things when the people are obviously nearby. My question is, only something like 15% of people killed both brothers. What the fuck are you people thinking?! Letting either of them live means they will either have a grudge against you and hunt you down, or they will stay on that farm and keep luring survivors in and EATING THEM! That is not something that should be left behind. They are no better than, if not worse than, the walkers, because they have the choice.

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#16 Posted by Mahogany (24 posts) -

I wanted to take it, but I'd disappointed Clem so much already...

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#17 Posted by sublime90 (562 posts) -

i didnt think twice. im looking out for our group, no one around? OUR food now. clem will forgive me with a fat full belly.

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#18 Posted by FifiChiaPet (48 posts) -

@jking47 said:

I did not take it because I am no bandit. Even in that kind of fucked up situation, you should not steal things when the people are obviously nearby. My question is, only something like 15% of people killed both brothers. What the fuck are you people thinking?! Letting either of them live means they will either have a grudge against you and hunt you down, or they will stay on that farm and keep luring survivors in and EATING THEM! That is not something that should be left behind. They are no better than, if not worse than, the walkers, because they have the choice.

I didn't kill both brothers, but both brothers are dead. I, like many, stabbed Danny. I finished him very quickly--without letting him speak. I wanted to keep the momentum going and ran off quickly to help the others. After Brenda was being devoured, I fought Andy with him flying into the electric fence. He now had symptoms similar to a stroke victim and is severely weakened.

I made it clear to him that his family wasn't coming to help him and walked away as Zombie Mom is walking to finish off the last family member. He's dead. If Tell Tale tries to force the character back into the story down the line, I will be very disappointed.

As for the food, I didn't take it because it would have acted against the character I've chosen Lee to be. 'When we're confronted, we fight back to ensure that our attackers can never harm us again. But we're not parasites.' That's Lee's line in my game.

If I ever faced the option, I would probably take the food. But I'm not naive enough to assume I'd live long enough for the opportunity to find out.

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#19 Posted by Tonyyj (154 posts) -

@FifiChiaPet: That's weird, so he went into the electric fence and didn't die? The way I ended up killing him was actually by kicking him into the fence.. Did you have the scene where you got the option to pound his face into the ground?

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#20 Edited by jillsandwich (804 posts) -

We can't just start fucking dogs and killing fools when the apocalypse comes. Order and standards have to be maintained.

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#21 Posted by ItBeStefYo (1096 posts) -

People choosing not to take it for "meta" reasons is piss poor.

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#22 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3053 posts) -

I had just smoked three people in front of her in a short period of time, I felt like I owed it to her to show her I wasn't a monster, just trying to protect us.

Even though, deep down, I killed Larry because of what the fucker did to me in the first episode. Kill or be killed you dumb motherfucker, should have finished me when you had the chance!

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#23 Posted by CatsAkimbo (787 posts) -

I felt like I was being watched, so no, I didn't take it.

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#24 Posted by VoodooTatum (106 posts) -

People are acting like Clem knows best. She is a little girl. Never listen to a little girl in a survival situation. If you do you will end up having a tea party with a bunch of walkers.

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#25 Posted by TheHT (14302 posts) -

I wish I could have just taken some supplies instead of clearing our the whole damn thing, just in case there were in fact living folks on their way back.

Of course, with bandits in the area, there's no telling how long it would have lasted anyways, let alone if the owners would have survived an encounter with them.

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#26 Posted by Brodehouse (10827 posts) -

It's people like you who immediately assume the only way to survive will to be as big an asshole as possible who will be the ones who die. Because the part these zombie apocalypse things don't want you to figure out, is that society would rebuild within a couple days. The idea that we're this close to becoming wandering gangs in the wasteland out to fuck up Kenshiro's day is bananas. The last time humanity dealt with a dark wilderness full of creatures that want to eat us; we built Rome.

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#27 Edited by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

Because I don't want to lead Clem down the path of sociopathy. I knew the other survivors would take the supplies, and share them with us anyway; but so long as I am playing the role model of a kid I'm not going to teach them how to be a rogue.

Edit: Also I had brutally murdered one of the brothers with a meat hook, in front of Clem. Then shot the other. The guilt from that definitely swayed my decision.

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#28 Posted by scarace360 (4813 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

It's people like you who immediately assume the only way to survive will to be as big an asshole as possible who will be the ones who die. Because the part these zombie apocalypse things don't want you to figure out, is that society would rebuild within a couple days. The idea that we're this close to becoming wandering gangs in the wasteland out to fuck up Kenshiro's day is bananas. The last time humanity dealt with a dark wilderness full of creatures that want to eat us; we built Rome.

Hey hey im not out to fuck up Kens day im there to drive him around in a sweet car.

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#29 Edited by BabyChooChoo (6553 posts) -

I didn't take the food because I don't think I could do it in real life. Of course, I say this on a full stomach while sitting comfortably in my own home without a world-ending disaster outside so obviously I haven't been pushed to the brink like the characters in the game haha. That said, I made the call not to touch the food and only time will tell if I made a good call...

...when the heck is episode 3 coming out?

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#30 Posted by nintendoeats (6221 posts) -

None of us will survive the zombie apocalypse.

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#31 Posted by Brodehouse (10827 posts) -
@scarace360

@Brodehouse said:

It's people like you who immediately assume the only way to survive will to be as big an asshole as possible who will be the ones who die. Because the part these zombie apocalypse things don't want you to figure out, is that society would rebuild within a couple days. The idea that we're this close to becoming wandering gangs in the wasteland out to fuck up Kenshiro's day is bananas. The last time humanity dealt with a dark wilderness full of creatures that want to eat us; we built Rome.

Hey hey im not out to fuck up Kens day im there to drive him around in a sweet car.

You're already dead..!
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#32 Posted by Sweep (10171 posts) -

@jillsandwich said:

We can't just start fucking dogs and killing fools when the apocalypse comes. Order and standards have to be maintained.

"Standards" are subjective. I trust myself to act with moral integrity, but if I have to kill or steal or lie to survive then I will.

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#33 Posted by Twinsun (742 posts) -

@Undeadpool said:

Honestly? After I killed Danny I needed a moral win. I was mentally exhausted and just thought that I needed to give Clem some hope that we're not just animals acting on our worst instincts. And because, as is a recurring theme within the book, if we don't hold onto our humanity, we're no better than the zombies.

Pretty much the same for me.

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#34 Posted by scarace360 (4813 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

@scarace360

@Brodehouse said:

It's people like you who immediately assume the only way to survive will to be as big an asshole as possible who will be the ones who die. Because the part these zombie apocalypse things don't want you to figure out, is that society would rebuild within a couple days. The idea that we're this close to becoming wandering gangs in the wasteland out to fuck up Kenshiro's day is bananas. The last time humanity dealt with a dark wilderness full of creatures that want to eat us; we built Rome.

Hey hey im not out to fuck up Kens day im there to drive him around in a sweet car.

You're already dead..!

NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!

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#35 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6117 posts) -

@LikeaSsur said:

Because the car lights are on, clearly the owners aren't too far away.

Just because we're thrust into a survival situation doesn't mean we have to resort to petty thievery. We're still human, let's show some dignity and respect, you know, two qualities that make us human.

....That's not the way real life apocalypse will go down, if it ever does. Be comforted by the fact that your moral values will probably lead to your death, and that someone will loot your corpse, thus allowing them to survive.

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#36 Posted by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

@TheDudeOfGaming: You sound like an expert. Do enlighten us with tales of these apocalypses you have personally survived.

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#37 Edited by psylah (2292 posts) -

By doing the "nice" thing in front of Clem, you're doing her a huge disservice.

Removing the brothers, who would be a future threat to the group and others, is essential to survival.

Taking the food from that car was essential to their survival.

Since I care about Clementine and want her to survive this zombie apocalypse to become hard-as-nails, I'll do what it takes to be an example of that.

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#38 Edited by leftie68 (227 posts) -

The whole point of the game, in my opinion, is to play the game as if you were in the leading role, not to script it out like the good guy knowing that there were 3 more episodes left, and YOU would somehow survive. Hell ya I took the food, as would 99% of you. Especially if a young life that I cared about was relying on me.

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#39 Posted by ozzdog12 (1116 posts) -

I took it because I didnt eat the dude and I was hungry

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#40 Posted by AndrewB (7814 posts) -

@leftie68 said:

The whole point of the game, in my opinion, is to play the game as if you were in the leading role, not to script it out like the good guy knowing that there were 3 more episodes left, and YOU would somehow survive. Hell ya I took the food, as would 99% of you. Especially if a young life that I cared about was relying on me.

I wish I could play it like that, but unfortunately I find myself playing more like maximizing how I expect the writers to follow up on their choices. Making sure not to give people the impression that I'm a bloodthirsty killer by not murdering an otherwise defeated human, and at least showing reluctance in not taking the food from the car, seemed like logical choices to make thinking about problems you're obviously going to have to face in the future.

If the writing goes in a different direction than I think it's going, I'll be both happily surprised and a little screwed.

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#41 Posted by Brodehouse (10827 posts) -
@psylah

By doing the "nice" thing in front of Clem, you're doing her a huge disservice.

Removing the brothers, who would be a future threat to the group and others, is essential to survival.

Taking the food from that car was essential to their survival.

Since I care about Clementine and want her to survive this zombie apocalypse to become hard-as-nails, I'll do what it takes to be an example of that.

Well, actually no. Consider the bandits in the woods, who kill each other over disagreements and attack anyone they can take something from. You're only turning Clem into one of them. You're not teaching her to protect herself and others, you're teaching her to prey on others to the benefit of herself, just like the brothers on the farm. The end result of turning someone into a ruthless individualist with no concern for the well being of others means that she kills you in your sleep for the batteries in your pocket. That's taking what you need for your own survival. That's exactly what the bandits do when it's convenient.

The core truth of all human social history is that those who work together overcome those who are alone. Tribal societies overcame loners, bands overcame tribes, nations overcame bands and so on to here.

Of course in all post-apocalyptic stuff they assume people suddenly devolve 5000 years. They completely discount humanty's creativity and social instincts in favor of insane man-versus-man scenarios for cheap drama. It's insane to think people will fight to the death over scavenged food rather than working together to make new food. Remember that we lived in the wilderness with no knowledge other than how to make a sharp stick and we somehow managed to build cities from nothing. In an era where we can make our own concrete we will not have to resort to piling wrecked cars up to build walls. We might not be able to drill and refine our own gasoline; we haven't forgotten how to make a wheel or pulley though. The only way the post-apocalypse happens and we don't have it mostly dealt with in a year is if the apocalypse specifically targets engineers and anyone who passed the 8th grade.
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#42 Posted by Brodehouse (10827 posts) -
@leftie68

The whole point of the game, in my opinion, is to play the game as if you were in the leading role, not to script it out like the good guy knowing that there were 3 more episodes left, and YOU would somehow survive. Hell ya I took the food, as would 99% of you. Especially if a young life that I cared about was relying on me.

The option I wanted wasn't there; wait for the guy, make a deal with him or offer to come along because there's strength in numbers. He's actually better off with us sharing his little bit of food than he is by himself with plenty of food. Then again, this is fiction where people have no concept of the long term.
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#43 Posted by Dagbiker (7041 posts) -

I took the supply's, but Clems face, and reaction made me feel really bad about it.

But I'm doing a No Regrets run, and sticking with my choices until the end. Then I might do another replay.

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#44 Posted by psylah (2292 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

@psylah

By doing the "nice" thing in front of Clem, you're doing her a huge disservice.

Removing the brothers, who would be a future threat to the group and others, is essential to survival.

Taking the food from that car was essential to their survival.

Since I care about Clementine and want her to survive this zombie apocalypse to become hard-as-nails, I'll do what it takes to be an example of that.

Well, actually no. Consider the bandits in the woods, who kill each other over disagreements and attack anyone they can take something from. You're only turning Clem into one of them. You're not teaching her to protect herself and others, you're teaching her to prey on others to the benefit of herself, just like the brothers on the farm. The end result of turning someone into a ruthless individualist with no concern for the well being of others means that she kills you in your sleep for the batteries in your pocket. That's taking what you need for your own survival. That's exactly what the bandits do when it's convenient. The core truth of all human social history is that those who work together overcome those who are alone. Tribal societies overcame loners, bands overcame tribes, nations overcame bands and so on to here. Of course in all post-apocalyptic stuff they assume people suddenly devolve 5000 years. They completely discount humanty's creativity and social instincts in favor of insane man-versus-man scenarios for cheap drama. It's insane to think people will fight to the death over scavenged food rather than working together to make new food. Remember that we lived in the wilderness with no knowledge other than how to make a sharp stick and we somehow managed to build cities from nothing. In an era where we can make our own concrete we will not have to resort to piling wrecked cars up to build walls. We might not be able to drill and refine our own gasoline; we haven't forgotten how to make a wheel or pulley though. The only way the post-apocalypse happens and we don't have it mostly dealt with in a year is if the apocalypse specifically targets engineers and anyone who passed the 8th grade.

Sounds like something someone with no food would say.

While you're carebearing it up, I'm dining on twinkies and baked beans.

NOW who's the surv.... oh god what have I done...

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#45 Posted by Brodehouse (10827 posts) -
@psylah Hey, in majority of games I make the cynical pick. I think most games let you be an idealist and get away with it too much (fucking Mass Effect). But in this one it's almost nonsensical. Life has more gradients between starvation and complete barbarism. But like I said, almost everything about post-apocalypse doesn't make any sense. It's just designed for drama.
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#46 Posted by LikeaSsur (1752 posts) -

@TheDudeOfGaming: When I die in this "real life" apocalypse, I'll die with dignity and honor. Could you say the same?

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#47 Edited by AlphaDormante (45 posts) -

I'd killed both Larry and Danny, and to be honest, I was tired of having to explain to Clem why I was doing such awful things. I wanted the supplies like hell, but with Clementine there...it's going to be hard to protect her if she starts seeing me as an irredeemable monster.

...but even with that said, I would have taken the supplies if not for one very specific reason: everyone else was looting it anyway. I'm pretty much relying on them to not let us starve. I doubt it'll take much pressing for at least Clem to eat when she gets really hungry. I guess it's a little manipulative and dishonest, but it's nothing she wouldn't understand when she gets older. Hopefully.

And if the others don't share, I'll just have to kill them.

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#48 Posted by MistaSparkle (2285 posts) -

Man, me and Clem are like this (*does that 2 fingers crossed "tight" symbol)! She knows right from wrong, and so do I. Even though Lee killed that one guy his wife had an affair with, I've been trying to have him do the right things from here on out. Haven't killed anyone I didn't need to kill yet, I've been straight up honest with Clem, and we're going to make it through this damn game making moral decisions. Everything's going to be fiiiiiiine.

I love that we can have these sorts of discussions about a game, and it's interesting to see everyone's different reactions to the situations!

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#49 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

At first I thought it was the right choice to take the supplies, as the car seemed abandoned. But while emptying it completely I felt bad, ultimately reloaded and decided not to take the supplies.

After all you don't know if anyone would return, it's theft and my conscience didn't allow it.

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#50 Posted by EvilNiGHTS (1169 posts) -

At the time I think I went with the reasoning that if Kenny thinks it's a good idea, then it's probably a dick move. That strategy worked pretty well for the whole thing, really.

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