OK, so my Demon's Souls copy that I ordered came... and it turns out then sent me the Chinese version, so I had to sent it back. So bloging about that game is delayed significantly ATM. In other news.
 
I installed the FF XIV beta, and my God, does it have some fundamental problems. I have it on my computer 3 days now, and still didn't even witness the main menu. What did I get to see? The patcher. For hours and hours...
 I really don't know who programmed this, but you ser are an IDIOT. It's a Peer-to-peer downloader, and that's not necessarily bad by itself if p2p connections are used to suplement proper patch servers and the whole thing is programmed properly. The thing is that this patcher isn't anything like that.
 
First and foremost, download speeds suck. As I'm writing this, the speed is 30 Kb/s, and that's really good for this thing. Estimated download time of one patch file (and there are more to come) - 25 hours. You know it's bad when your download service can't provide you with the download. The beta requirements stated that participants "need to be able to download large amounts of data." Well apparently you are not capable of giving the large amounts of data, so shut up.
 
Second, this thing sucks out all your upload after you get a few parts of the file downloaded. Anyone who knows how p2p works knows that you need to cap your upload to about 80-90%, so that the rest can be used for other p2p related traffic and so that you'll still be able to browse the Internet. This thing doesn't have any sort of capping ability, and uses all the upload, slowing itself down in the process because it can't work right. Also, good luck using the Internet, and waiting till you can send a "I want to view this page" request every time.
 
Third, it uses 100% of one of your processor cores CONSTANTLY. WHY? What sort of rocket science and cancer research are you computing that it would require such processing power? Is it because the patcher constantly plays music that was cool at first, but I'll puke if I hear it somewhere in the game after listening to it for 20 hours? Thank God that you at least had the brains to not play it if the patcher isn't the focused window. Then I REALLY wouldn't be able to use the computer. Not that I can play a game though, since you're using my efing processor like it's some sort of slave mule.
 
Finally, the straw that broke the camels back and made me write this. Every time a new patch comes out, and you where in the middle of patching, you have to download the patch from scratch again! I ask again, WHY? You can't provide anything near adequate download speed and after I spent 2 days and 1 night trying to download this patch and got up to 65% I wake up only to find that a new patch came out, and the file I was downloading, is invalidated and I have to start from scratch.
 
I can't leave this computer on for a whole day and night just downloading your patches. I have work to do that requires processing power that you're taking away. I want to browse the Internet sometimes. I want to entertain myself and play a game at least once a day. You made it so that the patcher can't coexist with any of this. I just pray that there won't be any new patches till at least Monday so that I can have ample time to download file H2010.07.15.2000.

OK, so my Demon's Souls copy that I ordered came... and it turns out then sent me the Chinese version, so I had to sent it back. So bloging about that game is delayed significantly ATM. In other news.
 
I installed the FF XIV beta, and my God, does it have some fundamental problems. I have it on my computer 3 days now, and still didn't even witness the main menu. What did I get to see? The patcher. For hours and hours...
 I really don't know who programmed this, but you ser are an IDIOT. It's a Peer-to-peer downloader, and that's not necessarily bad by itself if p2p connections are used to suplement proper patch servers and the whole thing is programmed properly. The thing is that this patcher isn't anything like that.
 
First and foremost, download speeds suck. As I'm writing this, the speed is 30 Kb/s, and that's really good for this thing. Estimated download time of one patch file (and there are more to come) - 25 hours. You know it's bad when your download service can't provide you with the download. The beta requirements stated that participants "need to be able to download large amounts of data." Well apparently you are not capable of giving the large amounts of data, so shut up.
 
Second, this thing sucks out all your upload after you get a few parts of the file downloaded. Anyone who knows how p2p works knows that you need to cap your upload to about 80-90%, so that the rest can be used for other p2p related traffic and so that you'll still be able to browse the Internet. This thing doesn't have any sort of capping ability, and uses all the upload, slowing itself down in the process because it can't work right. Also, good luck using the Internet, and waiting till you can send a "I want to view this page" request every time.
 
Third, it uses 100% of one of your processor cores CONSTANTLY. WHY? What sort of rocket science and cancer research are you computing that it would require such processing power? Is it because the patcher constantly plays music that was cool at first, but I'll puke if I hear it somewhere in the game after listening to it for 20 hours? Thank God that you at least had the brains to not play it if the patcher isn't the focused window. Then I REALLY wouldn't be able to use the computer. Not that I can play a game though, since you're using my efing processor like it's some sort of slave mule.
 
Finally, the straw that broke the camels back and made me write this. Every time a new patch comes out, and you where in the middle of patching, you have to download the patch from scratch again! I ask again, WHY? You can't provide anything near adequate download speed and after I spent 2 days and 1 night trying to download this patch and got up to 65% I wake up only to find that a new patch came out, and the file I was downloading, is invalidated and I have to start from scratch.
 
I can't leave this computer on for a whole day and night just downloading your patches. I have work to do that requires processing power that you're taking away. I want to browse the Internet sometimes. I want to entertain myself and play a game at least once a day. You made it so that the patcher can't coexist with any of this. I just pray that there won't be any new patches till at least Monday so that I can have ample time to download file H2010.07.15.2000.

I'm in the exact same boat, thinking about not bothering and just stopping it completely.

well its good there doing a beta huh

If it bugs you so much, go torrent the client and patch.  (they are available last i checked)

" @Ivos:  I was expecting the actual game to have some issues. It's a beta, not a demo. But I can't even get to the actually game part. I can't even properly test this. Right now, I'm not participating in the FF14 Beta, I'm participating in the FF14 Patcher Beta. I didn't sign up for that. This is actively hindering the beta process.  Here's hoping that there won't be any big patch downloads for the people that buy the retail copy, or that they scrap this patcher and come up with a new one. As it stands, this is simply a very, very bad torrent client. "

Torrent dl time was 2 hours... I think i'll just try that.  Oh and it's a beta...

Why not be glad you got into the beta? 

Be glad thats not your normal download speed..some of us have to put up with that crap all the time.

I'd be so damn happy if I were in the beta right now, if only to see how well my minimum requirement-meeting GeForce 7600 GT can power the game's graphical engine. Oh, and to play the game too.  That'd be pretty cool. 

I'm downloading the game right now. It's not that big of a nuisance. I'm getting 100-200 kb/s and my DL speed isn't that much slower.
 
But I agree, they definitely could have thought of a better solution than this.

i haven't even gotten into a single beta since i've signed up to beta test WoW. at least be glad you got an invite.

For a minute, I thought something was wrong with the game itself.  It wouldn't make any sense for the playstation version to have these issues so as far as I'm concerned, I still can't wait for the first REAL console MMO

For a minute, I thought something was wrong with the game itself.  It wouldn't make any sense for the playstation version to have these issues so as far as I'm concerned, I still can't wait for the first REAL console MMO

" I still can't wait for the first REAL console MMO "

" This sounds a lot like the issues the PC version of FF11 (which was a PS2 MMO) had.  The PC version made you patch 6000+ individual files and it was super inefficient. "

Let's just pray this is all beta nonsense.

Has anyone actually played the beta yet?
 
By the time I got around to installing it, the servers were taken down for maintenance until the 20th.

" @Shadow said:

" I still can't wait for the first REAL console MMO "

And FF11 on the 360 was what? "

" @Poki3 said:

" @Shadow said:

" I still can't wait for the first REAL console MMO "

And FF11 on the 360 was what? "

a port "

" @Shadow said:

" @Poki3 said:

" @Shadow said:

" I still can't wait for the first REAL console MMO "

And FF11 on the 360 was what? "

a port "

And on the PS2? It's very much a console MMO. The PC version's bad M+KB controls (from what I've heard from countless people) were enough to show that it was primarily made with consoles in mind. "

" Has anyone actually played the beta yet?  By the time I got around to installing it, the servers were taken down for maintenance until the 20th. "

well its a japanese developed pc game. what did you expect? they don't know what the fuck they're doing unless it involves rotating the mouse to make an anime chick's tits bounce.

you complain that the patch is bad but you also complain when they update it, not sure how you expect to have a better updater should they mail you it on a usb stick or maybe copy paste the code into msn.  
 
Beta are more often than not to stress test network code in infrastructure more than game balance get over it

I saw something VERY similar to this happen when a friend bought a retail copy of FFXI for 360. 5 hours of mucking about without seeing a single frame of gameplay. I have finished whole games in less time than that.

"well its a japanese developed pc game. what did you expect? they don't know what the fuck they're doing unless it involves rotating the mouse to make an anime chick's tits bounce. "

" well its a japanese developed pc game. what did you expect? they don't know what the fuck they're doing unless it involves rotating the mouse to make an anime chick's tits bounce. "

" @ThePhenomenal1 said:

" well its a japanese developed pc game. what did you expect? they don't know what the fuck they're doing unless it involves rotating the mouse to make an anime chick's tits bounce. "

The SMT games as a whole would like a word with you sir. As would DP and tramateam.. and ect, ect, ect...  you can't label something as a WHOLE as bad because one thing don't go right. "

" @Poki3 said:

" @Ivos:  I was expecting the actual game to have some issues. It's a beta, not a demo. But I can't even get to the actually game part. I can't even properly test this. Right now, I'm not participating in the FF14 Beta, I'm participating in the FF14 Patcher Beta. I didn't sign up for that. This is actively hindering the beta process.  Here's hoping that there won't be any big patch downloads for the people that buy the retail copy, or that they scrap this patcher and come up with a new one. As it stands, this is simply a very, very bad torrent client. "

That's part of the beta.. "

Pretty entertaining, but I also can't help but wonder what your internet speed is. Surely not everyone can be experiencing this problem? 

" Pretty entertaining, but I also can't help but wonder what your internet speed is. Surely not everyone can be experiencing this problem?  "

Japanese devs still behind the curb when it comes to anything online.