Just as bad as the old games were for their time. Nice to see they keep the tradition going.

I remember when the first one came out on the first Playstation.
 
It was pretty impressive graphically, but once the N64 came out with good 3D graphics, and the Playstation came out with great 2D games, all that was left was a bad fighter.

No, it wasn't impressive even for its time. Awful franchise.

So, a new Tekken and a new Toshinden. This is just like the old days.

" So, a new Tekken and a new Toshinden. This is just like the old days. "

" @atomic_dumpling said:

" So, a new Tekken and a new Toshinden. This is just like the old days. "

And people still forgetting about Virtua Fighter 5. "

I like the character designs. A lot. But I can see how the gameplay may be suspect

It looks like a compilation of Japanese animes.

Just as bad as the old games were for their time. Nice to see they keep the tradition going.

Nooooooooooo where are the fighter from the other games of the franchise???  
 
I actually liked the toshinden games. Now a complete remake mixed with an anime style. 
 
This isn't toshinden :(

I don't understand the logic in bringing back this series, now, on this system.  The only response i can muster up is..... why?

" @Al3xand3r said:

Just as bad as the old games were for their time. Nice to see they keep the tradition going.

The old games had the virtue of having cutting edge graphics for the time, sort of a Crysis situation going on.  The first game had better shadows than this new Toshiden has on Wii, so this version has no such distinction.  Just about everyone was deceiving themselves into thinking the first Toshiden was great when it came out.  Just a few years later I played the game again and I realized how god awful those controls were. "

You're joking, right?  Also, I'd just like to say that the most experience I had with Toshinden was the Game Boy version, which you can imagine played nothing like the Playstation titles.  It was fun, but stupidly simple and of course no one else I knew had a cartridge, so I couldn't play multiplayer on it. "

" @Hailinel said:

You're joking, right?  Also, I'd just like to say that the most experience I had with Toshinden was the Game Boy version, which you can imagine played nothing like the Playstation titles.  It was fun, but stupidly simple and of course no one else I knew had a cartridge, so I couldn't play multiplayer on it. "

Absolutely not joking, why would you even think that?  Yea I'd played the Gameboy version too, not even a remotely similar experience. "

" @Diamond said:

" @Hailinel said:

You're joking, right?  Also, I'd just like to say that the most experience I had with Toshinden was the Game Boy version, which you can imagine played nothing like the Playstation titles.  It was fun, but stupidly simple and of course no one else I knew had a cartridge, so I couldn't play multiplayer on it. "

Absolutely not joking, why would you even think that?  Yea I'd played the Gameboy version too, not even a remotely similar experience. "

The graphics in Crysis were hyped to hell and back several times over, thanks to the internet.  No such hype for Toshinden existed.  That being said, it looks like Takara Tomy is taking things in a completely different direction with this new game.  None of the original characters are in it, and it appears to be a new setting.  The combat is obviously disconnecting itself from anything resembling Tekken or Virtua Fighter.  For all intents and purposes, the game is really Toshinden only in name, aside from the fact that it's a weapon-based fighting game.  As for why the Wii, Tomy's Naruto fighting games on the GameCube and Wii have been fairly successful sellers as far as I know, so maybe that's the audience they're going for. "

The graphics in Crysis were hyped to hell and back several times over, thanks to the internet.  No such hype for Toshinden existed.

That being said, it looks like Takara Tomy is taking things in a completely different direction with this new game.  None of the original characters are in it, and it appears to be a new setting.  The combat is obviously disconnecting itself from anything resembling Tekken or Virtua Fighter.  For all intents and purposes, the game is really Toshinden only in name, aside from the fact that it's a weapon-based fighting game.  As for why the Wii, Tomy's Naruto fighting games on the GameCube and Wii have been fairly successful sellers as far as I know, so maybe that's the audience they're going for.

" @Hailinel said:

The graphics in Crysis were hyped to hell and back several times over, thanks to the internet.  No such hype for Toshinden existed.

It was all about gaming magazines and word of mouth with Toshinden.  Every game magazine I read at the time was saying how great the game was, it would have been probably ~90% metacritic by today's standards.  There was definitely game hype before the internet, it just wasn't as uniform or widespread.
 
@Hailinel said:

That being said, it looks like Takara Tomy is taking things in a completely different direction with this new game.  None of the original characters are in it, and it appears to be a new setting.  The combat is obviously disconnecting itself from anything resembling Tekken or Virtua Fighter.  For all intents and purposes, the game is really Toshinden only in name, aside from the fact that it's a weapon-based fighting game.  As for why the Wii, Tomy's Naruto fighting games on the GameCube and Wii have been fairly successful sellers as far as I know, so maybe that's the audience they're going for.

Yea, it's definitely not 'Toshiden' anymore.  I don't know if there's any merit to what they're making, and straying from the traditional 2D or 3D fighting game mechanics has always been discouraged by most of the gaming community. "

" @Al3xand3r said:

Just as bad as the old games were for their time. Nice to see they keep the tradition going.

The old games had the virtue of having cutting edge graphics for the time, sort of a Crysis situation going on.  The first game had better shadows than this new Toshiden has on Wii, so this version has no such distinction.  Just about everyone was deceiving themselves into thinking the first Toshiden was great when it came out.  Just a few years later I played the game again and I realized how god awful those controls were. "

I never play any of these games, but judging by some of the responds, it was a pretty obscure series. 
 
Now, if it's possible for a company to bring back an obscure fighting game series, then maybe there's hope for a new Bloody Roar game.

Well, I dug out an old  german magazine (Video Games, issue 1/96) which includes reviews of both Virtual Fighter 2 (Sega Saturn) and Toshinden S (Sega Saturn). Let's take a look-see.
 
VF2 get's 90% (back then 90+ still meant something). The reviewer praises the graphics, saying they are "fantastically animated" , there are no flickering sprites or other glitches (p. 37). Apparently it ran at 60 FPS which was quite impressive in 1996.
 
Now, Toshinden S gets "only" 86%. Sadly, the reviewer talks a lot about the differences between the PSX and the Saturn version and says next to nothing about the game itself (p. 86). According to this, the Saturn version is technically worse, but has a new character (Cupido) and quicker Quick-Kicks and Quick-Slashes (whatever that might be).

I thought they looked pretty bad back then too. Virtua Fighter 2 came out the same year and was miles better, while Toshinden 2 later didn't even come close to it. The Toshinden games were waaaay too slow also. Visually the first didn't look much beyond the first Virtua Fighter which was out a year earlier and was probably (one of?) the first 3D fighter(s). Maybe it had better lighting. Virtua Fighter was faster and more fluid than Toshinden. I had no idea the franchise was praised for anything, even something as superficial as the visuals, I thought it was mediocre in every way.

what the fuck was that it doesn't even have any of the original charaters?

" @Godwind said:

" @atomic_dumpling said:

" So, a new Tekken and a new Toshinden. This is just like the old days. "

And people still forgetting about Virtua Fighter 5. "

Virtua Fighter 5 has been out for... what? Two years? Three years? I don't see why it should still be on most people tongues. Besides, it may be deep and balanced, but that doesn't take away from the fact that its boring as hell. I play my copy for about an hour then realise that I would much rather be playing Tekken or KOF.  "