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    The Xbox 360 is the second game console produced by Microsoft Corporation and is the successor to the original Xbox.

    So when did these zero point achievements start becoming popular?

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    #1  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor

    I've noticed that the new Deus Ex and El Shaddai have put all of their
    toughest achievements in the "None" category as far as points go.  Is
    the point system going away?
     
    It'll certainly make it tough to S-rank since they can slap on a shit ton
    more achievements to get, that have no value or may be almost impossible
    to get (such as trying to finish Limbo without dying fewer than 5 tries).

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    #2  Edited By solidejake

    I always hated getting an achievement worth nothing! I am not sure why, it just bugged me. Or those achievements that are worth a random amount, like 7 Gamerscore? Bugged the crap out of me.

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    #3  Edited By Vexxan

    @solidejake said:

    I always hated getting an achievement worth nothing! I am not sure why, it just bugged me. Or those achievements that are worth a random amount, like 7 Gamerscore? Bugged the crap out of me.

    Yep, uneven achievements are the worst. So annoyed to see my gamerscore end with a 9 :/

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    #4  Edited By Vonocourt

    @Vegsen said:

    @solidejake said:

    I always hated getting an achievement worth nothing! I am not sure why, it just bugged me. Or those achievements that are worth a random amount, like 7 Gamerscore? Bugged the crap out of me.

    Yep, uneven achievements are the worst. So annoyed to see my gamerscore end with a 9 :/

    I'd trade my 2/7 for your 4/9.

    EDIT: first go around made no sense.

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    #5  Edited By Branthog

    I thought zero point achievements were against the Microsoft Achievement point policy? They require that developer stick to a certain set of rules for achievements.

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    #6  Edited By Kyle

    @Branthog said:

    I thought zero point achievements were against the Microsoft Achievement point policy? They require that developer stick to a certain set of rules for achievements.

    No, there's always been zero-point achievements, just not many games have had them because it's so dumb.

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    #7  Edited By Dany

    I haven't seen one or achieved one in a long long time. They are dumb especially if the goal is something hard.

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    #8  Edited By herocide
    @Branthog said:

    I thought zero point achievements were against the Microsoft Achievement point policy? They require that developer stick to a certain set of rules for achievements.

    Halo 3's Vidmaster Achievements were worth zero, so I don't think so.
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    #9  Edited By jay_ray

    To all the people who think zero point achievements are dumb why are they dumb? Is it because they do not add an arbitrary amount of points your your arbitrary total? The achievement should be the goal, not the points.

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    #10  Edited By ImmortalSaiyan

    My favorite 0 point achievements were in Dead or Alive 4. "Whats that? You lost 10 fights in a row? Maybe this will make you feel better. Have a achievement... for 0 gamerscore". Jerks.

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    #11  Edited By PeasantAbuse
    @Vonocourt said:

    @Vegsen said:

    @solidejake said:

    I always hated getting an achievement worth nothing! I am not sure why, it just bugged me. Or those achievements that are worth a random amount, like 7 Gamerscore? Bugged the crap out of me.

    Yep, uneven achievements are the worst. So annoyed to see my gamerscore end with a 9 :/

    I tried my 2/7 for your 4/9.

    I evened out my score after it got messed up, and now I refuse to earn uneven achievements.  
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    #12  Edited By Garfield518

    @Lind_L_Taylor said:

    I've noticed that the new Deus Ex and El Shaddai have put all of their toughest achievements in the "None" category as far as points go

    Deus Ex doesn't have any zero point achievements.

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    #13  Edited By Dany

    @Jay_Ray said:

    To all the people who think zero point achievements are dumb why are they dumb? Is it because they do not add an arbitrary amount of points your your arbitrary total? The achievement should be the goal, not the points.

    achievements have always been for the goal and points, they are the two halves that allow this system to work.

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    #14  Edited By ADarkMatter
    @ImmortalSaiyan said:
    My favorite 0 point achievements were in Dead or Alive 4. "Whats that? You lost 10 fights in a row? Maybe this will make you feel better. Have a achievement... for 0 gamerscore". Jerks.
    hahahah, so true.
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    #15  Edited By JazGalaxy

    achievements are a cool idea that became stupid almost immediately. 
     
    People started caring more about the arbitary score than they did the acutal act of achieving something. 
     
    I can't stand acheiments like "watched opening cutscene" or whatever. what's the point?  
     
    I real achievement should be something that is obvious to establish but difficult to achieve.  
     
    "make it to the top of x tower". "Kill 20 x's" "make it through the game without x"

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    #16  Edited By Vinny_Says

    Uhh....BIA Hell's Highway had a bunch of those, SSF4 had one, they're nothing new.

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    #17  Edited By Branthog

    I'm waiting until the day I can cash in all my points for a bigger dick. Zero point achievements are a mockery of my future enormo-dong and I will not stand for it.

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    #18  Edited By JoeyRavn

    Many games have zero-point Achievements as their own Platinum Trophy counterpart. I guess it's OK. It gives both platforms parity in that matter.

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    #19  Edited By Lind_L_Taylor
    @Garfield518 said:

    @Lind_L_Taylor said:

    I've noticed that the new Deus Ex and El Shaddai have put all of their toughest achievements in the "None" category as far as points go

    Deus Ex doesn't have any zero point achievements.

    Hmmm.  Maybe GB didn't have it updated for the point score yet but
    it's showing all the numbers.  El Shaddai is probably the same. It just
    doesn't have the values on GB, so no 0 point achievements there I
    bet.   Guess I was wrong about the "Nones".
     
    @PeasantAbuse said:
    @Vonocourt said:

    @Vegsen said:

    @solidejake said:

    I always hated getting an achievement worth nothing! I am not sure why, it just bugged me. Or those achievements that are worth a random amount, like 7 Gamerscore? Bugged the crap out of me.

    Yep, uneven achievements are the worst. So annoyed to see my gamerscore end with a 9 :/

    I tried my 2/7 for your 4/9.

    I evened out my score after it got messed up, and now I refuse to earn uneven achievements.  

    I hate that as well. I had to force myself to play Watchmen Part 1 again
    just to get it back to 0/5 by finding those goddamn collectables & playing
    as Nite Owl.  If I play Part 2, it'll be as my local login account, no my XBL.
    As I don't want to see that bizarro score again.
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    #20  Edited By OldGuy
    @Vegsen said:

    @solidejake said:

    I always hated getting an achievement worth nothing! I am not sure why, it just bugged me. Or those achievements that are worth a random amount, like 7 Gamerscore? Bugged the crap out of me.

    Yep, uneven achievements are the worst. So annoyed to see my gamerscore end with a 9 :/

    /pedant mode: ON
    Five is an uneven number.
    /pedant mode: OFF
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    #21  Edited By WightnNerdy

    El Shaddai has a 0 point achievements for getting all of the other achievements, basically meaning that it's the platinum trophy. They must've been like, "so... zero points, I guess?"

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    #22  Edited By Justin258

    It is kind of annoying to see an achievement for nothing (FFFFUUUUUUU!!!!!!) 
     
    However, it's far more infuriating to have a gamerscore not divisible by 5. It just feels so... so... off, it annoyed the hell out of me when I had that problem. No thanks to Marathon Durandal. 
     
    Meanwhile, where does Deus Ex have a 0 score achievement? Other than Halo 3's Vidmaster achievements, I don't remember seeing any other achievement with only 0 score.

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