I was undecided on which one to get and opted to get UFC after playing the hec out of the demo.  I was still ready to buy FN4 when it came out though, since I have enjoyed the series since my PS2 days.  But, after playing the 360 demo for FN4 today, I think I will wait for a price drop on it.

For me UFC is the superior game thus far.  Just comparing the demos for both games UFC is much more to my liking than FN4.  UFC is much faster and the controls or more responsive.  I also feel there's more strategy involved in UFC, as you have to account for the "Ground Game".

I did play one match online and encountered ALOT of lag.  But, I do not play many games online so that's not a showstopper for me.  I really think the lag will be fixed eventually though as the game looks to be popular.

MMA Fighting will never take out boxing. YOU HEAR ME!? NEVER!!!!

I was extremely disappointed with the FNR4 demo.

boxing is not in trouble, i don't care what your deep down inside feelings are. 

You guys seriously think like this? so your saying a top boxer would walk all over a top MMA fighter?

The fact is that although boxers would be damn good with their hands which is obvious, let me ask you:

how would they handle being taken down? being pulled into a strong Muay Thai clinch? put into a submission hold?....... Defeat would be a definite in all those cases plus more.


And you want to know what would truly destroy a guy who only knows how to box? elbows and knees can get inside a boxers guard like you would not believe and this is why MMA fighters must Learn Multiple disciplines as without a good ground game or at least an understanding of how elbows, knees and kicks works they wouldn't last 10 seconds, for example the kicks of Mirko Cro Cop are just as deadly as any boxers punches period.

Oh and MMA fighters can take a punch with the tiny UFC gloves, I think a boxer would get a big shock taking blows from them after being used to such big gloves for years never mind the fact that a boxers guard will be seriously reduced without boxing gloves.

Arguing about whether a boxer could beat a MMA fighter is like trying to decide if your favorite soccer team could beat your favorite basketball team. I love boxing because its strategy element is as deep as the physical element and it has such a rich history. I can understand why people like MMA, but I just don't think it comes close to being a greater sport. Maybe it will mature over time into something as great.

Don't just judge boxing on its popularity. There's a lot to compete with in the world today. I think the 147-lb welterweight class has some of the best fighters boxing's ever seen right now. Eventually someone in MMA might emerge to be an Ali, Foreman, Johnson, Marciano, Dempsey, Whitaker, Leonard or Duran but the sport's too young to have produced anyone as good as any of those guys.

Ali was as important a cultural icon in the 60s as the Beatles.
Johnson was for more than a decade "the most famous and the most notorious African-American on Earth."
De La Hoya has defeated 17 world champions and has won 10 world titles in six different weight classes. He has also generated more money than any other boxer in the history of the sport.
Even before his arrest and the ear incident, Tyson was famous enough to have songs and TV comedy skits based on him.
Pacquiao is probably one of the most famous Filipinos in history and is one of his country's biggest cultural figures with his philanthropy and involvement in politics.
Ali, Lamotta, Louis, Tyson,  Pacquiao, Graziano, Braddock and Johnson have all had movies made about their lives.

Tell me something about the top MMA guys.

All I can add to this discussion is that there are MMA fighters that train very heavily in boxing technique as a striking style, and a few that are accomplished boxers, if only in an amateur capacity; Mirko Crocop comes to mind. While I realize that it's impossible to say which sport is "better," there should be no argument that MMA athletes are better fighters in the purest sense of the word, having far more rounded skill sets that often overlap those of boxers. If a boxer were to enter MMA competition in a serious capacity, I don't doubt that they would be very dangerous strikers, but faced with an opponent who has trained in BJJ or amateur wrestling since childhood, a boxer who has trained in ground technique only by necessity would need to be very careful. Realistically, I don't think an excellent boxer can aspire to much more than a sprawl-and-brawl style with unusally accurate striking. Time will tell though, I suppose, as it probably won't be long before a notable and skilled enough boxer makes the jump.

UFC is really making martial arts look bad and I can't even stand to watch it on TV, but from what I've seen the game is better than FNR4. It's lacking the 'punch' round 3 had...

hard to beat a satisfying hey-maker connecting. POW! right in the kisser!

I'd like to see a boxer put against Anderson Silva or Fedor, I think it would be a fair match then.

Anyone hear Jeff on this weeks bombcast?

case closed!