MMOs are designed very differently than Single-player games. This is going to be a rough transition.

@SerHulse said:

@adoggz said:

Does this make it more or less likely that there will be a space marine 2? I loved the shit out of the first one.

They said already (around Space Marines release if I remember) that there was no chance of a sequel.

Which sucks.

Really really really sucks.

Link? Was it a sales thing? This is the first I've heard of this and I am NONE TOO PLEASED.

Did anyone really think this game was going come out? As an MMO, that is. Not to piss anyone off, but it would have failed. It would have quickly been turned into a free to play MMO and slowly dwindle in the charts of popularity/player count. MMO's, subscription wise, are a thing of the past. Too many have failed at this point, and the market for it has changed. As costs continue to go up, and as more and more players continue to keep their money in their pocket (most players would rather not pay for subscriptions) it's just not worth the risk. If the developer doesn't have the money to TRY and make a high end MMO (most developers do not), then in the end, it's not even worth the cost. They are better off creating this game, and others, in a single player/multi-player setting.

STOP MAKING MMO'S EVERYONE, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

@forkboy said:

@TheHT said:

I would still absolutely play a non-MMO Vigil made Warhammer 40k action-RPG.

Yeah, that appeals to me more than an MMO to be honest. It could be a good thing in the long run?

Kinda with you guys. A 40K MMO sounds super rad but I'm not really an MMO guy so I'm not too upset about this.

Actually now this game is on my radar! Because MMO's are for shit... Its like they are turning a pack of crappy cigarretes into a cheeseburger.

I hope it reworks into a cool Single Player game. With a real end to it.

@LordAndrew said:

@revel said:

Actually now this game is on my radar! Because MMO's are for shit... Its like they are turning a pack of crappy cigarretes into a cheeseburger.

I hope it reworks into a cool Single Player game. With a real end to it.

I'm not sure I'd eat a cheeseburger that used to be a pack of cigarettes, but you're welcome to try to change my mind. What condiments would be on this cigburger?

Ketchup, spicy mustard, tomatoes, pickles, and a whoooooole lotta nicotine!

@adoggz said:

Does this make it more or less likely that there will be a space marine 2? I loved the shit out of the first one.

They said already (around Space Marines release if I remember) that there was no chance of a sequel.

Which sucks.

Really really really sucks.

This is utter nonsense.

They're going to retool Vigil's MMO in to a single player action adventure instead of continuing Relic's already stellar Warhammer 40k action adventure!?

This is why you're falling apart, THQ. It's shit like this.

Fuck.

I feel obligated to go out and purchase every game THQ puts out in the future, just to try and support them.

Goddammit, I don't care what you put out, just give me a product and I'll give you money.

This sucks for the guys who lost their jobs but the odds of me playing this game just greatly increased.

Well, okay. My brother was looking forward to the MMO, don't know how he'll feel about this.

And now I no longer feel sure enough to pre-order Darksiders 2. *sigh* Sorry, Vigil, but I have to wait for reviews.

@Rincewind said:

THQ is going to ruin the Warhammer franchise. I think another developer should get a hold of it now and see what they can do.

I'd love to see a DICE made Battlefield 40K...

Layoffs are never a good thing, but I have to say that I'm more excited about Dark Millennium now that it's no longer going to be an MMO. Though I love pretty much everything about the Warhammer 40K universe, I don't think even that would have been enough to make me want to play an MMO.

@sushisteve:

Based it on the Gaunts Ghost books and I'll buy 40

Too bad

@spazmaster666 said:

Layoffs are never a good thing, but I have to say that I'm more excited about Dark Millennium now that it's no longer going to be an MMO. Though I love pretty much everything about the Warhammer 40K universe, I don't think even that would have been enough to make me want to play an MMO.

Agreed.

I would still absolutely play a non-MMO Vigil made Warhammer 40k action-RPG.

@iAmJohn said:

@Rincewind

THQ is going to ruin the Warhammer franchise. I think another developer should get a hold of it now and see what they can do.

Yup, they sure are going to ruin it with games like Dawn of War, all the expansions, Space Marine...

lol thank you. Those games were fucking awesome. Also, EA has done more damage than THQ ever will. WAR was pretty fucking good (or could have been with a few simple updates), but EA didn't give a fuck about that game and now we're left with the atrocity we have today.

The Emperor protects.

Every MMO that sounds interesting ends up being cancelled...

Alex is back to his old writing self. But yeah sad news I really hope THQ pulls through, they've given me some awesome games over the years.

@Cretaceous_Bob said:

I wish somebody would come buy Relic and save them from the shitstorm that is coming.

Gotta agree. Relic is totally worthy of a better publisher. Hopefully some company w/the resources makes a move.

@pweidman said:

@Cretaceous_Bob said:

I wish somebody would come buy Relic and save them from the shitstorm that is coming.

Gotta agree. Relic is totally worthy of a better publisher. Hopefully some company w/the resources makes a move.

fo real. I wouldn't mind Square buying them. They have been doing pretty good with their american based companies.

mmos without a real triple A following can't survive. They all go free-to-play with micro trans after a year and everyone stops playing them. Publishers need to learn that if they want to create a real triple A mmo, they need a more established base than warhammer. Warhammer is awesome, but doesn't have the wide mainstream appeal that an mmo needs. That being said, Half Life mmo in 2051!

man, fuck this. Relic and Vigil are two of the best studios in the games business right now. it just ain't fair.

also i'm MUCH more excited for Dark Millennium now that it's not an mmo.

As a person who is inexplicably in love with Warhammer, this news broke my heart, even if it didn't come as a surprise. Still, I hope the product they're able to ship is worth buying... I want to like your game, THQ!

Wow I really feel for Relic on this one. Those dudes have only put out quality games and should not be caught up in this.

@Alex I expect a rap over this, Navarro!

They put way too much money into Homefront which I thought shoudl've never been made with the horrible story it had.  These days, we need to at least be able to believe somewhat a story based in modern times. 
 
I do say THQ took way too long to make a WH40k or just a WH game for at least the Xbox 360 and PC, it could of been a huge money maker if done mostly good.

This is the worst news -- THE WORST! Was so looking forward to this game. I hope whatever Vigil ends up with at the end of all this is still an enjoyable experience, but I have my doubts that you can rejigger an MMO into a single-player game and have it end up all right without some major, major changes. Wouldn't it make more sense to try to scale it down to a PSO/Guild Wars sized "mmo"? Solo-friendly, heavily instanced, but with a lot of the MMO trappings intact and the ability to party up for more challenging content and PVP.

@Zippedbinders said:

@phrosnite said:

Nooooooooooooo. I need a 3rd Darksiders! Let's all buy two copies each of Darksider 2!

I knew something bad was going on at Relic. They haven't announced a new game.

That couldn't have anything to do with, oh I don't know, the fact that they shipped a game in September? They aren't a huge studio, they can only release so many games at a time.

Honestly, I feel that this news is better than the result of a 40K MMO would have been. Making it a single player game means I'm far more likely to play it. They won't have to worry about ongoing server costs or competing with ToR or WoW. Its incredibly unfortunate that people had to be let go, but I can't see a future where a 40K MMO wouldn't have tanked incredibly hard.

Relic is working on Dawn of War III, last I checked. They haven't made a big reveal, but they've definitely announced it.

Not really a fan of the 40K universe so the MMO didn't interest me, even though what I have read of the lore is kind of cool. The loss of jobs is the big thing here I feel, that is never a good thing :(

well this has been a fun week, first Prey 2 now this.  All thats left is for EA/DICE to say they will never ever make another Mirrors Edge and that just about be the icing on the cake. 

Obviously the layoffs part of this news is depressing, but I am personally very happy that Dark Millenium is becoming a single-player game. I am not a fan of MMOs, but I do really like the Warhammer 40k universe, so I am happy that I will get to play this game now.

does thq need a kickstarter to help pay the bills?

@Mace said:

Obviously the layoffs part of this news is depressing, but I am personally very happy that Dark Millenium is becoming a single-player game. I am not a fan of MMOs, but I do really like the Warhammer 40k universe, so I am happy that I will get to play this game now.

Same. The layoffs are really, really unfortunate, but let's be honest, this MMO would have been fucking doomed even if they had scraped together enough cash to take it all the way. Now there's a chance (a slim chance, admittedly) that it will end up a viable thing.

Jesus fuck. Both Relic and Vigil have a solid track record (okay, one awesome game in Vigil's case). When I think about it THQ itself had a slew of great games in the last two years. Where did this shit actually start?

Crap, relic makes good stuff too. Vigil of course makes darksiders one of my favorite series so i would hate for them to shutter! this is not good :(

@paulunga said:

Where did this shit actually start?

Well, uDraw didn't do them any favors.

Maybe they realised that an MMO probably wasn't the smartest place to throw their money at the moment considering the competition and soon to be announced competition.

I think I will buy some of those armors DLC@pweidman said:

@Cretaceous_Bob said:

I wish somebody would come buy Relic and save them from the shitstorm that is coming.

Gotta agree. Relic is totally worthy of a better publisher. Hopefully some company w/the resources makes a move.

there's only EA or asstivision "with the resources", both ain't a "better publisher" to be honest

@TheHT said:

I would still absolutely play a non-MMO Vigil made Warhammer 40k action-RPG.

Yep. Shame the mmo was cancelled though :(

@iAmJohn: Yeah I guess maybe "never" was a tad hyperbolic.

There are a couple of times they mentioned about there being "no room for a sequel". It seemed that it was because they were stretched thin with the MMO and the rumoured new RTS they were supposedly making, but, I remember they were quite adamant that there wouldn't be, they didn't think it went as well as it could.

And, they see the Imperium Faction in the MMO was sufficient to be considered internally as the sequel.

Man this sucks. Hope they finish at least Dawn of War 3.

That is a bugger, from what little (nay tiny) information I had about it Dark Millennium seemed interesting, even if it was an mmo. Too much to hope for that we could get a Dragon Age Origins style single game where we pick a race and class and have this big ass adventure. No, that is too much for. hell, when it comes to anything to do with Games Workshop and its universe, I tend to assume its all going to be awesome (like the Horus Heresy book series... jesus, I keep reading them but they are a long way off what I was hoping for) and get a little bummed out when they don't hit my expecations.

@TheHT: Did you play Space Marine?

If only this happened to SW:TOR I would've played it too.