Meet Assassin's Creed Syndicate's Historical Figure Squad

I'd recommend this talk from David Simon (creator of The Wire)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNttT7hDKsk

An American view of certain topics such as Marxism, but without the ignorance of the general US public on the subject (US+capitalism+religion>good communism+socialism+atheism>evil).

hegel hegel hegel

ahahah Marx no way.

This is so over the top.

I would agree with most of this, only I think Marx is at fault for a certain lack of imagination what his prescribed ideas could be turned into, and how ideologies could use them. Also I think his analysis of problems of capitalism is more relevant now than ever, but his ideas of correcting those problems are very naive and not very useful. (And it seems to me that because of the Cold War, US public has a limited knowledge of certain issues, specially Marxism, Stalinism, Bolshevism, Communism, Socialism which are all basically used as synonyms, and are Evil).

So whose mom did they get to read that?

@hatking said:

I ran off the casting sheet earlier because I didn't want to lose it in case my internet went down again. It's "Y-"... hang on, I gotta put on my glasses.

Okay, yeah, that's a lot better, now--

Here it is: "Yo Momma"

There's a bunch of other stuff here about her weight, but I think that must just be from the site, I don't think Ubisoft would send that out, it seems kind of unprofessional.

We don't consider Archimedes great just because he did "great math" in some theoretical sense, we consider him great because his insight had a very positive effect on society. Correspondingly, we should also consider Marx terrible for the impact his contributions have had. It's not that complicated. The only reason you could want to dissociate him with the results of his ideals is because you aren't quite ready to abandon them as good ideas.

You have a good point... marx was fanatical in his idea that capitalism would fall and he wouldn't explore the implications of that other than to say "And then communism will happen and things will be better."

Leaving such an intense idea so open-ended could only mean trouble. He really should have explained things in some way.

Yo dawg, we should share everything... now take these 'Pistols of the Proletariat'.

Loved this series for so long, but it broke my heart over an extended period :)

And now it's a ghost town.

this comments section, my god, pure ideology

Voice actors want to be paid more money for THIS?

I'll be disappointed if there isn't a multiplayer Karl Marx skin with the sick sickle and hammer combo as weapons.

@lightningproof said:

a voice of reason in this horrible thread

Oi guvna. Das a roit propa Assassin's Creed traila 'idn't it? Sorry Great Britain...you know how I love that cockney. Nothing about this comment sounds right at all.

It is complicated actually, some of his ideas are good, some are bad, and both were used. The logic of your previous post states that because "great math" can be used and was used for mass murder therefore Archimedes was bad/evil etc.

@oldirtybearon said:

Of course, that is true.

Also, if we are going to go around accusing philosophers for being too naive in thinking their ideas would work in a world outside their mental constructs, we could just save time and drop the whole lot down the drain...

People talking about stuff, fucking horrible. You're so great.

Public Health Care is an idea that fits into marxism but it helps millions world wide, what about public schooling, or progressive taxation or unemployment support?

Hell all the pioneers of math eventually got us to the point where we had nukes and massive pollution spewing factories, but we don't blame them for that either, because progress isn't binary good or bad.

@mscanyon: it's a videogame after all

@mikemcn said:

Apparently Einstein and Oppenheimer were mass murderers? The more you know.

I don't know how many people talking about Marx have actually read Marx, because 98% of what he wrote was basic history, economics, and statistics. The Communist Manifesto was an early, radical work which Marx would later in life try to temper as he moved away from the idea of violent revolution as the only possibility for improving the life of the working class. Capital is basically just thousands of pages of wage and price analysis.And he literally wrote that taking his ideas as some kind of transcendent dogma without paying attention to the historical and cultural context of a nation, such as Russia, for example, would probably lead to disastrous results.

@prokofjev said:

Thanks! :)

Honestly though, debating whether Karl Marx is responsible for the murder of millions is absolutely asinine and not worth existing in the first place. Shit, am I involving myself now?

Marx was not an Marxist etc. But those small political parts of his work are important and should be discussed (although probably not here but hey, blame Ubisoft).

@julius: Marx and Engels were not mass murderers, get your facts straight. And stop watching Fox News, it's clearly a bad influence.

You guyssss Marx wrote about a teleology in which feudalism led to capitalism which led to communism and that communism could only exist after the fall of capitalism while also taking advantage of the technological advances that capitalism brought omggggg. It's like Star Trek, not Stalin Trek.

Marxian economic theory deals a fair bit with how to handles surplus production, maybe he'll be an npc where you can trade extra resources for other stuff. Oh, videogames.

OK, that would just be great.

@pkopetzky: not directly. But attempts to create the utopia for which they advocated have proven to be very bloody indeed.

Can't wait until Assassin's Creed makes it to the 80's and we get missions from Tom Selleck, Joe Montana and Max Headroom.

oh no, they're not good ideas

they're great ideas

@l1ama: well clearly, just look at the evidence.

Note that I'm not saying that Marx is a murderer, just that his famous ideas are bad (for reasons well-documented in the pages of history). I would rather not have him as an idol in popular media that I consume.

Oh so you're not calling him and people who disagree with you on his works mass murderers. As seen in previous posts.

"His famous ideas are bad" > You've won this round, can't argue with that.

*Steps into comments section to make a post about the lack of hype for the game.*

*Starts reading.*

Nevermind, I'm good.

*Leaves.*

We haven't had a good flame war in a while.

Bell? Big fan of eugenics also.

did you complain loudly when oliver north, who bears partial responsibility for the crack epidemic, was used as a consultant for a CoD game?

@prokofjev: supporters at this point in time are much more culpable, because we have decades of evidence as to the horrors ordinary people can be convinced to perform through the use of Marx's fundamental rhetoric.

Marx himself just had terrible ideas.

This game's story looks like a bad comic some kid in the back of high school world history class doodled while the teacher talked about the industrial revolution.

Except thousands of people spent tens of thousands of hours and millions of dollars developing it.

This is industry is absurd.

Edit: Also thanks to all of you in this comments thread for some wonderful afternoon reading and giggles.

I'm sure if you repeat your ideas to yourself a couple more times the'll start to sound coherent. You have made replying to you pointless, some time ago actually. So hey, have a nice day.

This is the best thing to come out of this thread

Why does this site still have a comments section? They serve no purpose.

Fuck this game

I like the idea of using controversial folks.

My bigger issue is with them pushing for pre-orders and that AFTER Unity people will still be doing this. Why?

@sargemcd: Because Ubisoft.