Oh man, this DVR can play games too? Dude whaaat

So the only option is to let corporation do whatever they want?

Everything I am reading so far seems to indicate games are tied to an account. So does that mean that my wife would not be able to play a game I bought on the same box, because she has her own XBL account?

I don't even know what that means but thank you.

@alex Is it confirmed that the exclusive COD: Ghosts content will be dog armor/outfits?

I'm guessing the big Angry Birds XBox One announcement will come at E3.

Yes, and if they are doing stuff you don't like don't give them money. They don't make money, they go out of business. Simple as that.

Microsoft gave me very little reasons to purchase their platform for next generation. I'll wait till E3 before I finally decide, but I'm thinking of going PC instead of getting a PS4 or a Xbox One to compliment my Wii U.

some of us don't have 60 dollars to blow every time a game that interests us comes out, and unlike Steam Microsoft doesn't have massive weekly discounts

Based purely on what we know from their reveal events, I'm thinking that the PS4 is definitely going to be my console for the next-gen (and I'm used to barely giving a shit about Sony products, even in the PS1 and PS2 eras), assuming I even bother to get one in the first place.

My big worry about the NextBox going into this is not that it wouldn't achieve parity with the PS4 on most tech and features, but that Microsoft would try to lean too hard on stuff like Kinect and Metro and weigh down the console with extra bullshit like preowned fees. I'm an American, and still the whole event felt like it was being oriented towards a demographic that I just don't fit into at all, as opposed to Sony, who were aiming their reveal very clearly at people who care about videogames as entertainment and as an industry. It's surprisingly similar to how I felt about Sony/MS's positions at the very beginning of this past gen, only reversed - one looks like it wants to be a gaming device, the other looks like it's floundering around trying to be some kind of hybrid media-box (obviously the 360 and PS3 have shifted into similar roles at this point, but it's astounding how poor Sony's big media releases/events were back then).

Plus, as someone who bought a ton of XBLA games and even tried to support what little good content there was on XBLIG, not supporting already-owned digital downloads on the new console feels like a big "fuck you" aimed squarely at me, a loyal consumer of their last product. Dropping XBLIG support was expected, of course, especially considering that XNA is basically done with, but to not support backwards compatibility for more important digital content just seems insane to me, and is the closest thing to a dealbreaker that I can think of. If they want to be able to compete with Steam when it comes to digital distribution platforms, this is a huge step in the wrong direction, especially if it leads to the eventual shutdown of the 360's XBLA servers/services.

Ultimately, coming out of this reveal, I'm feeling mostly un-enticed and even a little bit offended. I've owned an Xbox/360 as my primary system for the past two generations of games, and this conference (plus some of Microsoft's actions in the past year or two) have left me with the impression that they just don't want me as a customer anymore.

I really like how you call people that are interested in their rights as a consumer "manchildren," then in the same post you make a 420 reference.

@shnowmon: lemme guess, those people you spoke to that we're complaining about the used video game issue was while working, at a used video game store? I am going to do a "are cigarettes bad for you?" poll outside of a tobacco shop. I'll let you know how it goes.

Yea, this killed all interest I had in it, especially when that interested was just me curious to see what they'd bring to the table and potentially getting a used one when prices are lower. I'm pretty sure I'm not even going to bother with the Xbox One, which is a terrible name for the system.

I'll be getting a Ps4 and Wii U, apart from building a gaming PC I guess. The Xbox is just about dead to me nowadays.

Gross presentation, very meh console. Plus it's super fat.

Apparently specialists in the field have suggested that minority report actually set back motion interface design a significant amount since it was actually very inefficient but emulated by everyone because it "looked cool". I think it was discussed in the Tested podcast at some stage but I can't be sure.

@insanejedi: At what point do you take ownership for being a shitty consumer who let companies take away all your first-sale doctrine and other rights away because you gave one a pass and so everyone else did it? People like you made the exact same bullshit proclamations about online passes and always-online DRM, and guess what! You were wrong and companies kept doing them because no one had any capacity to stop them because people like you kept trying to silence complaints and give them free passes to demand more out of the consumer because apparently their right to make money is more important than my right to own the thing I paid for with my money. So thanks for that.

The thing is with the whole used games thing is surely your entitled to sell that game if you no longer need it? Or buy it second hand if you want. If every industry did this we could have car companies making you register the new car to you so you can't sell it on. No used car market = no new car on little Billy's 17 birthday. Sounds stupid I no but you own something you should be allowed to sell it, or buy used.

Are you just figuring out the targeted demographic for Xbox brand? It's been pretty clear these past few years

• The Call of Duty timed exclusive content.
• the focus on the apps (Maxium, Pizza Hut, UFC)
• Lack of outreach or support to indie developers, compared to Sony and Steam
• Car, body deodorant, shampoo ads on the dashboard

@extreme_popcorn: Also I'm paying half to 75% less for games on steam than I am for games on xbox.

So it's two totally different things and physical games on console are totally different than PC IMO.

I find all of these new consoles to be very underwhelming now that everything is out there. I like the convenience proposed but I'm still not convinced of anything. I love owning consoles up to this point for the collecting and replay value. It's all passing me by I guess. The digital distribution nightmare has finally come. Everything I own is trapped! :)

Was I the only one to assume that a large number of those 15 exclusives might well be Kinect and/or downloadable games?

The majority of that hour-long presentation did not appeal to me at all. When it comes to current gen consoles, my 360 library of games outnumber my PS3 games 3:1 so I should've been totally onboard with what Microsoft is doing. Or so I expected. It's just that I want a console for games and this doesn't seem to be it. Or, to put it differently, I already own a multimedia device that does most of what XBOX ONE is capable of--my PC that's hooked-up to my TV--meaning that all the stuff they emphasized in this presentation holds no significant value to me. So I want them to show me what they're doing for (non-sports) games. I expected them to do more on that front given what Sony showed in their presentation. So E3...

It's simple for me: its going to look better, have no remote, no additional TV box, allow me to broadcast myself in my pyjama's and have better games (surely?). Its all stuff you could have thought would have happened. I hope the PS has got something hidden that is incredibly wow but at this stage the decision is made.

@emuleader said:

Huh, that would actually be a pretty exciting if only because I can see my friends who already trade games with each other doing that. Of course they're invested in Sony's platform but the idea is something that translates well.

It's basically a way to monetize the used game but seeding unique copies in more places rather than being tied to the disc for instance. I guess it will all come down to the pricing to determine if people are willing to accept it or not. People always have their price (speaking for the larger market anyway. There will always be die-hard ideologues who want their gaming very strictly like this or that).

It's not a games console, it's "sports entertainment".

I'm excited for the console, but Xbox One lost the name game.

I'm not crazy about the boxy design or the name, but at least the specs seem decent.

I wonder if we still need to pay for XBox Live subscriptions for online functionality. I hope not because that's some hot bullshit.

I CANNOT deal with this name. You can't call the third iteration of something "ONE."

Come launch, I would bet that activating a 'used' game (and paying the fee), would deactivate the original install. Without this the math would get very sketchy and Microsoft would have to set the 'used fee' at the full $60 just to avoid exploitation.

I can't wait for the next generation of gaming Oculus ,oh wait they really named this console xbox one. lol

@bacongames: to be honest I never thought of that! In a way it is to make Microsoft or whoever made the game money from the resale. If the install fee is cheap enough like a used game, then it would be ok. But if the store you buy the game from is selling the pre owned game for say £25 and then a install fee was £10 I think that wouldn't work so much. As your be almost paying full price. But we will never no until e3 what's happening.

@iragequit: Why? Is it possible it might be awesome ?

Well now, I would think the PS4 is going to have to include their PSeye camera with their console too, since the Xbox One will be including Kinect with theirs. Gotta keep that parity to remain a competitive product...

@insanejedi: At what point do you take ownership for being a shitty consumer who let companies take away all your first-sale doctrine and other rights away because you gave one a pass and so everyone else did it? People like you made the exact same bullshit proclamations about online passes and always-online DRM, and guess what! You were wrong and companies kept doing them because no one had any capacity to stop them because people like you kept trying to silence complaints and give them free passes to demand more out of the consumer because apparently their right to make money is more important than my right to own the thing I paid for with my money. So thanks for that.

@darji:

Just like the 360!

You don't think that fee is to transfer the license for the game to another account, rather than allowing you to create another spawn (if anybody remembers Blizzard's old spawn system used for Diablo, StarCraft and Diablo II)? I'd imagine it disables the game on the original owner's account and activates it on the new one. allowing one disc to be used to install an infinite amount of digital copies, even if there's a fee attached, seems weird for a company like Microsoft.

For the record every time someone says "Xbox One" I feel an immediate urge to punch babies...

I simply cannot understand the level of underwhelmed feeling here. It seems like many would rather not have a new console/PC at all. What were people expecting ?

You guys may need to consider legal action against Microsoft. Because from what I saw they just revealed their own Giant Bomb.

@dirtimover: games

If Divekick is released for it, can we call it the Lang XONE?

So, how useful is the cable/TV stuff going to be for anyone who's not based in the US? As great as the Netflix implementation on the 360 now? When one of your main selling points potentially excludes roughly 95% of the worlds population, it's not exactly confidence building.

Also, what's the bet that Xbox Live stays subscription based and the ad-filled home screen is representative of what you see despite paying $60 a year?

As someone who plays video games, literally nothing from this excited me. Name's dumb, TV thing is dumb, sports thing is dumb. I'll be interested to see what video games I can play on this STB.

fun fact: the Dutch word for seal is zeehond (sea-dog).

HTC One, HTC's 51st Android based phone... seems you can totally do that.

And Microsoft is going down ...

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT&ql=0

@natedagr811 said:

@jackel2072 said:

...we call it

THE XONE

im giving this stuff away for free microsoft

The whole Xbox/Pizza Hut thing has come full circle.

I literally just made this same joke... we are the same you and I.

Still the only thing worth mentioning to come out of this is mocap dawgz

I think people are expecting all the information they need to decide which of the two platforms they are going to buy months from now at both the events that happened. While in reality they try to make you decide over the course of those several months leading up to launch.

I'm excited for both systems. I do have a preference for Xbox One right now, because 360 is my main platform this generation and I like the Sony exclusives usually a little less than the Xbox ones; I had no idea how they could've improved on the 360 controller but man, just by looking at the Xbox One controller I could almost tell it was even better; up to date achievements sound both terrifying and amazing and Kinect (I don't like any game with it, but for interface it's kind off cool...?).

The only thing I like better about the PS4 so far is that you can view a friends' stream and help them out in single player and even take over control. That sounds really cool and fun, though... I don't have allot of friends... so I'll probably very rarely get to use it anyway.

As a low income gamer the used game makes me not want the system because of it. I don't buy every game used, I ether get it at $60 or wait for it on sale. but for games that are bad that I want to play example Star trek game. I like to play bad games from time to time and that is when I buy it used or rent it. A other thing I dont like the idea of this is, say it has been 2 years since the Xbox one came out, I finally have one and a game I want to play is launch game. What if it hasnt been in stores for a while? go online right well since the used game tax(see what i did there) old games are price high and rare to find new. Example Lost Odyssey came out 2008, not cant download from market place and it is on 4 disk so have a risk of 1 of the disk not working your screwed and may not be able to return due to how long it took you to get to that disk. The game new is $75. ok I talked to much my money lending to PS4.