I think this is a timeless argument, and one that obviously has no end. However, I figure - WHY THE HELL NOT?
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EA is one of the largest publisher/developers in the video game industry.
Why do people hate EA so much?
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EA consumes other companies. Sure, the dictator on the corner gives you free bread once in a while, but he's still a dictator.
They destroyed companies, rehash games to death, produce shitty sports games, leave people out of credits, manipulate the press heavily, have monopolist policies, are generally an evil corporation (like all the rest) and they can burn in hell. Plus, they have no quality control, which is funny because they axe Tiberium but put out something like Mercs 2.
Their customer service is dismal to this day. Buying the NFL license and pumping out Madden games for a long time.
When you start bringing up stuff like Black, Crysis, Black & White, and licensed games of course there are a lot of people that think (rightfully so) that those games aren't so great either.
However, they have been doing better recently. The free Burnout Paradise & Battlefield Bad Company content, upcoming titles that look great like Dead Space & Mirror's Edge...
Forgot to put Battlefield Bad Company on that list up there as well. Also forgot SSX, SSX Tricky, and SSX3.
"jakob187 said:dcpc10 said:"Forgot to put Battlefield Bad Company on that list up there as well.That game is complete ass and is a disservice to the Battlefield franchise."
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"Jayge said:Ugh, have you guys played the game? I played BF1942, Vietnam & 2, and BFBC is a damn fine game as well. It's fairly different in some ways, but a great game."jakob187 said:Now THIS is true, anyone that played the previous battlefield games on the PC would know this.""Forgot to put Battlefield Bad Company on that list up there as well.disservice to the Battlefield franchise."
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"Ugh, have you guys played the game? I played BF1942, Vietnam & 2, and BFBC is a damn fine game as well. It's fairly different in some ways, but a great game."Ugh, I totally have? You're probably a kid who thinks Unreal Tournament 3 was a worthy addition to the series, too.
"Jigen said:Why would you assume such a thing? UT3 = crap, BFBC = great game. UT99 is still the best in that series. I haven't heard too many people consider BFBC to be a bad game. Care you explain what you didn't like about it?"Ugh, have you guys played the game? I played BF1942, Vietnam & 2, and BFBC is a damn fine game as well. It's fairly different in some ways, but a great game."Ugh, I totally have? You're probably a kid who thinks Unreal Tournament 3 was a worthy addition to the series, too."
"I hate any company that thinks it's justified in taking staff credits out of their games."I will say that practices like that aren't cool, and there was a block of time that they did not exactly treat their employees well...and now that John's at EA, you see a lot of great changes.
"Why would you assume such a thing? UT3 = crap, BFBC = great game. UT99 is still the best in that series. I haven't heard too many people consider BFBC to be a bad game. Care you explain what you didn't like about it?"You can't go prone, the squad mechanics are dumbed down to the extreme, the destruction gameplay is bland and overrated, the classes themselves are totally unbalanced, the gametype is totally uninspired, the maps require no strategy and the entire command structure set up in BF2 was ruined. Overall, it was a step backwards in terms of advancing the large-scale tactical gameplay of Battlefield 2 and what amounts to a console dumb-down for the series that needed absolutely nothing of the sort.
jakob187 said:
"brukaoru said:John Richitealkjoillo or whatever his name is? That guy is a straight up douchebag with no idea what he's talking about. Every time I see him quoted I cringe."I hate any company that thinks it's justified in taking staff credits out of their games."I will say that practices like that aren't cool, and there was a block of time that they did not exactly treat their employees well...and now that John's at EA, you see a lot of great changes.Nonetheless, doesn't mean they don't make tons of good games.
"Jigen said:From actually having played the game, if they let people go prone, that would suck. It's hard enough finding snipers without them being nearly invisible. The squad mechanics in BF2 were dumb, IMO, the worst thing BFBC does is not allow you to warn your entire team. The destruction gameplay is great & adds a lot to the infantry gameplay. What specific problems did you have with the classes, because I think they're pretty great, even if the way they play out is odd sometimes. The game has conquest now, but I think goldrush is fine too, what's 'uninspired' about it? The maps require plenty of strategy, wtf are you talking about? There's a lot more depth to these maps than any of BF2's..."Why would you assume such a thing? UT3 = crap, BFBC = great game. UT99 is still the best in that series. I haven't heard too many people consider BFBC to be a bad game. Care you explain what you didn't like about it?"You can't go prone, the squad mechanics are dumbed down to the extreme, the destruction gameplay is bland and overrated, the classes themselves are totally unbalanced, the gametype is totally uninspired, the maps require no strategy and the entire command structure set up in BF2 was ruined. Overall, it was a step backwards in terms of advancing the large-scale tactical gameplay of Battlefield 2 and what amounts to a console dumb-down for the series that needed absolutely nothing of the sort.
jakob187 said:"brukaoru said:John Richitealkjoillo or whatever his name is? That guy is a straight up douchebag with no idea what he's talking about. Every time I see him quoted I cringe.""I hate any company that thinks it's justified in taking staff credits out of their games."I will say that practices like that aren't cool, and there was a block of time that they did not exactly treat their employees well...and now that John's at EA, you see a lot of great changes.Nonetheless, doesn't mean they don't make tons of good games.
I dunno I feel strongly that you haven't played the game after your comments, you're not really making points as much as saying things that aren't true.
"From actually having played the game, if they let people go prone, that would suck. It's hard enough finding snipers without them being nearly invisible. The squad mechanics in BF2 were dumb, IMO, the worst thing BFBC does is not allow you to warn your entire team. The destruction gameplay is great & adds a lot to the infantry gameplay. What specific problems did you have with the classes, because I think they're pretty great, even if the way they play out is odd sometimes. The game has conquest now, but I think goldrush is fine too, what's 'uninspired' about it? The maps require plenty of strategy, wtf are you talking about? There's a lot more depth to these maps than any of BF2's...Yes, my opinion differs from yours, so I obviously haven't played the game. It comes down to this: from everything you've said, you don't even seem to understand the depth that was built into BF:2 or even BF:2142. You support its dumbing down because of that, and apparently didn't grasp or just don't have the capacity to fathom any of my other points anyway, so my argument is moot because of that. I'm dropping this now. Back to the "EA as a company" talk.
I dunno I feel strongly that you haven't played the game after your comments, you're not really making points as much as saying things that aren't true."
"Jigen said:"Why would you assume such a thing? UT3 = crap, BFBC = great game. UT99 is still the best in that series. I haven't heard too many people consider BFBC to be a bad game. Care you explain what you didn't like about it?"You can't go prone, the squad mechanics are dumbed down to the extreme, the destruction gameplay is bland and overrated, the classes themselves are totally unbalanced, the gametype is totally uninspired, the maps require no strategy and the entire command structure set up in BF2 was ruined. Overall, it was a step backwards in terms of advancing the large-scale tactical gameplay of Battlefield 2 and what amounts to a console dumb-down for the series that needed absolutely nothing of the sort.
jakob187 said:"brukaoru said:John Richitealkjoillo or whatever his name is? That guy is a straight up douchebag with no idea what he's talking about. Every time I see him quoted I cringe.""I hate any company that thinks it's justified in taking staff credits out of their games."I will say that practices like that aren't cool, and there was a block of time that they did not exactly treat their employees well...and now that John's at EA, you see a lot of great changes.Nonetheless, doesn't mean they don't make tons of good games.
"I don't even have a gaming PC at the moment. Yet again, my opinions are dismissed on the stupid grounds because nobody can accept that I have a differing opinion.Sorry, I just can't see your opinion as being anything valid without saying "PC ELITEST". I love my PC games, more than any other games in most cases. That doesn't mean I can't recognize this great game as being a great game.
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And as to him not being a douchebag, maybe you should listen to what he says more.
" Thank you jakob187.It's not on my gamertag. I don't tend to allow blatant shit on it.
Jayge, why not un-hide what games you've played on your gamertag so I can see if you're actually played the full game or not. Because you're so utterly off base on every single thing you said it makes me believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
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"Jigen said:LOL so you haven't played it then. Discussion over." Thank you jakob187.It's not on my gamertag. I don't tend to allow blatant shit on it."
Jayge, why not un-hide what games you've played on your gamertag so I can see if you're actually played the full game or not. Because you're so utterly off base on every single thing you said it makes me believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
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"Jayge said:I have played it. Discussion is still on. Nice try though. You can't shut me down."Jigen said:LOL so you haven't played it then. Discussion over."" Thank you jakob187.It's not on my gamertag. I don't tend to allow blatant shit on it."
Jayge, why not un-hide what games you've played on your gamertag so I can see if you're actually played the full game or not. Because you're so utterly off base on every single thing you said it makes me believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
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You don't have a gaming PC and Bad Company shows up nowhere on your gamertag, Jayge? Then how can anyone honestly consider your opinion to be anything more than that of someone that just rants to rant? Seriously, pick your battles, sir.
"Jigen said:Honestly, if you played it at a friends or only played the demo, odds are you couldn't get into the game. The game has had a lot of improvements since the demo, but I thought the biggest flaw was the lag (which has been mended a lot)."Jayge said:I have played it. Discussion is still on. Nice try though. You can't shut me down.""Jigen said:LOL so you haven't played it then. Discussion over."" Thank you jakob187.It's not on my gamertag. I don't tend to allow blatant shit on it."
Jayge, why not un-hide what games you've played on your gamertag so I can see if you're actually played the full game or not. Because you're so utterly off base on every single thing you said it makes me believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
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"You don't have a gaming PC and Bad Company shows up nowhere on your gamertag, Jayge? Then how can anyone honestly consider your opinion to be anything more than that of someone that just rants to rant? Seriously, pick your battles, sir.Not currently, no. It hasn't played much released in the past 10 months or so. Still runs anything from before that fine though. You and Jigen both just continue to fail hard.Back to the EA isn't horrific like everyone thinks...I'm still waiting for some far more valid points of questioning EA's game quality.It's funny, because Bad Company wasn't even on my initial list, and yet no one has knocked on any of the games FROM the original list. You know why that makes me laugh?Because that list makes up the majority of EA's portfolio not including EA Sports. o_oOh, and add Def Jam Vendetta to that list too."
"Megalon said:Actually I have it on PS3...how would I know to agree with all that stuff if I had only played the demo? I just didn't dig the game as much as the old ones, which is just my opinion of course. If you liked the game then I guess that's great, but I happen to agree with Jayge."Jayge FTW, couldn't agree more."According to your gamertag, you don't even own the game... This is the sort of crap I'm talking about, probably only played the demo?"
BFBC was an alright game on it's own.
But as a Battlefield game, one should expect more quality, I think.
"Jigen said:Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB."Megalon said:Actually I have it on PS3...how would I know to agree with all that stuff if I had only played the demo? I just didn't dig the game as much as the old ones, which is just my opinion of course. If you liked the game then I guess that's great, but I happen to agree with Jayge. ""Jayge FTW, couldn't agree more."According to your gamertag, you don't even own the game... This is the sort of crap I'm talking about, probably only played the demo?"
"Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB."Except they weren't nonsense. You just can't handle the fact that my feelings are different from yours. There's a difference. Keep on failing.
"Megalon said:Yeah I'm primarily on the 360, for the most part I don't like FPS on PS3 because of the damn controller. Got this one for my birthday though, and spent a decent amount of time with it. I'm not saying the game is complete shit or anything, it was entertaining for awhile for sure. But I dug the other games more, that's all."Jigen said:Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB.""Megalon said:Actually I have it on PS3...how would I know to agree with all that stuff if I had only played the demo? I just didn't dig the game as much as the old ones, which is just my opinion of course. If you liked the game then I guess that's great, but I happen to agree with Jayge. ""Jayge FTW, couldn't agree more."According to your gamertag, you don't even own the game... This is the sort of crap I'm talking about, probably only played the demo?"
Oh well, the battle for Bad Company is over. Apparently, everything has to be EXACTLY the same in a franchise in order to be....
"Jigen said:Well considering you've never even played the game, and they were completely outside of reality? Yes, your comments were utter crap. You might as well start saying you can play Mario Galaxy on your SNES and Crysis has worse graphics than Adventure on Atari 2600."Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB."Except they weren't nonsense. You just can't handle the fact that my feelings are different from yours. There's a difference. Keep on failing."
"Oh well, the battle for Bad Company is over. Apparently, everything has to be EXACTLY the same in a franchise in order to be....And now you're putting words in my mouth. Never said I didn't want the series to change. Said I was pissed that the game was dumbed down. There is no way for you to wriggle out of your putrid stupidity. Give it up. I've given valid reasons, as have many others....wait, wait a tick!!! That would basically mean that Jayge and everyone else is saying that THEY WANTED BFBC TO BE THE SAME AS BF2?!?!Kind of how everyone complains about EA rehashing games?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!....now you see where the problem lies.Seriously, though...let's bring it to the end of discussion on the Bad Company front. Move on to the topic at hand:Why does everyone hate EA so much? I still can't say I've seen any valid reasons for it."
"Jigen said:You have a different opinion."Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB."Except they weren't nonsense. You just can't handle the fact that my feelings are different from yours. There's a difference. Keep on failing."
That makes you an idiot. Can't you figure that out?
"Jayge said:I wish I could. I'm too stupid to, I guess."Jigen said:You have a different opinion."Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB."Except they weren't nonsense. You just can't handle the fact that my feelings are different from yours. There's a difference. Keep on failing."
That makes you an idiot. Can't you figure that out?"
"Jayge said:He NEVER PLAYED THE GAME. He says he played it, but he also says 'shit like that never appears on my gamertag', yet how could he know it was shit if he didn't play it?"Jigen said:You have a different opinion."Except Jayge's comments were all complete nonsense. I assumed you didn't own a PS3 though because you only listed your 360 gamertag and you're Microsoft allied here on GB."Except they weren't nonsense. You just can't handle the fact that my feelings are different from yours. There's a difference. Keep on failing."
That makes you an idiot. Can't you figure that out?"
"they hate because no one likes the rich kid with all the toys."Basically, that's why. I think EA is a great publisher, and a very large portion of my collection is made up of games published by EA. There's a lot of quality developers under them, like Criterion and DICE. I don't understand what people's beef is with EA, but they put out good stuff.
Also, the only reason they rehash the hell out of sports games is because they sell. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it. I don't find anything wrong with this either. If consumers want it, then why not produce it?
There was a definite period of time when they produced a lot of shit and their constant EA Sports releases did not help matters. Now though, they seem to be on form so I can't see where the hate is coming from.
"He NEVER PLAYED THE GAME. He says he played it, but he also says 'shit like that never appears on my gamertag', yet how could he know it was shit if he didn't play it?"I played it, buddy. Get over it. I think a game you like is shit. Go cry somewhere else. The adults are trying to talk.
" Said I was pissed that the game was dumbed down."I didn't put those words in your mouth. You said them yourself. Again, discussion is over, because now it's turning into a ridiculous flame war. Back on the topic of "why does everyone hate EA so much?". I don't think the restructuring of a game in order to work on a console is necessarily the right way to argue why you hate an entire company. = /
"ColMustard said:^ Yes."they hate because no one likes the rich kid with all the toys."Basically, that's why. I think EA is a great publisher, and a very large portion of my collection is made up of games published by EA. There's a lot of quality developers under them, like Criterion and DICE. I don't understand what people's beef is with EA, but they put out good stuff.
Also, the only reason they rehash the hell out of sports games is because they sell. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it. I don't find anything wrong with this either. If consumers want it, then why not produce it?"
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