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    Really good tips to prevent RROD/error messages

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    #1  Edited By Gizmo

    I found this video earlier, some really useful info here. Just ignore the dramatic music.

      
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    #2  Edited By Video_Tycoon

    What about cooling units that dont have their own power thing. >_>

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    #3  Edited By Gizmo
    Video_Tycoon said:
    "What about cooling units that dont have their own power thing. >_>"
    He says they are a good thing to get at the end of the video. I happen to have one by the way.
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    #4  Edited By clubsandwich

    Wow I didn't knew a lot of this things, I actually made all those things that shouldn't be done, no wonder my 360 RROD'd. :(

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    #5  Edited By diz

    I have a few things to say about this video:

    Tip #1. Vertical positioning. The vents on the top and bottom of a horizontal 360 are to let the air out. The air intake is at the back of the console. It would make no difference, so long as there was no obstruction. The vents can only release as much heat as is being blown though them.

    Fully enclosed DVD drive
    Fully enclosed DVD drive

    I think standing the console on-end is far riskier, since bumping or rocking the console may cause the DVD read head to hit the game disk. Replacement disks and drives caused by knocking are not covered under warranty. There's also the potential damaged caused to a console toppling off the table. You might like to look at the comaratively huge vent holes in the side of the console that will be 2mm away from the table if placed vertically.

    Tip #2. Powering off the console does not cause a wind tunnel and sucks in dust and lint. The DVD drive is enclosed within the 360. No power means no fan, means no air flow, means no wind tunnel. Rather, continuously taking your game disk out unnecessarily works the disk eject mechanism and opens the system to outside contaminents. There's also the added risk of handling disks twice every session.

     Tip #3. Dust and lint. I agree that we should always clean our 360's many airways, BUT not by blowing the dust into them. Surely, a vacuum cleaner to SUCK the dust out of the consoles is a better bet.

    Tip #4. Keep it clear of other equipment. It says that in the manual.

    Tip #5. Don't plug the 360 into power extension sockets, they say. I don't see why it would make any difference whatsoever. The videoer says "the Xbox 360 requires a lot of power and these types of connections tend not to provide enough power to the console". I say mains adapters are rated for high current delivery. A UK 360 power supply will draw maximum 2.5 Amps from the mains, when most extension leads are rated to provide 13 Amps - sufficient headroom. The power supply is concerned with suppying a stable low DC voltage to the 360, so it would do the straining, rather than the console.

    Tip #6. Don't put the PSX on carpet or rugs, because of "static", they say. You'll notice that the xbox power supply is double insulated, meaning any possible static buildup outside would not affect the insides of the supply, let alone the console. This "static" electricity is a fanciful excuse for the more real reason of overheating causing combusion. If you are worried about static, imagine all the static on those game disks you're actually putting inside your machines.

    Tip #7. Don't use fans that use power ffom the 360. This is good advice, but they don't say why. The extra power needed to power the fans puts extra stress on the regulators internal to the 360 that supply its USB power circuitry. The extra work means the regulators are not working at the specified current and get hot. I don't think extra fans blowing into the back of existing fans does much to increase airflow anyway, while they  do create a whole lot more noise.

    Unfortunatley, as M$ coughed up with their 1 billion dollar funded 3 year extended warranty, this fault is a manufacturing design fault. If your box is going to red light, there is little you can do to stop it. 

    Much of the blame was placed at the (new at the time) ROHS lead free solder joining the processor to the board. It gave way when the x-clamps used to fix the huge heat-pipe to the processor stressed the board as they heated up. Most non M$ people that offer to fix RRODs do what's known as the x-clamp fix.

    I'm glad I got that off my chest!
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    #6  Edited By thanatos990

    Diz was 200% better

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    #7  Edited By Black_Raven

    The most these tips will ever do is delay the RROD. I treated my 360 like i do any other expensive piece of hardware, carefully and do all i can to prevent it from malfunctioning, but still the inevitable happened. The best advice anyone can give you is dont void the warranty!

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    #8  Edited By Clockswork

    Thanks Diz :D

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    #9  Edited By ColMustard

    Lots of good info all around... For me, Horizontal is a must.  When I RROD'd, I was in an enclosed entertainment center and plugged into a cheap power strip.  After I got my xbox repaired (not refurbed) I put it out in the open and directly into the wall.  I also run a small fan around the back of it, but not directly into it.  I also vacume it from time to time.  RROD is a shity thing so I'm taking my precausions for sure.  Lastly, this may sound like superstition but I watched a video that said to unplug your console after every use.  I do it out of habit now...

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    #10  Edited By Bonesofwar

    I've left games in my 360 loads of times, and always left it sitting horizontally when in use. It is chugging along nicely, so far.

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    #11  Edited By diz
    ColMustard said:
    "Lots of good info all around... For me, Horizontal is a must.  When I RROD'd, I was in an enclosed entertainment center and plugged into a cheap power strip.  After I got my xbox repaired (not refurbed) I put it out in the open and directly into the wall.  I also run a small fan around the back of it, but not directly into it.  I also vacume it from time to time.  RROD is a shity thing so I'm taking my precausions for sure.  Lastly, this may sound like superstition but I watched a video that said to unplug your console after every use.  I do it out of habit now..."
    Its a good idea to turn them off at the plug after use. This is because they are in standby mode when plugged in, wating for a command form the xbox remote to turn the fans, processor and light on. So cutting the power at the mains saving them from idling and saves electricity. This is true of most  mains equipment with "soft-touch" on/off switches.
    I got my 360 ideas from being a bit of an electronics buff, but mainly through being bitten 5 times with dodgy 360s.

    I started up a protest web site in June last year to try and get something done over the outrageous 360 repair turn around times last summer. I think I am one of a very few to have gotten a full refund from M$ after campaining to get a working 360 got me on radio 1! (I love the 360 so much I got an elite with the refund.)

    The old web site is at www.ringofdeath.co.uk It does have some good info on it, but the M$ repair times got better, so I shut the forums down and stopped updating the site. I kept the domain name - it'd be a great name for a 360 gaming clan!
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    #12  Edited By Lunarbunny

    Looks reasonable, diz, but vacuum cleaners around electronics are typically a bad idea - they tend to create static electricity due to dust striking the hose. Better is blowing with canned air or a compressor. It may seem counterintuitive, since you seem to be blowing it deeper, but blowing it is more about knocking it off of important heat sinks.

    Plus, vacuums typically don't create enough suction to remove dust more than a couple inches away unless it's already loose - unless you can get close to the heat sink (which would mean voiding the warranty), a lot of the dust will still sit around.

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    #13  Edited By diz

    I disagree - The 360 has a metal "farraday cage" around it. Your claim of static creation through dust striking plastic would occur inside the 360 with its fans  too. As you also state, you just blow the dust deeper into the heat pipe fins and internals.

    If you think about it, the 2 fans inside an xbox blow air into it all the time its on. Vacs get the dust away from the grilles that would otherwise be sucked in, thus keeping the airways clear.

    But its your Xbox - if you want to give it a blow, then go ahead!

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    #14  Edited By ColMustard

    What the f...

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    #15  Edited By cepwin
    Black_Raven said:
    "The most these tips will ever do is delay the RROD. I treated my 360 like i do any other expensive piece of hardware, carefully and do all i can to prevent it from malfunctioning, but still the inevitable happened. The best advice anyone can give you is dont void the warranty!"

    I have to agree with Black_Raven.   I got my 360 a little over two years ago and had no problems before Friday night when 10 minutes into playing Gears 2 (I was in the last act!) it got an E74....bricked!!  It was odd that it happened at that time as I've played it all summer when my house is 10 degrees warmer and it never overheated. (I also keep a fan running to keep the area cool.)  Anyway, coffin is on it's way and I'll hopefully get to beat Gears in three weeks.  Thank goodness I have a PS3!!  I should add one of my Friends had his original unit brick twice and after the second time he bought a new arcade unit  (which hopefully doesn't have fatal flaw of the older models.)   If my unit bricks again I may do likewise.


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    #16  Edited By Wolverine

    I can't stand to watch it because of the music!

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    #17  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor

    A lot of that video sounds like pure shit to me.  Vertical position is actually more damaging to your DVDs & the disk player itself.  What difference does the power supply make if it's in a surge-protection plug?

    Look at it this way:

    1.  If you play the DVDs veritcally you damage the disks & the player, for which Mr. Softy doesn't have to support your console with a 3 year warranty (the warranty is for RROD).  So you end up paying for repairs.

    2.  If a power spike courses through your Xbox 360 because you didn't use a surge protector, it's going to fry your 360.  Microsoft won't have to pay for that either since it wouldn't fall under warranty. You have to buy a new 360.  Or your power supply fries because it got fried from lack of surge protection.

    I only played my 360 on the weekends for the past 1.5 years in a fully open, ventilated area & the power supply was elevated onto a rack. The rack system is made of aluminum & ventilated on all sides with holes in the shelf in which the Xbox was placed.

    I didn't have any hangs or crashes to speak of. I just came in on Saturday morning & found the system RRODed after just turning it on. It worked fine the night before, and now it's dead.

    The support people I talked to at Mr. Softy explained to me that there was no rhyme or reason that caused the RROD. It's just a glitch in the system.  So in all likelihood you'll be wasting your time following the above steps just to find out you still get an RROD down the road...

    This video was probably designed by Cows.

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    #18  Edited By _Rorschach_

    Yeah plug your xbox into a wall input and get your xbox fried by a power surge. I'll leave my xbox in my surge protector.

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    #19  Edited By CreamyGoodness

    bull,. none of those help. they do stop it from over heating but only sometimes, as well as the disc thing, the dvd drive is enclosed.

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    #20  Edited By Chummy8

    I got my 360 more than 2 years ago and still no RRoD.  I'm going to turn it in to get replaced right before the 3 year warranty is up just so I can get an updated system.  In my experience, try to never play more than 4 hours straight.

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    #21  Edited By diz

    Elites can stil RROD, but the new Jasper chip is starting to be fitted in 360s now. This uses less power so runs less hot. It was designed to stop the internal overheating issues causing RROD. Anyone getting a new 360 should make sure they end up with a new Jasper unit.

    These units have internal storage and come with NXE pre-installed.




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    #23  Edited By diz
    Ossi said:
    "Diz about your tip for leaving the disc in or not, when I leave mine in ( never use to before ) I always get disc read errors telling me to clean the disc about 10 minutes into any game. Now if I start up my console with the disc in, but open and close the drive then start playing, it never gives me that error. Regardless - at least with disc usage - you should never leave discs inside any console, PC, DVD player, and so on."
    I'd suggest the problem is with your laser focusing mechanism or thw  lateral movement  mechanism in your drive. Certainly its a drive or disk error. It's not a standard issue you have, since most others don't have this issue. I have only had disk read errors on consoles with faulty drives or damaged disks.

    Please explain why you think leaving the disk inside the console will damage it, whereas using the eject mechanism won't. Of course if you are planning to move your console while powered off, it is good advice to remove the disks....
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    #24  Edited By Philantrophy

    My 360 has a lot of room to breath. It has kept it alive for one and a half years.

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    #25  Edited By mike
    Ossi said:
    "Diz about your tip for leaving the disc in or not, when I leave mine in ( never use to before ) I always get disc read errors telling me to clean the disc about 10 minutes into any game. Now if I start up my console with the disc in, but open and close the drive then start playing, it never gives me that error. Regardless - at least with disc usage - you should never leave discs inside any console, PC, DVD player, and so on."
    This is possibly the most backwards logic I have ever heard in regards to extending console life or preventing RROD.  Which by the way - I don't believe RROD can be prevented, it's either going to happen to your console, or it isn't.
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    #26  Edited By HiroSeven

    I'm in violation of all of the rules in this video it seems. I've gotten one red light flashing on the bottom right quadrant a few times (my xbox is placed horizontally as my TV Stand does not allow space for it to be placed vertically;  not that I'd place it vertically unless it had the disc loading capibilites of the slim PS2). This was easily remidied by turning the xbox off for a few minutes and restarting it.

    I've had my Xbox for exactly 1 year now and about the only other problem I have with it is that it doesn't go to the dash board, or even the logo right away. What I usually do is power it on (when it has not been on for a while ie. >10-12 hours) and leave it for about 3 minutes(the screen is black and a single green light in the upper left quadrant either flashes or is solid at this point), turn it off and wait about 1.5 minutes, then turn it on again. It function's properly after I do this, however I do get that single red light somtimes... which makes me somewhat nervous.

    Another thing to note (and I'm not sure this has anything to do with internal hardware exactly) is that I recently bought the 120GB hard drive about 1 month ago and I have not seen that red light flash since, although the power up issues remain.

    -hiro

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    #27  Edited By Mats

    The device is meant to run in "normal" working conditions that means follow the manual. If it dies under these conditions there is nothing you can do about it and if it were the console wouldn't be on the market yet.

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    #28  Edited By Player1

    Hey Diz, make a video, post it here, and we will all realize how stupid the video Gizmo posted was. :P

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    #29  Edited By cloneslayer

    Listen, take a thick book (I use Harry Potter) and place the 360 so the vents on the bottom hang off of the book. This will allow you to use every vent on the 360. Iv'e told my friends to do this and since then (about a year now) not one of them has gotten the RROD again.

    And how I'm I not suppose to use a power stripe come on. Its also too inconvenient to take out the disc every time. I mean talk about over protective. Hell even if it does break at least you might get one of the new models.

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    #30  Edited By StaticFalconar

    Well, if you the 360 up in a mini fridge, it will guarantee that it will never overheat.

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