" if this game was being built as a PC exclusive...how different would it have been? "

It was rare to have a good commander in BF2 for me. 
Most of them just dropped things on me from above :( 
 
With that said, I'll probably still miss that feature. When done right, it was awesome.

"Well it is the lead platform. And commander isn't that big of a deal. It was cool doing airstrikes but you can do them with the sniper. "

I never really payed any attention to the commander, to be honest, so it remains to be seen if I will notice something is missing in BF3 or if there just isn't any difference. 
Still want to hear more about this game, though, if only to hear people go mad over every little feature they remove from BF2.

" @Metal_Mills said:

"Well it is the lead platform. And commander isn't that big of a deal. It was cool doing airstrikes but you can do them with the sniper. "

...they said the same thing for BC2 and the only difference that time was the 32 player count for PC.  :| "

We need to send an offensively worded email to DICE.

"@KaosAngel said:

" if this game was being built as a PC exclusive...how different would it have been? "

Well it is the lead platform. And commander isn't that big of a deal. It was cool doing airstrikes but you can do them with the sniper. People never did with they said and no one cared too much. "

" @Metal_Mills said:

"@KaosAngel said:

" if this game was being built as a PC exclusive...how different would it have been? "

Well it is the lead platform. And commander isn't that big of a deal. It was cool doing airstrikes but you can do them with the sniper. People never did with they said and no one cared too much. "

im sorry but people like this piss me the fuck off the commander wasnt just an artillery man god damn it "

" @Ahmad_Metallic: I've given up trying to explain how BF2 worked.  People that never played it, or played very little, just won't get it. "

It rarely worked well, people being assholes on the internet and what not. keep in mind, it's 3 and a half years since I've played BF2.

Is a 64 player Bad Company 2 with a enhanced destruction engine and jets really such a bad thing?

My career as a commander in BF could end in two ways;
1) I got no fucking response from the squads what so ever and all I could do was sit on my ass and throw air strikes here and there and do minor predictions of where I could throw supply- or vehicle drops. And that was only a brief time because no one defended or repaired my artillery pieces. We naturally lost or it was a close call.
 
2)  While the list is the dream scenario, more or less all points got fulfilled by most of the players when they knew I worked to help them and not for my own points.

• Each squad leader literally answered me when I wrote "squad leaders, report in" in the chat.
• I gave individual orders to the bigger squads to different flags and the ones dedicated to planes and sniping, I left alone. Not like they need orders anyhow. (With exceptions of when I actually needed help from the planes and they knew it was important to go where I ordered them to)
• The squad leaders requested support through the tactical map and depending on what I could see on the scanner, I gave them what they needed.
  
• Sometimes a squad  even  asked for the car so they could rush to the next flag. Amazing.
• Squads that wasn't sure what to do asked for orders and I gave them attack or defend points depending on the situation.
  
• I didn't have to throw mortars without being sure people knew it was coming since they had asked for them themselves.

" @KaosAngel said:

" if this game was being built as a PC exclusive...how different would it have been? "

Well it is the lead platform. And commander isn't that big of a deal. It was cool doing airstrikes but you can do them with the sniper. People never did with they said and no one cared too much. "

I guess I'd be mad if I played even one game where it felt like Commander was being used right.

From playing BF 2142 I saw few people playing as the commander. When I was the commander I thought it was boring even with all the shit you could do like call in EMP and artillery strikes. Most of the time it was just dropping supply crates and issuing orders that no one followed or that were plainly obvious to do anyway. The only really useful thing he could do was call in a UAV. The squads were much more important to the player anyway so as long as a good squad system is in place then the teamwork aspect will be fine.     

Here's the best (worst) part of the interview:

We tried in Bad Company 2 to give [commander functions] to players, so you could issue orders to your squad, and you could use gadgets like the UAV that only the commander could use earlier — giving the power back to the players so everyone could use it.

If you ask us, this is a textbook example of “dumbing things down”, what DICE calls “make the threshold lower” and we can’t help but feel disappointed that the Commander feature isn’t returning to Battlefield 3. It added a whole new level to the gameplay, which will now be missing in BF3.

" Squad orders in BC2 are literally "put cross-hair over objective label, hit Q".  That's it.  Use the one communication key.  The same key that you use to request ammo or a ride (that no one listens to) and spot enemies (that quite often doesn't work even with a clear view of the target).  You can only set the orders to attack or defend the objective.  You can't order your squad to move, attack, or defend any position on the map; only a specific flag or MCOM. "

Damn, i loved being commander in 2142. I was a damn good one at that. But hell, not many squads listened. 

There was nothing wrong with Commander mode in principle, they just need to incentivise following your Squad and CO orders properly.  XP distribution should be skewed heavily towards achieving set objectives and winning the round as a team, rather than just personal glory.  Not that I want to sound like a hippie here, but I reckon it'd be a pretty cool statement of intent if they gave no XP for kills, making the killing just a means to an end.  Not everything has to be about the K/D ratio.
 
Whether there's a commander or not, there's plenty of room for improving team-wide coordination.

" Is a 64 player Bad Company 2 with a enhanced destruction engine and jets really such a bad thing? "

No commanders sounds like there will be more unorganized free-for-all attacks than anything.

" No commanders sounds like there will be more unorganized free-for-all attacks than anything. "

I'm so fucking sick of all the BF2 players bitching about this game. I played BF2, and yes it was great, but have you ever heard of a little thing called "progress"? Most of you decrying BF3 sound like you just want a better graphics version of BF2, which is not what DICE is going for. They want to make a NEW game, not rehash BF2. Until we can see how the game actually plays, STOP COMPLAINING.

" So, pretty much this is going to be Bad Company 2 with 64 players, and 4 man Squads...with the same four kits. "

Well, turns out it's not going to be much different than the console version. Only more players and dedicated servers. Wait, did they say they'll have dedicated servers? Because I'll be pissed if they take that out.

" Most of you decrying BF3 sound like you just want a better graphics version of BF2, which is not what DICE is going for. They want to make a NEW game, not rehash BF2. "

  @President_Barackbar said:

" I'm so fucking sick of all the BF2 players bitching about this game. I played BF2, and yes it was great, but have you ever heard of a little thing called "progress"? Most of you decrying BF3 sound like you just want a better graphics version of BF2, which is not what DICE is going for. They want to make a NEW game, not rehash BF2. Until we can see how the game actually plays, STOP COMPLAINING. "

Wow... good going DICE.

" @Meteora said:

" No commanders sounds like there will be more unorganized free-for-all attacks than anything. "

....if it helps, they're making UAVs and shit as a Kill-Streak rewards. "

" @KaosAngel said:

" @Meteora said:

" No commanders sounds like there will be more unorganized free-for-all attacks than anything. "

....if it helps, they're making UAVs and shit as a Kill-Streak rewards. "

Sounds like it'll hurt the franchise more than anything. =/ "

" @Meteora said:

" No commanders sounds like there will be more unorganized free-for-all attacks than anything. "

....if it helps, they're making UAVs and shit as a Kill-Streak rewards. "

" @KaosAngel said:

" @Meteora said:

" No commanders sounds like there will be more unorganized free-for-all attacks than anything. "

....if it helps, they're making UAVs and shit as a Kill-Streak rewards. "

Where did you read this? "

" Is a 64 player Bad Company 2 with a enhanced destruction engine and jets really such a bad thing? "

Please, continue to bitch about things no one cared about until they removed them.

" Please, continue to bitch about things no one cared about until they removed them. "

" Please, continue to bitch about things no one cared about until they removed them. "

" Please, continue to bitch about things no one cared about until they removed them. "

Yes, as is clear in this topic everyone cares about it being removed.

" Yes, as is clear in this topic everyone cares about it being removed. "

" Is a 64 player Bad Company 2 with a enhanced destruction engine and jets really such a bad thing? "

i played a whole bunch of BF2 and 2142 back in the day. i never remember ever being commander, probably because i didnt care. i also don't remember specifically what they did or having a huge impact on the game. 
 
i remember reading the interview answer that talked about this, and how very few people got to be the commander. that's certainly true since there was only 2 per game. saying how they wanted to spread out the commander abilities to allow more people access to it. which kinda makes sense when you think about it.
 
the thing is, that its a cool concept but with the amount of BF2 and 2142 i played (alot) you'd think i'd have a better opinion on it, all i remember from the commanders in those games was  them doing artillery strikes (cus i blew those up) and them going on crazy power trips screaming at everyone. i mean its a game, its supposedt o be fun, i dont want to be screamed at by a kid on a power trip.
 
sounds like they are going to have all the commander stuff in the game, just without the designated commander role. sounds good to me.
 
though some of you might have played with clans in BF2/2142 so the commander role might seem more appealing to you guys. my experience was generally stuff randomly blowing up from artilliry strikes and some guy i dont know yelling at me for attacking B instead of C AFTER we took it.

" i played a whole bunch of BF2 and 2142 back in the day. i never remember ever being commander, probably because i didnt care. i also don't remember specifically what they did or having a huge impact on the game.   i remember reading the interview answer that talked about this, and how very few people got to be the commander. that's certainly true since there was only 2 per game. saying how they wanted to spread out the commander abilities to allow more people access to it. which kinda makes sense when you think about it.  the thing is, that its a cool concept but with the amount of BF2 and 2142 i played (alot) you'd think i'd have a better opinion on it, all i remember from the commanders in those games was  them doing artillery strikes (cus i blew those up) and them going on crazy power trips screaming at everyone. i mean its a game, its supposedt o be fun, i dont want to be screamed at by a kid on a power trip.  sounds like they are going to have all the commander stuff in the game, just without the designated commander role. sounds good to me.  though some of you might have played with clans in BF2/2142 so the commander role might seem more appealing to you guys. my experience was generally stuff randomly blowing up from artilliry strikes and some guy i dont know yelling at me for attacking B instead of C AFTER we took it. "

It sucks, but I have come to accept stuff like this as just being a part of gaming now- even though it pisses me off to no end. I honestly can't remember the last time I heard a developer actually follow through when they say they are not dumbing a game down for the consoles.

" @B0nd07 said:

" Squad orders in BC2 are literally "put cross-hair over objective label, hit Q".  That's it.  Use the one communication key.  The same key that you use to request ammo or a ride (that no one listens to) and spot enemies (that quite often doesn't work even with a clear view of the target).  You can only set the orders to attack or defend the objective.  You can't order your squad to move, attack, or defend any position on the map; only a specific flag or MCOM. "

It's funny cause it's not even a dumbed down command button...hitting "Q" is even more retarded than the team work in a Halo game.  I was so surprised when I first loaded up BC2 and there wasn't a command wheel like BF2 and other games had.   "

" My career as a commander in BF could end in two ways;
1) I got no fucking response from the squads what so ever and all I could do was sit on my ass and throw air strikes here and there and do minor predictions of where I could throw supply- or vehicle drops. And that was only a brief time because no one defended or repaired my artillery pieces. We naturally lost or it was a close call.
 
2)  While the list is the dream scenario, more or less all points got fulfilled by most of the players when they knew I worked to help them and not for my own points.

• Each squad leader literally answered me when I wrote "squad leaders, report in" in the chat.
• I gave individual orders to the bigger squads to different flags and the ones dedicated to planes and sniping, I left alone. Not like they need orders anyhow. (With exceptions of when I actually needed help from the planes and they knew it was important to go where I ordered them to)
• The squad leaders requested support through the tactical map and depending on what I could see on the scanner, I gave them what they needed.
  
• Sometimes a squad  even  asked for the car so they could rush to the next flag. Amazing.
• Squads that wasn't sure what to do asked for orders and I gave them attack or defend points depending on the situation.
  
• I didn't have to throw mortars without being sure people knew it was coming since they had asked for them themselves.

 Let's just say those matches we steamrolled the other teams.  While it was more likely that 1) would happen, I would give anything to be the commander again because when things click and 2) was set in motion... That was a a battlefield. I stick to my firm belief that the hierarchy system would work even better if team work perks would become activated when achieving team goals.  Lastly. Sniper shouldn't get to throw mortar strikes. At best they should get to paint target points for jets to shoot laser designated missiles or more accurate air strike requests to a Commander. Motivate some God damned cooperation to put it in motion. "