It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
Right, but "collect 100 random things in hidden spots as padding for game content so you can get extra points in a profile that nobody will ever look at" doesn't seem like a "game" of any sort. Presumably, gamerscore is remotely meaningful, because of the accomplishments they represent. Like finishing a game. Having OCD and a lot of spare time doesn't seem like an "accomplishment", so I'm not sure what the real reward is of "I'm going to play this game a second time through, using just a pistol so I can get another achievement".
In other words, it seems like being suckered into a scam. I'm not necessarily "anti score", but I can't seem to wrap my head around what it is the score really represents, anymore...
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
Right, but "collect 100 random things in hidden spots as padding for game content so you can get extra points in a profile that nobody will ever look at" doesn't seem like a "game" of any sort. Presumably, gamerscore is remotely meaningful, because of the accomplishments they represent. Like finishing a game. Having OCD and a lot of spare time doesn't seem like an "accomplishment", so I'm not sure what the real reward is of "I'm going to play this game a second time through, using just a pistol so I can get another achievement". In other words, it seems like being suckered into a scam. I'm not necessarily "anti score", but I can't seem to wrap my head around what it is the score really represents, anymore...
You seem to be confusing what you don't like doing with what everyone should be doing. People have been "completitionists" and have been setting their own challenges since the dawn of time. Remember the news about that guy who spent like 700 in Dragon Quest IX some months ago? He did it just for the sake of doing it, there were no Achievements in the game. Or those guys who play the original Deus Ex without killing anyone? Or those crazy, crazy people who play a Final Fantasy game without leveling up? Or... you get what I'm saying.
I don't understand why having an arbitrary numerical value (i.e. Gamerscore) attached to doing something is so silly, if people would do all these crazy things regardless of whether there is an Achievement associated with it or not. Besides, people who really care about getting as much GS as possible won't waste their time with Achievements like the ones you mentioned. Why spend 10 hours for 10 GS when you can get 1000 by playing other games in less time? If you really devote X amount of time to a menial and repetitive task is probably because you want to complete the game in its entirety, not because you want to get a bigger GS.
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
Right, but "collect 100 random things in hidden spots as padding for game content so you can get extra points in a profile that nobody will ever look at" doesn't seem like a "game" of any sort. Presumably, gamerscore is remotely meaningful, because of the accomplishments they represent. Like finishing a game. Having OCD and a lot of spare time doesn't seem like an "accomplishment", so I'm not sure what the real reward is of "I'm going to play this game a second time through, using just a pistol so I can get another achievement". In other words, it seems like being suckered into a scam. I'm not necessarily "anti score", but I can't seem to wrap my head around what it is the score really represents, anymore...
You seem to be confusing what you don't like doing with what everyone should be doing. People have been "completitionists" and have been setting their own challenges since the dawn of time. Remember the news about that guy who spent like 700 in Dragon Quest IX some months ago? He did it just for the sake of doing it, there were no Achievements in the game. Or those guys who play the original Deus Ex without killing anyone? Or those crazy, crazy people who play a Final Fantasy game without leveling up? Or... you get what I'm saying.
I don't understand why having an arbitrary numerical value (i.e. Gamerscore) attached to doing something is so silly, if people would do all these crazy things regardless of whether there is an Achievement associated with it or not. Besides, people who really care about getting as much GS as possible won't waste their time with Achievements like the ones you mentioned. Why spend 10 hours for 10 GS when you can get 1000 by playing other games in less time? If you really devote X amount of time to a menial and repetitive task is probably because you want to complete the game in its entirety, not because you want to get a bigger GS.
As I said, different ways to enjoy a game.
I agree. My favorite achievements are the ones that require me to play the game in a much different way than I would have thought. Geometry Wars 2 was really good for that.
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
Right, but "collect 100 random things in hidden spots as padding for game content so you can get extra points in a profile that nobody will ever look at" doesn't seem like a "game" of any sort. Presumably, gamerscore is remotely meaningful, because of the accomplishments they represent. Like finishing a game. Having OCD and a lot of spare time doesn't seem like an "accomplishment", so I'm not sure what the real reward is of "I'm going to play this game a second time through, using just a pistol so I can get another achievement". In other words, it seems like being suckered into a scam. I'm not necessarily "anti score", but I can't seem to wrap my head around what it is the score really represents, anymore...
You seem to be confusing what you don't like doing with what everyone should be doing. People have been "completitionists" and have been setting their own challenges since the dawn of time. Remember the news about that guy who spent like 700 in Dragon Quest IX some months ago? He did it just for the sake of doing it, there were no Achievements in the game. Or those guys who play the original Deus Ex without killing anyone? Or those crazy, crazy people who play a Final Fantasy game without leveling up? Or... you get what I'm saying.
I don't understand why having an arbitrary numerical value (i.e. Gamerscore) attached to doing something is so silly, if people would do all these crazy things regardless of whether there is an Achievement associated with it or not. Besides, people who really care about getting as much GS as possible won't waste their time with Achievements like the ones you mentioned. Why spend 10 hours for 10 GS when you can get 1000 by playing other games in less time? If you really devote X amount of time to a menial and repetitive task is probably because you want to complete the game in its entirety, not because you want to get a bigger GS.
As I said, different ways to enjoy a game.
I agree. My favorite achievements are the ones that require me to play the game in a much different way than I would have thought. Geometry Wars 2 was really good for that.
Unfortunately, that's not what most achievements are about - hence my comment that they therefore feel completely meaningless. I appreciate that there are achievements in Deus Ex: Human Revolution that encourage a stealth and non-lethal play-through. I also see the value in an achievement denoting completion of a game as well as, perhaps, completion on certain difficulties (though it is ridiculous when there are separate achievements for each level of difficulty and if you complete the highest difficulty, you don't get the achievements for all the difficulties lower than that automatically). I don't appreciate achievements that reward things which are, as I also mentioned, clearly just padding by a developer. ("This game has 80 hours of gameplay! Fifteen hours for the game and 65 for collecting robs/flags/feathers!").
It seems that a ton of people (I wouldn't say most, but a lot - especially with higher scores) are obsessed with simply getting a higher game score at any cost and "S-ranking" others. That is where my brain disconnects. I am not entirely convinced that nearly as many of these people would care to touch the game after finishing it, if it weren't for the fact that it dangled the carrot of arbitrary meaningless points to stick on your profile. If there weren't a score attached to using a certain weapon to get 30 kills in single player campaign, I don't think they ever would - and that is the sort of more-typical achievement that exists which doesn't contribute to any sort of altered or creative game play.
I realize this has evolved into a discussion that is sort of bent off from what the parent intended. I had just looked at my own score recently when someone mentioned it and sat there for about three minutes asking myself "what is the point of this? these points don't actually represent anything to me... they stick these on your profile for everyone to see when they look at you in or out of game, so . . . it is supposed to represent something important...?".
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
Right, but "collect 100 random things in hidden spots as padding for game content so you can get extra points in a profile that nobody will ever look at" doesn't seem like a "game" of any sort. Presumably, gamerscore is remotely meaningful, because of the accomplishments they represent. Like finishing a game. Having OCD and a lot of spare time doesn't seem like an "accomplishment", so I'm not sure what the real reward is of "I'm going to play this game a second time through, using just a pistol so I can get another achievement". In other words, it seems like being suckered into a scam. I'm not necessarily "anti score", but I can't seem to wrap my head around what it is the score really represents, anymore...
You seem to be confusing what you don't like doing with what everyone should be doing. People have been "completitionists" and have been setting their own challenges since the dawn of time. Remember the news about that guy who spent like 700 in Dragon Quest IX some months ago? He did it just for the sake of doing it, there were no Achievements in the game. Or those guys who play the original Deus Ex without killing anyone? Or those crazy, crazy people who play a Final Fantasy game without leveling up? Or... you get what I'm saying.
I don't understand why having an arbitrary numerical value (i.e. Gamerscore) attached to doing something is so silly, if people would do all these crazy things regardless of whether there is an Achievement associated with it or not. Besides, people who really care about getting as much GS as possible won't waste their time with Achievements like the ones you mentioned. Why spend 10 hours for 10 GS when you can get 1000 by playing other games in less time? If you really devote X amount of time to a menial and repetitive task is probably because you want to complete the game in its entirety, not because you want to get a bigger GS.
As I said, different ways to enjoy a game.
I agree. My favorite achievements are the ones that require me to play the game in a much different way than I would have thought. Geometry Wars 2 was really good for that.
Unfortunately, that's not what most achievements are about - hence my comment that they therefore feel completely meaningless. I appreciate that there are achievements in Deus Ex: Human Revolution that encourage a stealth and non-lethal play-through. I also see the value in an achievement denoting completion of a game as well as, perhaps, completion on certain difficulties (though it is ridiculous when there are separate achievements for each level of difficulty and if you complete the highest difficulty, you don't get the achievements for all the difficulties lower than that automatically). I don't appreciate achievements that reward things which are, as I also mentioned, clearly just padding by a developer. ("This game has 80 hours of gameplay! Fifteen hours for the game and 65 for collecting robs/flags/feathers!"). It seems that a ton of people (I wouldn't say most, but a lot - especially with higher scores) are obsessed with simply getting a higher game score at any cost and "S-ranking" others. That is where my brain disconnects. I am not entirely convinced that nearly as many of these people would care to touch the game after finishing it, if it weren't for the fact that it dangled the carrot of arbitrary meaningless points to stick on your profile. If there weren't a score attached to using a certain weapon to get 30 kills in single player campaign, I don't think they ever would - and that is the sort of more-typical achievement that exists which doesn't contribute to any sort of altered or creative game play. I realize this has evolved into a discussion that is sort of bent off from what the parent intended. I had just looked at my own score recently when someone mentioned it and sat there for about three minutes asking myself "what is the point of this? these points don't actually represent anything to me... they stick these on your profile for everyone to see when they look at you in or out of game, so . . . it is supposed to represent something important...?".
It's like a high score but for all games. People like to have a high score.
I'm at 27K+ right now, edging on 28. Turns out Resident Evil 4 was a huge boost, though I was hoping there'd be an achievement for beating all of Mercenaries with 5 stars. Simply unlocking all the outfits, bottle caps, and beating the game on Professional is not a huge incentive to do a ton of hunting, though unlocking the Handcannon might motivate me to do that stuff.
My Gamerscore is currently 21225, but I don't consider myself a completionist. I just like to play the games I love over and over again.
My most memorable achievement is the "leave no one behind" one for Mass Effect 2. I finally got it on my latest playthrough as FemShep, and I was very happy about it.
It's fun to stop and check your gamerscore sometimes, but I'll never understand the guys who actually play *for* their gamerscore. You know - the guys who will play a game for ten hours after beating it just to collect 100 meaningless feathers for 10 more meaningless "gamerscore".
Different ways to enjoy a game. Nothing wrong with that.
Right, but "collect 100 random things in hidden spots as padding for game content so you can get extra points in a profile that nobody will ever look at" doesn't seem like a "game" of any sort. Presumably, gamerscore is remotely meaningful, because of the accomplishments they represent. Like finishing a game. Having OCD and a lot of spare time doesn't seem like an "accomplishment", so I'm not sure what the real reward is of "I'm going to play this game a second time through, using just a pistol so I can get another achievement". In other words, it seems like being suckered into a scam. I'm not necessarily "anti score", but I can't seem to wrap my head around what it is the score really represents, anymore...
You seem to be confusing what you don't like doing with what everyone should be doing. People have been "completitionists" and have been setting their own challenges since the dawn of time. Remember the news about that guy who spent like 700 in Dragon Quest IX some months ago? He did it just for the sake of doing it, there were no Achievements in the game. Or those guys who play the original Deus Ex without killing anyone? Or those crazy, crazy people who play a Final Fantasy game without leveling up? Or... you get what I'm saying.
I don't understand why having an arbitrary numerical value (i.e. Gamerscore) attached to doing something is so silly, if people would do all these crazy things regardless of whether there is an Achievement associated with it or not. Besides, people who really care about getting as much GS as possible won't waste their time with Achievements like the ones you mentioned. Why spend 10 hours for 10 GS when you can get 1000 by playing other games in less time? If you really devote X amount of time to a menial and repetitive task is probably because you want to complete the game in its entirety, not because you want to get a bigger GS.
As I said, different ways to enjoy a game.
Actually, Dragon Quest IX hands out medals to the player for accomplishing certain in-game feats, much like an achievement system.
If it weren't for Demon's Souls and FFVIII I'd be hitting 30K right about now. I thought 30K was a milestone but after reading this thread the only feeling of accomplishment I have is knowing my score is higher than my friends.
If it weren't for Demon's Souls and FFVIII I'd be hitting 30K right about now. I thought 30K was a milestone but after reading this thread the only feeling of accomplishment I have is knowing my score is higher than my friends.
There are lots of people higher than myself but ya, it's become a "just compete with your friends" sort of deal. Even then, I only have one other guy on my list with a higher score than myself.@Roger778 said:
My Gamerscore is currently 21225, but I don't consider myself a completionist. I just like to play the games I love over and over again. My most memorable achievement is the "leave no one behind" one for Mass Effect 2. I finally got it on my latest playthrough as FemShep, and I was very happy about it.
In no way am I a completionist either, I just like to play lots and lots of different games and a high score is what you end up with. Though, I'd be lying if I said I haven't played some awful games just for some easy points.
I'm a little over 20k but I have a 3 year old son. So as soon as I can turn him into a gamer I'll have him farm the boring achievements for me lol I am kidding people ... well ... sorta :P
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