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#151  Edited By ithmoliar

This article is awesome, Patrick, you hit a home run.

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generally fucking disgusting how people show no remorse and believe their own bullshit.

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#153  Edited By Griffinmills

@dandead said:

This is nothing new to puzzle gaming. Remember all of those copies/remakes of Tetris and Puzzle Bubble? Heck even Popcap has straight up ripped off Blasitic (Zuma} and Magical Drop (Astropop).Good ideas are always reused, this has now only become a problem because before people just paid for the game, now it's all funded by adverts.

HA, heck yeah Ballistic / Puzz Loop vs. Zuma. I very much remember, with Zuma, thinking, "This is SO much better than that crap old arcade game." That's the way to "clone" a game, make a better one in damn near every respect, audio, graphics, gameplay loop. Cloning leads to weird stuff like Giana Sisters and the kookiness that has grown out of that rip/spin-off. Though, I have to admit, I'm biased a bit in favor of allowing some leeway on the clone side mainly because I'm not a fan of our current copyright system in the U.S. I'd settle for a far shorter duration of copyright since people will probably flip out at the concept of no copyrights at all.

@sooty said:

How deliciously embarrassing for Mr. Wahlberg.

Well lets be fair, Arrested Development the show is over a decade old! I knew what Scoops was referencing but why would I if I was a much younger person? Or even from another country, etc. I prefer to think he was just sharing the joy of Arrested Development instead of shaming someone which would just be petty. =)

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Good article. I think this is a really important topic and I wish more people would start thinking about this issue and maybe begin to boycott such clones/copycats completely...but then again, I really don't care about mobile gaming that much (The iOS/Android market is a mess imho) and I think this problem is not going away anytime soon.

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Wait, did Jason say that Monster Grow was made for "kids and girls" implying that 1024 is too difficult for girls because of math? Or am I misinterpreting that?

I'd guess he meant "girls just don't tend to like math as much," but that's not much better and probably not true at all anyway.

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I don't mind so much if game devs borrow small PARTS from other games in an attempt to improve on them. What i do have a problem with is games like candy crush saga that basically steals an already existing game (bejeweled) and only makes it look graphically different (and then have the audacity to go out in public and proclaim that "we don't clone other games"). Or games like Skyfar, a theft so blatantly obvious the "dev" could only manage to alter the color a little bit before his coding skills presumably failed him...

That said, you just don't clone games, not for any reason. Even another clone thinking "ah well, the damage has already been made". Not even if you plan to release the game for free because "it's not compatible with my 17th century phone". NOT EVEN FOR YOUR "GIRLFRIEND" (lamest fucking lie i've EVER heard). If you're so artistically useless that you can't come up with a game design of your own then DON'T STEAL OTHERS WORK, PERIOD!

Seriously, both Apple and Google needs to start to care about the shit that gets put up on their stores beyond checking if the apps contain porn or not or is outright illegal.... And the USERS of those stores needs to start getting some morale and ethics back in their lives and stop supporting shit developers.

I mean, if these morons tried the same shit with a PC game from EA or Activision, you could bet that they would sue them so hard even their great great great great great great great grand kids would feel it.... Not to mention that those companies also have games on the mobile market, but apparently no one tries to clone those. I wonder why.... oh wait, because they'd get SUED! So they only steal from other indie devs because they know they don't have the money to press legal actions...

Oh and while you're at it, stop supporting games with paywalls or "pay to skip" services as well...

Rant over.

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#159  Edited By Chop

This is one of more interesting pieces of real ass video games journalism I've read. gg Scoops.

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@foil1212: to be perfectly honest, I think he's banned from adsense anyway >.>

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#161  Edited By mason

Clones of clones have turned mobile app stores into an utter trash heap. Every day for the past couple of months I've checked the new releases, because I'm weirdly fascinated. Every day there are cheaply made clones of established games that have a simple enough mechanic that anyone can take their half-assed shot.

Like when you see the millionth "look into a cartoon mouth" dentist game for kids, or the billionth bloody endless runner.

Clones are one thing, but the clones of clones of clones embody the thing I hate about the internet. Which is the "me too" meme culture, where all people do is repeat things that were repeated already, and it becomes meaningless.

It quickly becomes a snake-eating-its-own-tail situation. Like when one flappy bird clone used a floating Miley Cyrus head, it became a big seller. Then suddenly you had dozens of flappy Mileys, then flappy Beibers, flappy Drakes, flappy Gagas, and so forth. What is the symbolism of so many games of celeb heads floating over pipes? It's like something an alien would come up with.

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Great article, Patrick. Very thoughtful. Thank you.

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@mr_skeleton: Copying your own tweets in an article about game cloning? So very meta...

“Good artists copy, great artists steal."

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#164  Edited By brotherstereo

Great article Patrick!

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@mr_skeleton:

I've seen him do that a lot. It's fucking weird.

@tdot said:

No one would be mad if King actually sued people for infringing on their property. King sued devs who made games that King actually ripped off all because they could afford lawyers and other devs could not. Threes actually have been ripped off and can't do anything.

It's actually pretty amazing how many people are actually defending completely ripping off an original idea and profiting off someone else's work without giving them any credit. But it's sort of that society we've all grown accustomed to. No morals or ethics as long as you make money.

Actually.

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#167  Edited By Fallen189

It's a shame how agressively rude you are towards the guy in question who you couldn't get hold of. Maybe he just didn't want to talk to you because he's concerned you'd spin it off. You should know where the line is. If someone doesn't want to talk to you, you shouldn't push them. I teach children who are 7 years old and they know this, it's just common human decency. If someone wants to talk to you and you don't want to, you just don't respond to them because you might make it worse.

It's a bit of a shame really. You claim to be a journalist who's in the past, complained and wrote articles etc about the internet and discourse of "bullying" in the online age. Just because you say the word "Journalist" doesn't mean that what you say has any less impact on the people you report on.

I know this won't get through, so there's not much point in writing. I just hope in the future you could consider the fact that a lot of people read your writing, and how you can seriously affect other peoples lives.

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Read about a third of it before stopping. The pictures of all the clone games just got to me. I never look at games for mobile anymore; it's hard to look at the names and icons and not immediately know how disgusting all of it's become.

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Klepek is there anyone in this industry you don't occasionally share an office with?

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#171  Edited By revel

You could always get a robot to play Threes for you like Matthew Wegner did! http://kotaku.com/watch-a-robot-play-a-puzzle-game-live-1558469285

I like this robot better than the ones that are cloning games.

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Loving the long-form articles. Here and Polygon know to game journo.

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He must be good if people keep copying him. Perhaps next time he could release his games for PS4 and Xbox One, which are now more accepting of indie's games, but are still stringent enough to keep clones and other rubbish off their marketplaces.

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@monkeyman04: I'm disappointed that the Tumblr response (I won't use the term apology, because it's not) isn't up on Giant Bomb too. This isn't the first time that there has been a journalistic fuck-up, but by deleting the tweet and burying the retraction on an unrelated personal site it seems like a coverup, something that is being played down as less serious than it really is.

Patrick uses both his Twitter and Tumblr for GB business; like it or not, he is representing the whole site and leveraging an audience that likely wouldn't exist without GB.

In the past Patrick has been happy enough to call out and condemn others for thoughtless or careless behaviour on the internet. Writing at length about how destructive and personally hurtful the internet can be, then describing people as 'pieces of human shit' on camera.

To have learned nothing from all this is hypocrisy, and dishonest. Practice what you preach.

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#175  Edited By mithical

@monkeyman04: I'm disappointed that the Tumblr response (I won't use the term apology, because it's not) isn't up on Giant Bomb too. This isn't the first time that there has been a journalistic fuck-up, but by deleting the tweet and burying the retraction on an unrelated personal site it seems like a coverup, something that is being played down as less serious than it really is.

Patrick uses both his Twitter and Tumblr for GB business; like it or not, he is representing the whole site and leveraging an audience that likely wouldn't exist without GB.

In the past Patrick has been happy enough to call out and condemn others for thoughtless or careless behaviour on the internet. Writing at length about how destructive and personally hurtful the internet can be, then describing people as 'pieces of human shit' on camera.

To have learned nothing from all this is hypocrisy, and dishonest. Practice what you preach.

If it's any consolation, I found the tumblr response on the Giant Bomb twitter feed.

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#176  Edited By fatalbanana

@thiago123 said:

"There's money in this banana stand." I see what you did there.

Isn't there a whole thing about how basically all farmed banana trees are genetically identical, which means that when the shit finally goes down on a banana plantation, they're all completely fucked?

Not saying that's what Scoops meant, but there's a deeper lesson to this banana.

Ahhhhhhhh!

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#179  Edited By jasondesante

Very well done Tricky. I'm going to get my dad to read this! You've proven once again why you are my favorite gaming journalist. :D

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Awesome article Patrick.

“I’m trying to go towards the uncloneable games,”

With this final quote in the article, I think there could be further research and thought about big budget games that produce clones that attempt to ride their popularity wave, and the length of that popularity wave compared to the smaller popularity lengths of mobile games. Is there less damage done to big budget games, by clones, because people pay attention to them longer than a mobile puzzle game? Or do some mobile games stay popular as long as big budget games?

Either way, I found this quote interesting. I'm interested to see what type of game he will make in the future.

All the luck to those developers that lose business due to the greed and laziness of other.

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#183  Edited By MasterRain

Giantbomb is such an odd site. You have quicklooks and the podcast, which are just about the simplest content you can produce. Then you have Patrick's articles which are without doubt the best written/researched articles I read about games.

I like them both, but its such a dichotomy to have on the same site!

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They all seem like pretty piss poor excuses to make money of someone else's idea.

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I think clones can be good for gaming in the long run, though this may do little to help the developers of the original game and it certainly doesn't serve as any form of justification for those who try to make money simply by 'riding the wave'.

A single popular game with some neat ideas remains just that - 'a game'. However, when enough similar games (or blatant copies) come out, it reinforces the existence of certain elements and turns 'a game' into 'a genre'. Furthermore, when things start to get stale people decide to innovate on the genre (ex: Puzzle Quest) or they start to bring the genre's big elements to other genres (ex: procedural world generation would almost certainly not be as widespread these days if Minecraft hadn't exploded quite the way it did).

Basically, cloning is usually a terrible issue for whoever made the original game, but something really neat and unexpected may come from it down the road.

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Free replacements for proprietary software have existed since GNU in 1983. It's great that 2048 exists, because now less people will play the proprietary game. So go play 2048, everyone!

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Mobile is a pretty dumb platform. Let's drop it!

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got threes after reading this, its design is really cute and the score is great!

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