Yes, another Wii thread.  If you enjoy games, you get games no matter where they are, no matter the platform.  I real and true gamer embraces all.  It is idiotic to deny yourself a good experience.

Dude, you ae 100% right, Wii is awesome

Damn, 239 games. Its true. If you can't find 12 games on that list that you would enjoy, then you are a fanboy.

"Damn, 239 games. Its true. If you can't find 12 games on that list that you would enjoy, then you are a fanboy."

Take the games in the score range of 60s as an example.  Sure, for my tastes, I wouldn't even buy a lot of those games even for $10.  But that list includes games that I would pay near full price for:

I disagree, I think console bashing threads are sadder than console defense threads and console defense threads should be made in response to console bashing threads because some people are just that ignorant or guillible and should easily be able to see there's a clear opposing side as well, to at least have them look into the matter a little more than just decide to go with the flow as so many people have clearly done when it comes down to the Wii. You can always tell them from the title and ignore them if you're among the more knowledgable bunch or find them bad. In any case, presenting the good aspects of a system is not sadder than just outright attacking anything you don't like, especally when you know there's some 50 million users who do like it, and some of them are bound to be around here.

Nice listing, and I agree that many of the lower rated games are very underrated, and the same goes for "good games" that are instead "great" etc. The Wii's getting the short end of the stick when it comes to the oh so hardcore media. At least it'll never have threads like the Resi 5 threads people make wondering why the game scored so high or whatever. But since people pay so much attention to scores, it's bad it gets misrepresented like this.

So old school do you have to post a defense thread every time some one posts a bashing thread? how about just posting in the bashing thread? as for that i will have to disagree since i don't believe most people go out of their way to play below A games and even sub A games, they want AA, AAA and AAAA.

Hold the phone a second, oldschool, did you make that list yourself?

Wii is great, it has benefits the other consoles dont have but the other consoles have their own benefits too. People got to stop complaining about the wii i would love some more hardcore games but i have more fun playing games with friends on it then anything.

Dude, you'd be my best friend if you were here. You could like, treat me some millions and stuff. Metacritic business is going well, yeah?





:P

"HandsomeDead said:

"Hold the phone a second, oldschool, did you make that list yourself?"

Why yes, yes I did.  I went around the world and contacted every single reviewer that has ever reviewed a Wii game.  Then I compiled all of thos reviews into a single list, averaged out the scores and there you have it.  I even made a website of it, I called it Metacritic.  I am very clever, I am sure you agree. :P"

Or  you can consider that a) you don't have to buy the red games so it's completely irrelevant how many are there, and b) few people will ever buy the complete collection of well rated games on any system. And of course, he did say only to use reviews as a guide and not an authority, many of them are underrated on all platforms, and of course some are overrated too. It's still an indication.

And of course it's pure bullshit to call every game except one or two better on other systems, especially when so many of them are exclusives that don't exist on other systems and you can only speculate how they might have been. Heck, just the fact you speculate that much shows interest anyway, no matter how much you "hate" this platform and bash everything it has... Except World of Goo, lol.

Yeah, we can't trust the well rated Wii games, even though you use those same raters for the other systems to show they're better...

Eh, on second thought, when did oldschool try to say anything about the Wii having more good games than other systems anyway? Why bring that up as if this was a versus thread? He mostly tried to show it's bullshit to say there's "nothing" worthy on it like you just did once again.

Considering the thread is about general quality of the games available on the platform, bringing up the bad stuff seems just as relevant as the good stuff, particularly how it only seems to be the bad stuff out there and that's what people, and me, say they that's all they come across when buying Wii games.

And of course, when I said better else where, i mentioned Rock Back with its constant DLC updates rather than having to buy the discs and wait for Harmonix to get it going on the Wii Shop. What I said about the others was that playing Mario Galaxy on the Xbox 360 would have been equally as good seeing as the motion controls did nothing besides swap a button for a waggle.

Where did I say you couldn't trust it? All I was saying there was more good stuff and less bad, so if you want fun and good games, the Wii the worst option according to Metacritic.

I think a lot of people are too critical towards games these days, especially towards Wii games. I admit, I think I'm far to critical about games and I won't buy games unless I know it's excellent. I don't get a much money though and I can't afford to pay for many games, so I make sure my money is well spent.

Yeah you didn't even really respond to my or his post(s) with that but k, whatever, I didn't expect you to.

The Wii only has 8 excellent games? Awe, and how many of those multi-platform games are better on other systems?

"his isn't about comparing consoles to see which one has a bigger penis.  Seriously, that would be childish.  This is about looking at the Wii library in its own right.  Surely you agree, that based on any of those scores, then all of the systems are worth owning, none of them are bad and as an individual, your personal gaming tastes will dictate which games, wherever they come from, will be the ones you own?"

"Yeah you didn't even really respond to my post(s) with that but k, whatever, I didn't expect you to."

"The Wii only has 8 excellent games? Awe, and how many of those multi-platform games are better on other systems?"

@ Handsome. You quote the point. Then you ask what the point is and once again deviate from it? Good job!

I am, as you call it, an all embracing gamer. Yes I have my preferences but I own all (major/current gen) consoles and buy good games were I can get them. And I like playing my Wii a lot.

I will say though that I dont get how lists can be used to prove a point in defense of a brand. As you have said yourself oldschool several times (in other words) that often it comes down to personal ideas about games and certain kinds of games. And at the end of the day thats all that really matters. If someone doesnt like a console because of their own preferences then the console is not good, its not offering anything to that person. Waving a list in their face and saying look a lot of other people say they like these games so you dont have to like it, but you have to acknowledge its still awesome is nosensical.

Look man, I agree with you, I think that the Wii is a great console and a blast to play. But I dont need everyone else to think so as well to get the most fun out of it I can.

Lists of generally considered good games don't insult anyone, even when waved at their face, though they can see the title and not click it. On the other hand, the only reason to wave to others' faces that something sucks, has no good games, etc, which this type of thread responds to, clearly is simply to insult things one doesn't like, and often in provocative ways when they know people who are into it will read it. Threads like this at least show there's an opposing "side" so the people who are genuinly ignorant of the situation don't simply fall for the vocal attackers that say nothing good is on the Wii. And the rest people can just have fun with the "arguments" certain individuals try to pull so it's all good.

If you are refering to HansomeDead, then I can see why based off what you two have had to say to each other here. And he definately took it off on a my console is better then yours tangent there. But its exactly why I dont see the value in list or statistics of any nature. Because people either take it the wrong way or use it as a tool to start an arguement when there needed be one.

Personally I just find it more "convincing" for lack of a better word when I read about some one else playing a really great game or two and saying what they did or didnt like about the game etc. I'd just rather see more about the quality then the quantity. Again not saying there was wasnt a lot of quality on that list or that your wrong or anything. Just that seeing it in list format with a numerical value attached it doesnt encourage to look beyond it more again dismiss it as just another list, I am not sure you are going to achieve what you are trying to.

I may be wrong though, I have been before. lol.

(sorry I took so long to reply. I am at work and the cops showed up to look at some video footage from our cameras last night :-/ )

People like you and me and oldschool are in the minority who doesn't take scores as the absolute authority, he's explained his reasoning well multiple times. However, Metacritic is this popular exactly because so many people do use it.

Also, there have been many threads with people enjoying a few great games, and the common response to that is "one game doesn't make a system worth it" or "it would be better in HD without waggle" and other such statements.

There's another similar to this thread which uses the person's personal opinion as the judge. It wasn't accepted any more than this one.

I'm sure you're well aware of the position such people take when it comes to the Wii. The problem is that kind of people are so vocal, they can start affecting others who don't know better, or they simply get annoying and give a false impression of the community's position, so it's good to have the opposite type of statements present and prominent in the forums just as much. This is another social gathering, I put my piece in about the Wii when people discuss it in public also if they make similar ridiculous claims as seen on these boards. Why should people who feel different just shut up, just because they're called fanboys and defenders or other crap.

Hell, a 30 year old casual gamer friend of mine just bought her casual gamer kids a 360 just because of the vocal people that talk about how much it sucks and what not. The catch? She will neither allow it to connect online, nor will she buy any violent games for them, so she'll restrict purchases to sports games, platformers, maybe a beat em up, and other such titles, and at best one every couple of months or more. Who honestly believes that's the absolute best choice for a 30, a 14 and an 8 year old over the Wii considering the desirable titles?

People who just bash the Wii never put it into any context other than what THEY like (all the online FPS games and what not), and what THEY hate (the Wii), and thus give bad advice, or in general an undeserved bad vibe for the whole system and what it stands for. Threads like this may help someone who isn't as knowledgable (despite being on a gaming website) see things a little more clearly, so that's a win in my book.

And no, before anyone jumps at this, it's just an example of a situation where the Wii should have been considered, it doesn't mean the Wii is just for casual gamers and kids, most of the "Wii bros" as he likes to call them here are multi platform owners, adults, and core gamers.

Thats why I only mentioned a game or two. You know probably as you play them, share experiences etc. lol Sorry if that wasnt clear in my post.

As for the police thing: It was boring as hell. Apparently some guy was here last night and got into a argument with some guy or something and it resulted with his phone being smashed up. From what I gathered from the cops he never got hurt himself so it was pretty minor in the scheme of things. I had to babysit them through an hour of footage asking is that him everytime a male walked in through the front of the building. I have seen some much funnier/insane things in my time on our footage.

This thread is retarded.

Whatever, man.  I'm sticking by my pithy statement that says all that needs to be said about stupid list warz threads that crib from Metacritic to make an argument that doesn't need to be made. :|

The original topic has nothing to do with warz and doesn't use metacritic as an absolute authority, thanks for being oblivious to it yet posting.

"Yes, another Wii thread."

Hey gamespot System Wars tard's GTFO of Giant Bomb. "We don't like your kind here!"

If you want to play with Metacritic scores and talk about scores, bringing up a list of games that are comming to your console to defend your console, and how one source is "teh bias" even though they own all consoles, then go to System Wars along with all the other retards.

Just enjoy the system you have and don't let other people get to your head. Nothing I say, or nothing anyone else says (EVEN JEFF) will somehow make the great games you play on your system magically disapper. Bringing up a list of games and saying "look how great this system is!" is not going to make your console more fun or more functional. If you like your wii just enjoy it and buy the games you like for it, if a game scores a 6 and you love it, then great! Unless your a PR guy for Nintendo, you don't need to defend them. Nintendo has their own PR guys.

Me too, I embrace all manner of games on all platforms. I have played some great games on Wii, many of which are listed above. I hope for many more this year, and expect them, looking at the release schedule and knowing Nintendo will deliver with surprise announcements this year.

"insanejedi said:

"Hey gamespot System Wars tard's GTFO of Giant Bomb. "We don't like your kind here!" If you want to play with Metacritic scores and talk about scores, bringing up a list of games that are comming to your console to defend your console, and how one source is "teh bias" even though they own all consoles, then go to System Wars along with all the other retards. Just enjoy the system you have and don't let other people get to your head. Nothing I say, or nothing anyone else says (EVEN JEFF) will somehow make the great games you play on your system magically disapper. Bringing up a list of games and saying "look how great this system is!" is not going to make your console more fun or more functional. If you like your wii just enjoy it and buy the games you like for it, if a game scores a 6 and you love it, then great! Unless your a PR guy for Nintendo, you don't need to defend them. Nintendo has their own PR guys. "

I think it's really about establishing proof for future arguements. After all, I don't want someone who's never used a Wii to be turned off it by someone smearing the system with a bunch of crap. Besides, it's annoying as hell when people are having a nice conversation about the finer points of porting to the Wii when some douchebag comes in talking about how much the Wii sucks. "

How does Nintendo make the image of games "toy-like" when it convinces adults and even elders to try and enjoy them, and releases wannabe-tools like Wii Fit for them? You have it all backwards I think, Nintendo helps gaming become a more acceptable form of entertainment, not a more kiddy past time.

Those who consider it kiddy are the ignorant oh so hardcores that judge an image that only exists in their thick heads without actually seeing the big picture, or at the very least the quality titles available for it. Much like you displayed here.

In short, your post and your UNINFORMED opinion of the Wii is more garbage than any perceived defence thread, which this isn't, not before the likes of you charge attacking at least.

And Jeff did more than simply ask a question, you just refuse to say it because you agree with his attitude. How peculiar.