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Posted By Nose_Bears

I expected this after Sony wasted Microsoft at their conference.

Good work Patrick. Nice scoops for scoops before Chicago dude.

Don Mattrick is a pussy...arrogant dick :(

So Don Mattrick is a Hermaphrodite? Now that's a scoop.

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Posted By David_Spiral

This all will hopefully make for a very interesting book one day.

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Edited By Tortoise

I still don't want one.

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Edited By Scriptwriter77

I expected this after Sony wasted Microsoft at their conference.

Good work Patrick. Nice scoops for scoops before Chicago dude.

Don Mattrick is a pussy...arrogant dick :(

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Edited By Lifendz

Good God is Patrick skinny. I mean he's practically a runt. If this was 300 he'd be at the bottom of a cliff. But gratz on finally breaking a story, Scoops.

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Posted By katfury05

Glad MS got their shit together, I was hoping they would do this but I never thought they would do it that quickly after E3. Now I might get an Xbox One.

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Posted By yukoasho

@jimmy_p said:

Meanwhile in Europe and Japan:

nobody still cares about their cablebox and tv features

We care bout tha games tho.

US TV nonsense and whatnot doesn't add value, but it doesn't remove any either.

The fact that MS has had barely any exclusives for the 360 in the last three years says otherwise. It's clear that they want to move the Xbox brand away from gaming.

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Posted By ninja_nyc

Many security experts and media reports claim Windows contains a National Security Agency key. You can find these reports by searching for "NSA key Windows". I'm not a terrorist, pirate or any other kind of criminal. I just don't want Microsoft or the government to have an internet connected camera and microphone in my bedroom. Software settings are not a reliable way to disable the camera and microphone because all software has bugs and can be hacked. I'm very happy Don Mattrick decided to get rid of the requirement for an internet check-in every 24 hours. What still concerns me is that Microsoft is apparently clueless enough to have ever thought this was a good idea.

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Edited By yukoasho

@marokai said:

@yukoasho: At this point I'm viewing people who clamor for an "all digital future" as borderline sociopathic. Nothing says the two models and forms of media can't co-exist peacefully, and yet there's this weird group of people that seems intent on forcing their own preferences on the rest of the world for no reason, and seem to react to people losing existing ownership rights with an almost maniacal glee.

"Sociopathic" is a bit harsh, but I get where you're coming from. This goes beyond simple lack of empathy into a sort of intolerance that I've never been able to understand. The digital mavens view the rest of us as some sort of Luddite mob, simply because we like different means of distribution than them. It's a selfish, egotistical superiority complex that I've never had any patience for putting up with or paying attention to. Unfortunately, @jeff and @ryan seem to think the same way, which emboldens these glorified bullies, at least on this site.

Personally, I've gone past ever trying to reason with anyone who views those who prefer physical as some sort of unwashed peasant and am now simply thankful that those entitled brats will likely not become a majority until I'm too arthritic to play games anyway, if it happens in my lifetime.

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@dr_mantas said:

@yukoasho: You're right, I agree that was too harsh. I can see the value in physical games in that when these online retail services shut down in the coming Apocalypse, you can still play the physical disk, assuming the console works offline. So that IS an advantage.

Yeah man the only way someone would need a disc is because of apocolypse. Are you aware that there are people who are living under ISP bandwidth limits that are less than the amount of data on a blu-ray right? That's just one example of a reasonable real-world scenario- wait, why am I replying to you as if you would understand what I am saying when you are obviously an obtuse nerdlinger. I must be tired.

It's not even that. Some people don't want to wait the four or five hours it would take with their download speed because they're not going to spend $80/month or whatever for fiber optic. Some people want to make a day out of getting whatever they're getting because they, unlike the digital mavens, enjoy getting out of the house every once in a while. Maybe, just maybe, they like physical better! I know, it's crazy!

And that's the thing. If people like @dr_mantas prefer digital, let them have it. I'm not trying to take it from them. It's just not for me, and it's not for a lot of other people either. However, people who look down on me for my choices will never get anything but disdain from me. It's the same reason I hate Clifford Bleszinski with the fire of a thousand suns: Make your own choices, but leave me to make my own, and don't make me out to be the enemy when mine are different from yours.

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Posted By Toxin066

Now I'm curious. What does Dave Lang have to hide?

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Posted By InternetDetective

@yukoasho: You're right, I agree that was too harsh. I can see the value in physical games in that when these online retail services shut down in the coming Apocalypse, you can still play the physical disk, assuming the console works offline. So that IS an advantage.

Yeah man the only way someone would need a disc is because of apocolypse. Are you aware that there are people who are living under ISP bandwidth limits that are less than the amount of data on a blu-ray right? That's just one example of a reasonable real-world scenario- wait, why am I replying to you as if you would understand what I am saying when you are obviously an obtuse nerdlinger. I must be tired.

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Edited By Marokai

@yukoasho: At this point I'm viewing people who clamor for an "all digital future" as borderline sociopathic. Nothing says the two models and forms of media can't co-exist peacefully, and yet there's this weird group of people that seems intent on forcing their own preferences on the rest of the world for no reason, and seem to react to people losing existing ownership rights with an almost maniacal glee.

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Posted By dr_mantas

@yukoasho: You're right, I agree that was too harsh. I can see the value in physical games in that when these online retail services shut down in the coming Apocalypse, you can still play the physical disk, assuming the console works offline. So that IS an advantage.

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Posted By yukoasho

The thing that Microsoft was trying to do, an all digital future (supposedly) was GREAT.

I, just an example, don't give FLYING RAT'S ASS SHIT for used games, borrowing games. I don't need it.

BUT, and it's a pretty important but, people felt entitled to their physical purchases. And they listened to the people and changed their ways. This does NOT preclude the digital future. Digital purchases, both on XB1 and PS4 will function pretty much like Steam, and it will be good. It's about the choice - you have a choice of purchasing a disk, a remnant of a time gone by. But you also have a choice of embracing the electronic frontier - and that is the way of the future.

If you're complaining about Microsoft changing their policies, don't ever purchase a physical copy. Buy everything digital.

Then, maybe, one day we will do away with retailers, with those horse carriage vendors, and truly go forth into the future.

And they will probably have pretty kick ass sales to boot.

Edit: Is there an airplane landing every couple of minutes at the CBSi offices? That little jingle...

You know, you could have stood to be less insulting toward those of us who prefer physical.

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Edited By FalcomAdol

The biggest issue here is that the media took the reaction of people at an industry trade show event (a trade show that is dedicated to selling games into the channel, i.e. where exhibitors are game publishers and the attendees are retail buyers, where the media happens to also have a major presence), an event that "normal gamers" are not even supposed to be attending (magic business cards notwithstanding), and spun that as being the reaction of the gaming public. The gaming public then echoed that reaction back to the media.

Sony told a room full of gamestop managers and Sony official clappers that they were going to leave the status quo as is and got a standing ovation from gamestop managers and paid clappers. What a fucking shock. How is that good for consumers though?

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Edited By dr_mantas

The thing that Microsoft was trying to do, an all digital future (supposedly) was GREAT.

I, just an example, don't give FLYING RAT'S ASS SHIT for used games, borrowing games. I don't need it.

BUT, and it's a pretty important but, people felt entitled to their physical purchases. And they listened to the people and changed their ways. This does NOT preclude the digital future. Digital purchases, both on XB1 and PS4 will function pretty much like Steam, and it will be good. It's about the choice - you have a choice of purchasing a disk, a remnant of a time gone by. But you also have a choice of embracing the electronic frontier - and that is the way of the future.

If you're complaining about Microsoft changing their policies, don't ever purchase a physical copy. Buy everything digital.

Then, maybe, one day we will do away with retailers, with those horse carriage vendors, and truly go forth into the future.

And they will probably have pretty kick ass sales to boot.

Edit: Is there an airplane landing every couple of minutes at the CBSi offices? That little jingle...

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Posted By teenmother

patrick is so cute in the thumbnail :3

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Posted By Inquisitor

Good.

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Posted By nate6858

Putting Dave Lang on blasters, I approve

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Posted By darkmagus517

-they are still forcing the kinect on the buyers.

-they still don't have indie game support

-it is still $100 more than Sony

That's what made my decision even before the DRM issues and it still makes them look like the flip flopped in the 13th hour (should have done it in the 11th)

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Edited By ChandlerL

So if I'm understanding this correctly, Patrick scooped this story. Well good on you, Patrick. Nice bit of investigative reporting.

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Posted By ThreeRoneC

Awesome!

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Posted By ThievingJacob

@freedomtown: With borrowed opinions like these, I'm assuming your username was ironic...

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Posted By ike7779

Does this prove that the publishers were not the ones behind these used games policies?

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Posted By THRICE_604

What a weird wild ride these new consoles have already brought and its only June. There have been higher highs and lower lows in a month than there have been most of the entire previous gen.

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Edited By DeadFish

Man, I love everything about this. Love it! Great work, Patrick. :)

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Edited By StillPlaying

14:26 Vinnie said the funniest thing I've ever heard him say and my mouth was full of water.

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Posted By m2cks

Omg did Patrick paste anonymous information in to the site he works for?! Lets all praise him! :\

This is a sad day to be a GB member, seeing all these "evil DRM sheep" posting one after another.

Go read the Gizmodo article about how this was a horrible turn around by MS. I'm not going to waste time explaining things to the luddites here, but what MS was trying to do was great, for developers and consumers, it is unfortunate they caved to the vocal minority of rabid tin foil hats out there.

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Posted By kerikxi

TEAM SCOOPS FOR LIFE.

This was the burning Viking ship of Patrick's sendoff. Bravo sir. Impressed slow claps all around.

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Edited By LoveSpuds

Will miss Patrick, that guy really grew on me over the last year - great way to sign off though!

As for M$, they can still forget about getting my cash, they have been treating customers like schmuck's long before all this bollocks happened. Barely any exclusives over the last 3 years and hellbent on hocking that piece of shit camera, M$ already lost my custom.

2 months ago I had to replace yet another 360 for my son, thats 4 consoles in 7 years - fuck that at £430 a pop!

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Edited By ProfessorEss
@razielcuts said:

It'll be a real shame if everybody just says 'Okay Xbox, I'm back on board' and forgets the mentality that drove those decisions in the first place and the staunch hubris that Microsoft showed throughout E3, they are still that company. They didn't back down on this decision for 'the good of gamers', they made it because the money behind the lacking pre orders spoke.

If you think Sony didn't just put on "The Opposite Show" despite having the exact same intentions and hopes I think you're being very naive.

@marokai: Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that I'm totally shocked that MS was even listening. Seems this round goes to "The Internet".

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Edited By RageTreb

Right before he leaves us, Patrick drops the biggest exclusive story of the summer. Atta boy, Scoops!

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Edited By kennybaese

I'm curious to see how this effects the cloud stuff that they've been touting as a part of the always on connection. I guess all of the examples I can think of off of the top of my head all revolve around multiplayer, so it makes sense that you'd have to be online anyway. Are there any single player games that were counting on the cloud integration to offload some of the computation load, and are those games completely fucked now?

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Posted By herdi3

Well done Scoopz!

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Edited By BabaORiely

Kleptok the News Breaker. Oooo-eeeee-oooo.

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Posted By gbrading

Patrick Klepek: Breaking Stories, Breaking Hearts. :P

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Edited By Aarny91

I still believe they might start loading these features in slowly when people actually start buying the console. It might not happen, but I'm being prepared. Still, this is great news for gamers everywhere.

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Edited By TehPickle

I cant wait to see if EA pull a complete U-turn on their scrapping of online passes.

I don't believe for a minute that they pulled online passes out of the goodness of their hearts. This DRM meant they didn't need to look like the bad guys anymore, and now they're heading up shit creek without a paddle.

Poor lambs.

EDIT: Apparently EA will NOT be changing their arrangements: http://www.destructoid.com/ea-won-t-bring-back-its-online-pass-program-256663.phtml

I was hoping for some more juicy soapbox drama.

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Posted By FreedomTown

Omg did Patrick paste anonymous information in to the site he works for?! Lets all praise him! :\

This is a sad day to be a GB member, seeing all these "evil DRM sheep" posting one after another.

Go read the Gizmodo article about how this was a horrible turn around by MS. I'm not going to waste time explaining things to the luddites here, but what MS was trying to do was great, for developers and consumers, it is unfortunate they caved to the vocal minority of rabid tin foil hats out there.

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Posted By DoctorWelch

This news actually makes me pissed at Sony, Microsoft, and stupid idiots on the internet. We had the digital future in our wake. It was right there in front of us with all the awesome benefits that come along with it, even if Microsoft wasn't properly explaining them, and now we have to wait because too many morons fucked it up for us on along the way.

Microsoft shat the bed in the worst way possible by failing to explain why their policies would be beneficial. Sony can't really be blamed for taking the best road to success for their company, but at the same time none of this flip flopping would have happened if they just went along for the ride as well. And lastly, all the stupid, irrational children on the interent flipping out about something they know nothing about is probably the most annoying part of it all.

I know tons of people that have current generation game consoles, and not one of them can remember a time when they actually played the console offline. Oh, and you know how you "can't borrow games"? Well, instead of borrowing one game your friend can borrow your ENTIRE FUCKING COLLECTION and just play it when you aren't on by signing into your name. Then, if you really find yourself in a situation where you like borrowing games you can use the family feature which means more than one person can play that game at a time. The benefits out way the small inconveniences by a long shot for a large majority of users, yet people on the internet bitch like crazy about things they clearly don't even understand.

This whole thing is fucked, and it really just makes me depressed about the state of games right now. I guess it just goes to show you that reality doesn't matter anymore. People don't want to stop and think logically about anything. They just want to go with their gut reactions while taking all the messaging from these corporate entities at face value. It's all about how you spin something, and not about what that thing actually means in real life. I'm still super excited for the new generation of fun games to play, but all this bull shit has made extremely embarrassed for video games as a whole. As someone who loves the medium and wants to see it mature, this whole thing has just been a debacle on all sides.

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Edited By Godlyawesomeguy

Man, if Sony came back and ADDED DRM, that'd be fucking hilarious.

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Posted By RD_21

@jayjonesjunior: I agree that it makes them look bad in a way. If they TRULY believe in a always connected world they had to sell it to people and tell them why it was good and the way to go, but the fact that they've backed up tell me that even them couldn't find ways to back themselves up.

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Posted By TinyGrasshopper

I was saddened that when I finally read that Patrick was the first to break this story, that Giantbomb was down. I had to read it from a few other sources before I finally had a chance to read the original report. Great job reporting this.

At this time everyone is making a big deal about Microsoft flip-flopping in regards to their policy, but the truth is that in a few years time no one is going to look back on the policies suggested by either company this year as the "make it or break it" moment. While thousands of devoted hard-core gamers are clambering to write on every thread about their issues, the reality is that a system is more dependent on the response of the mass consumer. The hundreds of thousands of units that will move within the first week of each of their launches is primarily based on these mass consumers, and the voice of the die-hard fan only diminishes over time. Though it has been highly entertaining to watch this battle unfold, most of what we are hearing about now have little influence on the future of these systems.

It's actually the opposite. The hardcore gamers are the influencers, and the initial sales are made by the most enthusiastic. The perception trickles down from the influencers to the mass consumers, if the conditions are right for it.

Look at a typical Apple release. The people who wait in line in the very beginning, are not the mass consumers, but the most enthusiastic apple fanboys.

There's no evidence that this will have any effect, in the long term strategically, but it might have a contributory affect if they continued to make more mistakes like that leading up to launch. Right now it's not about long-term strategy, it's about short-term tactics. The next year will be absolutely critical for Sony and Microsoft and they cannot f-ck up at all. They just need to get their install bases as big as possible in the next year.

Which is why it's a really good move that Microsoft just cut this off as soon as possible. I know for me, coming out of E3, the price difference and the DRM made xbox one an absolute non-starter. If they had stuck with it up to launch, I think a lot of people would be thinking this way. Now the field is a lot more balanced. Now it's just a matter of gauging whether the value of all the TV features is worth the $100. I don't give a shit about Kinect. If it had a DVR and not just live TV, it would be a done deal for me. I'd be getting the XBox. But right now it doesn't, and I like having $100.

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Edited By VibratingDonkey

@jimmy_p said:

Meanwhile in Europe and Japan:

nobody still cares about their cablebox and tv features

We care bout tha games tho.
US TV nonsense and whatnot doesn't add value, but it doesn't remove any either.

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Edited By DG991

Giantbomb won.

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Posted By CaptMagic123

I now am considering getting an Xbox One, the only thing that's stopping me is the fact that the Kinect is still a mandatory thing for proper use of the console.

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Posted By paulwade1984

Amazing work there Patrick. Posting the information in that text message before anyone else. I wish I could scoop that hard.

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Posted By recroulette

I just hope this is really a case of MS listening to the consumers rather than MS reacting to GameStop pushing the PS4.

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Posted By cbarnes86

Viva la Gamefly!