It isn't because I'm in denial; I'm not. It isn't because I was hoping for something else; I wasn't. I had no idea what it was. Even after E3, I had no idea what it was. Now I actually know what it is.
Wii Music
Game » consists of 4 releases. Released Oct 20, 2008
Wii Music allows users to play and experiment with over 60 different instruments with up to three other players, focusing on fun and creativity instead of the "play as correctly as possible"-approach found in other music games.
The flak this gets makes me very depressed.
1Up's Jennifer Tsao actually gave it an A-, so maybe it won't get the same heat from critics as it did after E3.
It was a big part of Nintendo's notorious E3 press conference, and was presented pretty terribly. It also doesn't help that some of the instruments sound pretty bad, but whatever. I'm not really interested in the game myself, but that's all the more reason to not bother throwing hate in it's direction without playing it or even fully understanding what it is.
"In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument. Because of that, Wii Music seems more like a music game than Rock Band."
Ark, I couldn't agree more.
One thing I've learned from Sean Malstrom's articles is that he describes people judging Nintendo's decisions because they only see it through a certain context. examples would be Nintendo's online. People dont like it, because they have only seen online through a PC context, which is obviously evident in Xbox Live.
So, in the case of Wii Music, people hate it because they only see these type of games in the guitar hero/rock band context. You're not gonna see the point if you think it's a cheap version of Rock Band.
I'm gonna be renting the game to give it a try when it comes out next week as well. I'm actually looking forward to playing it. Sure to be a fun little diversion.
""In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument. Because of that, Wii Music seems more like a music game than Rock Band."Why is it that everyone seems to think that people dislike Wii games because they're mindblowingly different or something?
Ark, I couldn't agree more.
One thing I've learned from Sean Malstrom's articles is that he describes people judging Nintendo's decisions because they only see it through a certain context. examples would be Nintendo's online. People dont like it, because they have only seen online through a PC context, which is obviously evident in Xbox Live.
So, in the case of Wii Music, people hate it because they only see these type of games in the guitar hero/rock band context. You're not gonna see the point if you think it's a cheap version of Rock Band.
I'm gonna be renting the game to give it a try when it comes out next week as well. I'm actually looking forward to playing it. Sure to be a fun little diversion."
Dude, it's not just the freeform and button pressing garbage...have you seen this game's track list? :S
"Dude, it's not just the freeform and button pressing garbage...have you seen this game's track list? :S"I can't wait to jam to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
"TheGTAvaccine said:I was actually pretty hyped up for Yankee Doodle myself."Dude, it's not just the freeform and button pressing garbage...have you seen this game's track list? :S"I can't wait to jam to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star."
Sure, the tracklist could be better, but this is a game that's supposed to be accessible to all. What seven year old is going to be able to hold the rhythm to Won't Get Fooled Again? It's either popular songs that only some know, or really popular songs that everyone knows. The latter is what they went with, with good reason.
"Wii Music seems more like the kind of thing that I'm interested in, which is more jam-session experimentation. Sure, it may not be freeform, and you still may be playing covers, but you have some modicum of control over what is being played. In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument."
there can be no music game besides a cover game, because otherwise it would essentially be a virtual recording studio, and obviously people don't want to put in the time for that.... or they wouldn't be playing rock band, but would have learned to play real guitar.
so you're telling me that if i randomly press frets down on the guitar it will turn into a coherent song? and taht pressing random buttons and randomly waggling the wiimote around is supposed to be creative?
Wii Music lets you choose instrument and style for every voice in a song; then uses gestures and button presses for you to influence every track to the way you like. Yes, people have been doing very nice, very creative things with it.
Compare these two versions of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star".
The problem with playing Wii Music like this is that it's insanely difficult. There's nothing casual about being "good" at getting Wii Music songs right: It is hard work and requires a lot of practice.
On top of that, there's the fully functional virtual drumkit (if you have the balance board) and it's lessons, as well as the minigames and the conducting.
Wii Music fails on many levels, but the general view of what it "is" is still fairly off.
"Most musicians like digging into stuff like Fruity Loops and stuff like that even though they play real instruments. How is this any different?@Arkthemaniac said:so you're telling me that if i randomly press frets down on the guitar it will turn into a coherent song? and taht pressing random buttons and randomly waggling the wiimote around is supposed to be creative?there can be no music game besides a cover game, because otherwise it would essentially be a virtual recording studio, and obviously people don't want to put in the time for that.... or they wouldn't be playing rock band, but would have learned to play real guitar. ""Wii Music seems more like the kind of thing that I'm interested in, which is more jam-session experimentation. Sure, it may not be freeform, and you still may be playing covers, but you have some modicum of control over what is being played. In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument."
" It isn't because I'm in denial; I'm not. It isn't because I was hoping for something else; I wasn't. I had no idea what it was. Even after E3, I had no idea what it was. Now I actually know what it is.If you want to play covers of public domain songs go ahead. Wii Music offers no room to be creative. You wiggle the remote and Dogs bark to the tune of Yankee Doodle. Have fun when you actually play this game.Frankly, I'm pretty impressed with it. I've played a lot of Rock Band, as well as Guitar Hero, as well as real instruments and vocal music. I'm actually excited to give Wii Music a go, and here's why. With Rock Band, you are set on a given path. You have to nail these notes or nail the solo in order for you to advance. In this way, it's like being in a virtual cover band. Scratch that. By definition, it is a virtual cover band. Wii Music seems more like the kind of thing that I'm interested in, which is more jam-session experimentation. Sure, it may not be freeform, and you still may be playing covers, but you have some modicum of control over what is being played. In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument. Because of that, Wii Music seems more like a music game than Rock Band. The fact that everyone and their dog are lashing out against it say to me that people lack a shred of creativity. Do you have to have a goal to play a game? If so, don't become a musician, please. We need less sheep making albums."
" @Arkthemaniac said:I won't be playing it any time soon, if ever to be honest. I'm virtually done with games for a while, and this is far from the top of my list." It isn't because I'm in denial; I'm not. It isn't because I was hoping for something else; I wasn't. I had no idea what it was. Even after E3, I had no idea what it was. Now I actually know what it is.If you want to play covers of public domain songs go ahead. Wii Music offers no room to be creative. You wiggle the remote and Dogs bark to the tune of Yankee Doodle. Have fun when you actually play this game. "Frankly, I'm pretty impressed with it. I've played a lot of Rock Band, as well as Guitar Hero, as well as real instruments and vocal music. I'm actually excited to give Wii Music a go, and here's why. With Rock Band, you are set on a given path. You have to nail these notes or nail the solo in order for you to advance. In this way, it's like being in a virtual cover band. Scratch that. By definition, it is a virtual cover band. Wii Music seems more like the kind of thing that I'm interested in, which is more jam-session experimentation. Sure, it may not be freeform, and you still may be playing covers, but you have some modicum of control over what is being played. In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument. Because of that, Wii Music seems more like a music game than Rock Band. The fact that everyone and their dog are lashing out against it say to me that people lack a shred of creativity. Do you have to have a goal to play a game? If so, don't become a musician, please. We need less sheep making albums."
" @JeffGoldblum said:Then please dont talk about it like you know what it is." @Arkthemaniac said:I won't be playing it any time soon, if ever to be honest. I'm virtually done with games for a while, and this is far from the top of my list. "" It isn't because I'm in denial; I'm not. It isn't because I was hoping for something else; I wasn't. I had no idea what it was. Even after E3, I had no idea what it was. Now I actually know what it is.If you want to play covers of public domain songs go ahead. Wii Music offers no room to be creative. You wiggle the remote and Dogs bark to the tune of Yankee Doodle. Have fun when you actually play this game. "Frankly, I'm pretty impressed with it. I've played a lot of Rock Band, as well as Guitar Hero, as well as real instruments and vocal music. I'm actually excited to give Wii Music a go, and here's why. With Rock Band, you are set on a given path. You have to nail these notes or nail the solo in order for you to advance. In this way, it's like being in a virtual cover band. Scratch that. By definition, it is a virtual cover band. Wii Music seems more like the kind of thing that I'm interested in, which is more jam-session experimentation. Sure, it may not be freeform, and you still may be playing covers, but you have some modicum of control over what is being played. In Rock Band, you have NO control, except for hitting the notes given to you. In Wii Music, you have control over rhythm. There's some level of creativity involved rather than just skill at the instrument. Because of that, Wii Music seems more like a music game than Rock Band. The fact that everyone and their dog are lashing out against it say to me that people lack a shred of creativity. Do you have to have a goal to play a game? If so, don't become a musician, please. We need less sheep making albums."
BTW 5,263 posts is hardly staying away from games.
" @Arkthemaniac said:Dude, I haven't been legitimately on the site in like a month and a half. Get off my ass.I won't be playing it any time soon, if ever to be honest. I'm virtually done with games for a while, and this is far from the top of my list. "Then please dont talk about it like you know what it is.
BTW 5,263 posts is hardly staying away from games. "
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