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Posted By EpicBenjamin

I loved what they showed of it and I think the new voice actor is good, but I just don't understand why you play as Sam again, I mean, they made him look younger even though he is in his mid 50s, and changed voice actor, so why not just play as a new guy? Really hope they justify it in the story, because Conviction seemed like a fitting end to the Sam Fisher character.

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Posted By ToTheNines

Least try to pick a guy that sounds a bit like Ironside.. c'mon

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Posted By gsGaret

The game looks good, I just don't really see it as a splinter cell game.

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Posted By TiE23

I think they're using artistic license. Sam Fisher was born in 1957, so today he'd be 55. And in Conviction, looking it up it took place "three years after Double Agent", which looking up was 2007. So he was 53 in Conviction.

I honestly think they're doing artistic license where it's a world where Sam Fisher was born in say... 1975, so in this 2015-ish feeling setting in Blacklist he can be plausibly fit and young-ish. I think that would explain "Fourth Echelon", his youth, and his sudden decision to not totally go live in a log cabin in Saskatchewan to hide from the government.

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Posted By wardcleaver

@ChaosTony said:

@NickM: Uh yeah, *SC Double Agent Spoilers* well he kinda was on the run after blowing a deep cover operation where he discovered his employers killed his daughter. Sounding "less-than-sober" is pretty spot-on.

@wardcleaver: That doesn't even make sense. If it's a sequel, what logical reason is there to change the voice actor?

Sorry, I meant that they should ditch Sam Fisher and go with a new character.

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Posted By ocdog45

always had a soft spot for splinter cell. the voice is weird.

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Posted By maverick_76

Looks cool but I think QTE's are getting overplayed these days. I'll take MGS 4 gameplay (sans cutscenes) over this for 8 straight hours. There is a reason action movies are only 2 hours long you know....

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Posted By Sayishere

This looked genuinely amazing, i cant wait for this.

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Edited By ChaosTony

@NickM: Uh yeah, *SC Double Agent Spoilers* well he kinda was on the run after blowing a deep cover operation where he discovered his employers killed his daughter. Sounding "less-than-sober" is pretty spot-on.

@wardcleaver: That doesn't even make sense. If it's a sequel, what logical reason is there to change the voice actor?

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Posted By Grixxel

Well, the game looks amazing, lets see how it goes!

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Posted By monkey523
@wardcleaver said:

@NickM said:

It was time for Ironside to go. Most of Conviction he sounded, well, less than sober.

As much as I like MI's voice, it is time to move on. Besides, Sam Fisher would be close to 60 by now, wouldn't he?

So the solution is to have Fisher sound like a young man again?
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Posted By wardcleaver

@NickM said:

It was time for Ironside to go. Most of Conviction he sounded, well, less than sober.

As much as I like MI's voice, it is time to move on. Besides, Sam Fisher would be close to 60 by now, wouldn't he?

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Posted By laini

It looks pretty cool. I'm not too fussed about the Ironside thing. I mean it sucks but come on people, some perspective.

The focus on action is a shame though. It looks awesome and seems like it'd play well but it's not what I go to a Splinter Cell game for. Once again, as in Conviction, it seems non-lethal takedowns aren't an option either.

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Posted By Roger778

I'm really disappointed that Michael Ironside is not coming back as Sam Fisher again, but that was a pretty impressive demo. Most of all, I'm excited that the knife has come back, too.

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Posted By High_Nunez

There are games that innovate in small, but noticeable increments, there are those that innovate by leaps, and bounds, and then there are those that don't innovate at all. This game, for me, seems to be kinda the first one. Having said that, it looks like a fun way to kill a few hours. Nothing wrong with that. Plus, it'll hopefully keep the brand alive long enough for them to do something really neat with it in the future. Which will be whatever is hot among the kiddies most likely.

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Posted By DrJota

"When I think guerilla,I think Kalashnikov....I've had enough guns fired at me to know that that wasn't one of them."

Sorry,voice actor might be decent,but Ubi'd be smart to pay Mr. Ironside in dumptrucks full of cash if necessary to bring him back.

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Posted By MeatSim

I don't know the Splinter Cell games stopped clicking with me after Chaos Theory.

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Posted By NickM

It was time for Ironside to go. Most of Conviction he sounded, well, less than sober.

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Posted By saddlebrown

I will admit that the lack of any real stealth is kind of weird, but yo, killing in motion looks SICK. In AC3 too. Best new trend.

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Posted By Saga

I thought the point of Splinter Cell was to NOT be detected

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Posted By Rabidrabbit

@KillyDarko said:

@crusader8463 said:

Dear Video Game Industry

Please stop removing every aspect of a game that makes it stand out and turning it into an action game.

Sincerely; Gamers

Sadly... ditto :(

I agree.

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Posted By NeilRapalee

So Ironside is gone. Replacing him is Eric Johnson as the voice and face of Sam according to a video on Entertainment Weekly. Weird seeing a guy from the first season of Smallville as Sam.

Not sure how they are going to explain this story wise though as Sam appears a lot younger in this game. Gameplay looks outstanding though. Taking Conviction but adding in better stealth options. I like this evolution as it's always fun to play stealthy but know that just because you make a small mistake that it isn't game over.

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Edited By theimmortalbum

So, I don't think that any of these games are ever going to match Chaos Theory in sheer awesomeness, this is looking better than the last few have for sure. I like the inclusion of some of the Assassin's Creed elements.

Also, no Michael Ironside? I'm not sure how I feel about that. At all.

Edit: Watched some more. It is very, VERY weird not hearing Michael Ironside voicing Sam.

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Posted By ErisRon

I liked what I saw. I also feel that the gameplay is like a modern day assassin's creed.

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Posted By AlisterCat

I don't really care that it isn't really a stealth game any more. Might check it out, still haven't played the last one.

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Posted By Ryalm

It looks like Splinter Cell, Pandora Tomorrow, and Chaos Theory are all a thing of the past. And no Ironside? That's just not right...

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Posted By Jazz_Lafayette

..."HUMANSHIELD"

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Posted By Darksideshadow

The kids don't want to spend an hour on the same level trying to get no alarms/no kills/no shoots fired anymore....ah well I'm getting too old for this shit anyways.

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Posted By D

This actually makes me feel like I want to play another installment of Splinter Cell. I hope Ubisoft brings the pain with this game. 2013 again.

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Edited By napalmtrees

That must be a placeholder voice. Even if they got rid of Ironside, they have to be getting a soundalike. Right? Right?!

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Posted By RainbowRaccoon

I'll be a bit brash and say no Ironside, no interest in the game.

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Posted By Robopengy

I don't know if it's my new HD monitor, but all these games look amazing graphically!

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Posted By crusader8463

@SnakeEyes327 said:

@crusader8463 said:

@SnakeEyes327 said:

You realize that the reason they changed the formula was because with each new game, they sales got lower and lower right? It was only when they decided to do something different that there was any spike, and that happened with Conviction. The original style of stealth gameplay doesn't generate sales. So why would they ever go back to what you came made the series "stand out"?

I am aware of their reason, but as a fan of the original games I don't care why they did it. The reason I enjoyed the originals was because of the stealth combat. There are things they could have done to change how it worked in the past while still keeping that slower, methodical, mind game puzzle feel to it that made the games so great in their time. Now it's just another modern military shooter with an emphasis on better animated take down kills. I don't want that in my Splinter Cell games, and I'm going to voice that dislike when and where I can because sadly that's all I can do.

Sorry you disagree so tremendously.

You missed the point entirely of why the demo is structured the way it is and why it's stupid to judge a game on that alone.

It's supposed to be a stealth game. When they choose to first show it and all they do is run around like a gears of war game shooting guys what else am I supposed to think they are doing to the series? If they started out by saying "Hey guys. You can still totally stealth your way through this game, but for the sake of a quick demo you can just run around mindlessly shooting guys!" there would be no problem. That's what they did with the new Hitman game.

If they really cared about the stealth aspect of the game during development then they would have taken a moment to point out that it's still in the there by taking a minute or two during the demo to show that you can still play like that. But they didn't. They just ran around shooting guys talking about how cool it is to run around shooting guys with machine guns, and from the level they choose to show the game for the first time it looked pretty linear and like there was only one way to go about doing things.

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Edited By SnakeEyes327

@crusader8463 said:

@SnakeEyes327 said:

You realize that the reason they changed the formula was because with each new game, they sales got lower and lower right? It was only when they decided to do something different that there was any spike, and that happened with Conviction. The original style of stealth gameplay doesn't generate sales. So why would they ever go back to what you came made the series "stand out"?

I am aware of their reason, but as a fan of the original games I don't care why they did it. The reason I enjoyed the originals was because of the stealth combat. There are things they could have done to change how it worked in the past while still keeping that slower, methodical, mind game puzzle feel to it that made the games so great in their time. Now it's just another modern military shooter with an emphasis on better animated take down kills. I don't want that in my Splinter Cell games, and I'm going to voice that dislike when and where I can because sadly that's all I can do.

Sorry you disagree so tremendously.

You missed the point entirely of why the demo is structured the way it is and why it's stupid to judge a game on that alone.

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Posted By crusader8463

@SnakeEyes327 said:

You realize that the reason they changed the formula was because with each new game, they sales got lower and lower right? It was only when they decided to do something different that there was any spike, and that happened with Conviction. The original style of stealth gameplay doesn't generate sales. So why would they ever go back to what you came made the series "stand out"?

I am aware of their reason, but as a fan of the original games I don't care why they did it. The reason I enjoyed the originals was because of the stealth combat. There are things they could have done to change how it worked in the past while still keeping that slower, methodical, mind game puzzle feel to it that made the games so great in their time. Now it's just another modern military shooter with an emphasis on better animated take down kills. I don't want that in my Splinter Cell games, and I'm going to voice that dislike when and where I can because sadly that's all I can do.

Sorry you disagree so tremendously.

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Posted By SnakeEyes327

@crusader8463 said:

@SnakeEyes327 said:

@crusader8463 said:

Dear Video Game Industry

Please stop removing every aspect of a game that makes it stand out and turning it into an action game.

Sincerely; Gamers

Glad you were able to make a judgement call on a vertical slice demo designed to market a game to the mass media. Nice work chief, real informed decision you made there.

I'm glad you agree. Also, it's based on their last few attempts at the series and seeing what they have shown already looks pretty much like the last game which they turned into just another shooter. Seems that's the direction they want to take the series. Still holding out hope the spy's vs merc online is the same as it used to be, because that was always the best part of that series.

You realize that the reason they changed the formula was because with each new game, they sales got lower and lower right? It was only when they decided to do something different that there was any spike, and that happened with Conviction. The original style of stealth gameplay doesn't generate sales. So why would they ever go back to what you came made the series "stand out"?

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Posted By crusader8463

@SnakeEyes327 said:

@crusader8463 said:

Dear Video Game Industry

Please stop removing every aspect of a game that makes it stand out and turning it into an action game.

Sincerely; Gamers

Glad you were able to make a judgement call on a vertical slice demo designed to market a game to the mass media. Nice work chief, real informed decision you made there.

I'm glad you agree. Also, it's based on their last few attempts at the series and seeing what they have shown already looks pretty much like the last game which they turned into just another shooter. Seems that's the direction they want to take the series. Still holding out hope the spy's vs merc online is the same as it used to be, because that was always the best part of that series.

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Posted By WiredFolf

I do hope the Sam voice in this is purely for the demo. A Splinter Cell game with Micheal Ironside is just... wrong.

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Posted By firecracker22

@mikeeegeee: True.

But, part of me is holding out hope that the level they showed was a slice of the first/tutorial level where they show us the ropes of the action options.

As long as I CAN ghost most of the levels in the game, I'll be happy.

I'm more worried about Ironside and Sam, and how that could drastically change the entire chemistry we fans had with the character. I can see ALOT of good lines, and jokes, just falling flat because Ironside isn't the one voicing them.

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Posted By firecracker22

I was really feeling this game, but Michael Ironside being out as Sam seems...wrong to me. Wrong on so many levels. I mean, I've been a fan since the very fist one. And over the years, alot of Splinter Cell fans have felt betrayed. Either with Double Agents' sun drenched level designs, or Hobo Sam, or then Sam's push towards more action in Conviction.

It's almost like Ubisoft is trying to shake off the last few series veterans like myself by stinging us with an Ironside-less game.

It is a little different than the Hitman/ Agent 47 situation, since it appears that Ironside has given his blessing...but still. I dunno, still feels wrong to me.

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Posted By SnakeEyes327

@crusader8463 said:

Dear Video Game Industry

Please stop removing every aspect of a game that makes it stand out and turning it into an action game.

Sincerely; Gamers

Glad you were able to make a judgement call on a vertical slice demo designed to market a game to the mass media. Nice work chief, real informed decision you made there.

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Posted By CaptRocketblaze

Sam Fisher has become: The True Future Soldier... Operative... Agent... Something!

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Posted By The_Tolman

Stupid Americans, you made me look bad.

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Edited By core1065

Why does Sam Fisher get younger with each game...

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Posted By CptDanger

@Zombie_Shakespeare said:

I learned everything I need to know about this game from the first one minute and thirty seconds of this video. Unless they make drastic changes, I can tell quite obviously that this is not what I want from Splinter Cell.

Maybe someday they'll return to the roots of the series. But I guess the old fanbase just isn't who they're aiming to please now. Or maybe I'm just a grumpy asshole.

Nope. Sadly you're not.

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Edited By BatmanBatman

yes can't Imagine Sam voiced by other than Ironside ... is like Snake without Hayter

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Posted By kishinfoulux

Holy shit this looks awesome. Fuck the haters.

Ironside will be missed though. :-/

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Posted By Zombie_Shakespeare

I learned everything I need to know about this game from the first one minute and thirty seconds of this video. Unless they make drastic changes, I can tell quite obviously that this is not what I want from Splinter Cell.

Maybe someday they'll return to the roots of the series. But I guess the old fanbase just isn't who they're aiming to please now. Or maybe I'm just a grumpy asshole.

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Edited By mikeeegeee

@SnakeEyes327: It's disappointing and it contains none of the spirit of the original games. I'm exaggerating based on a small amount of footage, but graphically, functionally, and tonally, this looks way too similar to the newest Ghost Recon game.

Some will reply, "don't play it," and I won't, but I will still express how chagrined I am at how little Tom Clancy games resemble their former selves. Good for Ubi for cashing in, but I won't be a part of it. And I definitely won't be surprised when the new Rainbow Six doesn't even resemble the Vegas series, but instead gravitates even further toward commonplace.

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Posted By BigBoss1911

Fuck this.

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