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Posted By reversethedevil

Looks way more reasonable than the first game. Endless SWAT guys and that second mission where you just run away for the entire game. I like how the roles are more differentiated.

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Posted By frymillstrum

@hassun: TNT is meant to have a competitive element...

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Posted By frymillstrum

This game has some great ideas and the masks make it super cool looking but like the first one it all just seems to be executed in a way that isn't "fun".

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Posted By KingdanglerBK

I LOVE THIS FRICKEN GAME!

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Posted By eloj
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Posted By Kartana

Still hordes of Police forces just rushing in to get killed... same as the first game. Hoped they would change that....

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Posted By slantedwindows

all that for $10,000 each? silly criminals...

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Posted By bwmcmaste

This might get me back into Payday. Also, 'ECM yammer'.

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Posted By Andheez

@elko84: lol i was literally about to post almost the same thing.

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Posted By MeatSim

I like how low energy the guy talking was.

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Posted By Player1

This game looks like a whole lot of fun. From what I've heard the original payday didn't exactly have a great online community so hopefully I'll be able to talk some buddies into getting this.

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Posted By Klager

@klei said:

Oddly enough, the gunplay looks kind of tight.

The gunplay, the gun animations and the sounds are all really tight. Soundtrack is also stellar.

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Posted By Klei

Oddly enough, the gunplay looks kind of tight.

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Posted By rasko_the_brave

Now if you could betray your team and take all the money....

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Edited By namesonkel

Maybe he will fack upp.

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Posted By Emeritus

I'm gonna miss old Hoxton, new jarhead Hoxton sounds like he is 12.

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Edited By eloj

@kanerobot said:

over). I've seen that this is a 40 dollar game which I guess excuses some of the lack of extravagance. Will probably still pick it up on sale provided I have friends playing it.

It's a $30/30e game.

Plus: "We have added the first PAYDAY 2 DLC titled Armored Transport Heist DLC for free to anyone who has pre-purchased either the Standard Edition or the Career Criminal Edition of PAYDAY 2."

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Posted By eloj

I've never seen a successful Bank stealth run.

Saw one one youtube a while ago. It can be done, but it's very hard.

The game is actually awesome, but the unexploited potential is still enormous. There's a lot of tention during the phase before you're assaulted, but that's usually how it'll end up. This is not a stealth game. Heck, even when you 'stealth' you're probably killing people, like in the opening of this video.

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Posted By Ponyexpress

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE "JAM" YOU ANIMAL!

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Posted By RupertTheBear

Hearing the music at the end kind of makes me wish they turn a cyberpunk game such as Syndicate into a heist game. And make it a stand alone expansion game like Farcry: Blood Dragon

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Posted By PhilipDuck

Hmmm not that impressive..

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Posted By Rorie

@rorie said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE THERMAL DRILL MUST I DO EVERYTHING AROUND HERE

Never pick up the drill untill you are ready to go in :)

that's what she said

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Edited By saddlebrown

@scotto: See, that's what I want them to start showing off about this game, but they keepshowing generic shootouts instead. I'll say though, as cool as a premise as "pulled over by the cops" sounds, the way they treat cops like these disposable soldiers is what ruins it for me. It's that bodycount. If a crew of four bankrobbers killed 50 cops, it'd be a terrorist attack, not a heist.

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Posted By Danteveli

Played a bit of the beta yesterday and did that mission. Its cool that its a bit randomized since mine inside of the bank was a bit different for me.

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Posted By Vigorousjammer

@jj_figgy said:

gimme the loot

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Posted By radioactivez0r

If pulling off a perfect heist requires the bank manager inexplicably leaving a back door unlocked to take a smoke break and be followed immediately by the main guard, then I'm not sure this game is for me. But I'm trying to keep an open mind.

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Posted By CapnThrash

this looks pretty cool.

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Posted By dOm_CaTz

this fucking soundtrack. so good.

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@levio said:

@zoeytrope said:

Awfully small bag for an entire corpse, at least in one piece.

You can save a lot of space by dehydrating it first. Protip.

Cop jerky. Delicious.

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Posted By Levio

Awfully small bag for an entire corpse, at least in one piece.

You can save a lot of space by dehydrating it first. Protip.

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Posted By Elwoodan

I love the sound design, the music and guns sound awesome.

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Posted By Nitrocore

Good to see that the AI characters still look like they're made of wood....

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Posted By eccentrix

Sounds like you can get away without triggering alarms in this game. Good news.

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Posted By VoshiNova

@rorie said:

"Maybe I will...fuck up..."

Love (relatively) unedited preview stuff like this.

I was totally say this. I really enjoy raw demos like this.

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Posted By Scotto

@jasius said:

Such a strange niche game, its got a horrible pickup game good luck getting randoms to follow any sort of plan. PD1 was hacked to shit and full of exploiters shortly after release and the company didn't give a shit about fixing the issues, so you'd have one guy doing all the killing with unlimited ammo and unlimited gizmos and running on ahead of everyone ruining the entire game.

I've managed to pull off 100% stealth with pickup groups. Just a case of getting people who will listen.

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Posted By Scotto

I wish they could resist the temptation once--just once--of the big, crazy shootout to show me what getting in and out without killing anyone or firing a single bullet looks like. I want to know what a successful stealth heist looks like, and in fact, that's the only way I'll buy this game. If they seriously can't show one successful, nonviolent heist, then they're obviously going for something that I don't want.

They just have this fundamental misunderstanding of what made Heat an awesome movie. It wasn't the big shootout. It's the tension. That big shootout was only impactful because you knew those guys were professionals who normally get in and out without killing a single person. That's what made Waingro such a loose cannon--he waswilling to shoot people. He was dumb. So when you get to the big shootout that spills into the streets, it's impactful because you know how bad this is going to get. And sure enough, multiple guys in the crew die. That's why they don't like to get in shootouts.

So to see these developers miss the mark again and again is so frustrating. If you screw up and trigger the SWAT team and a firefight breaks out, it should be fucking hard. Not all of your team should make it back alive. You should fear an alarm being sounded, not just shrug and whip out your AKs.

They aren't just making Heat: The Game.

As someone who has been playing the game for a couple of weeks now, it IS tense as fuck when you're trying to pull off a quiet heist. And when you're playing on Overkill difficulty, it DOES get completely insane on most maps after a while. When you're trying to be ghosts, and you hear an alarm, you go "AH FUCK!", and get ready to fight. Trying to control a crowd of people without anyone hitting an alarm or using their cellphone, can be really hard. The music is specifically designed to create the kind of tension in Heat.

They don't make it completely insane to fight the police, but they do get difficult after a while. If the object was all stealth all the time, this would just be Rainbow Six. One of their skill trees is specifically built for combat, while the others are at least partly to help do things stealthily.

But some missions are smash and grabs at stores. Some are you being pulled over by the cops, and having to fight to stay alive until a driver comes to get you. One is you loading coke onto a boat, while cops are coming from all sides. One has you making meth in a meth lab, while the DEA are invading the house.

You CAN finish missions with people dying, and sometimes I've been in missions where we didn't take all of the loot because it just got too hot, and we couldn't do it. You usually have to revive someone at least once on the highest difficulty. This game has missions and design elements that are very evocative of Heat, but that isn't all it is.

I can confirm that it's possible to complete some missions without firing a bullet, or almost anyone even knowing you were there. One missions has you rob a nightclub, and you can drill the safe and everything, with no one the wiser. And you do grit your teeth a bit, hoping no one fucks it up.

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Posted By LarryDavis

@whatisdelicious: I don't know if there are any you can do without killing ANYONE, the one that most people can do stealthily, Jewelry Store, usually still requires the guard in the front to die (even if you melee, it counts as a kill).

I've never seen a successful Bank stealth run.

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Edited By bummey

Not pictured: The 30 minutes in between the alarm and the vault opening, spent shooting endless waves of suicidal cops prolonged by the team forgetting to restart the drill.

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Edited By saddlebrown

I wish they could resist the temptation once--just once--of the big, crazy shootout to show me what getting in and out without killing anyone or firing a single bullet looks like. That's the only way I'll buy this game. If they seriously can't show one successful, nonviolent heist, then they're obviously going for something that I don't want.

They just have this fundamental misunderstanding of what made Heat an awesome movie. It wasn't the big shootout. It was the tension. That big shootout was only impactful because you knew those guys were professionals who normally get in and out without killing a single person. That's what made Waingro such a loose cannon--he was willing to shoot people. He was dumb. So when you get to the big shootout that spills into the streets, it's impactful because you know how bad this is going to get. And sure enough, multiple guys in the crew die. That's why they don't like to get in shootouts.

To see these developers miss the mark again and again is so frustrating. If you screw up and trigger the SWAT team and a firefight breaks out, it should be fucking hard. Not all of your team should make it back alive. You should fear an alarm being sounded, not just shrug and whip out your AKs.

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Posted By Dead_Cell

Looks like a ton of fun, I might pick this one up!

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Posted By jasius

Such a strange niche game, its got a horrible pickup game good luck getting randoms to follow any sort of plan. PD1 was hacked to shit and full of exploiters shortly after release and the company didn't give a shit about fixing the issues, so you'd have one guy doing all the killing with unlimited ammo and unlimited gizmos and running on ahead of everyone ruining the entire game.

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Posted By Scotto

Been playing the beta for a couple of weeks now - it's a ton of fun. The thrill of successfully pulling off a "stealth" heist, is awesome, and requires a lot of coordination.

The AI is still a bit derpy, and there are several bugs that will need to be worked on, but I can't wait for the full release.

Also, the music and weapon sounds are fantastic. Weapons were kind of flat in the first game, but now they sound like they came right out of "Heat".

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