Game sequels that never should have been made.

" how the fuck has no one said Devil May Cry 2. SHAKE MY HEAD "

There's no such game. I thought everyone already established that. It's like with Leisure Suit Larry - they made 3 after 1.

Also - probably Kane & Lynch: Dog Days if we're talking about games that are not released yet. The first game was balls, so I can't tell why the fuck people make sequels to bad games (although this line of thinking created Killzone 2. Which is amazing).

Kind of disappointed to see that so many people here hated FF X-2.  I didn't play through the whole thing, but what I did play I enjoyed significantly more than FF X.

Also - probably Kane & Lynch: Dog Days if we're talking about games that are not released yet. The first game was balls, so I can't tell why the fuck people make sequels to bad games (although this line of thinking created Killzone 2. Which is amazing).

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" I've heard from a few people that KOTOR2 was better than KOTOR1. I have never looked into this myself, but I probably trust the giantbomb community more at this point. Should I not play KOTOR 2 ever? "

You should. It does not feature Bastila Shan for more than a minute, and that's automatic win.

@twhalen said:

" Thief: Deadly Shadows. The first two Thief games had complex, large scale level design that was ahead of its time. Each also had an engrossing, dark atmosphere, moody cut scenes, and well told stories. Deadly Shadows had none of that... it could have been a great game, it had some interesting ideas- but too many technical flaws and poor design decisions held it back.  "

@Stephen_Von_Cloud: The problem with Kane & Lynch is that it's a very illconceived project. The whole story, the characters, the atmosphere made me dislike the game from the start, which made its flaws look bigger than they were. That's what killed that game for me. People said that K&L was Michael Mann's and Quentin Tarantino's video game baby, with the Coen brothers as the godparents. I say none of these people actually seen a single movie from those fine directors.

@Stephen_Von_Cloud: The problem with Kane & Lynch is that it's a very illconceived project. The whole story, the characters, the atmosphere made me dislike the game from the start, which made its flaws look bigger than they were. That's what killed that game for me. People said that K&L was Michael Mann's and Quentin Tarantino's video game baby, with the Coen brothers as the godparents. I say none of these people actually seen a single movie from those fine directors.

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" @DuhQbnSiLo said:

" God of War 2 and 3 Bioshock 2 Forza 3 "

I have to disagree with you on Forza 3, that game is so much more accessible, better looking and customisable than Forza 2.  It's not a bad game at all, and I can see no reasons why it shouldn't have been made.  "

@Stephen_Von_Cloud: It lacked the pacing and most importantly the visuals and style of a Mann movie. Hitman was much closer to that climate in my opinion, including a protagonist that you don't know shit about, but is actually extremely likeable (like Tom Cruise was in Collateral, James Caan in Thief or Farrel and Foxx in Miami Vice), so the bigger was my disappointment with K&L.

Still, the multiplayer was a rad idea. Really, really good one. The SP can be balls, if they fix the technical stuff in the sequel and leave that multiplayer mode, I may buy it.

Yeah, Deus Ex 2. Though not so much a case of "this game should never have had a sequel" as it is "why did they mess up everything great about the first game?"

Guitar Hero 5 shouldn't have been made cos unlike GH World Tour or Metallica, 5 has a totally bullshit setlist.  
 
 
EDIT: Also Saints Row 2. Story is poorly told, gameplay is bland and graphics are craptastic.

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@Stephen_Von_Cloud: It lacked the pacing and most importantly the visuals and style of a Mann movie. Hitman was much closer to that climate in my opinion, including a protagonist that you don't know shit about, but is actually extremely likeable (like Tom Cruise was in Collateral, James Caan in Thief or Farrel and Foxx in Miami Vice), so the bigger was my disappointment with K&L.

Still, the multiplayer was a rad idea. Really, really good one. The SP can be balls, if they fix the technical stuff in the sequel and leave that multiplayer mode, I may buy it.

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Anything after Socom 2.

Any Star Fox game after Star Fox 64.

All Tomb Raiders between TR2 and TR: Anniversary.
Most Dynasty Warriors games...especially the Gundam ones
Mercenaries II
Perfect Dark Zero
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II ~ did anyone really want this?

Final Fantasy XII - What a complete load of tosh that was.

" @Abyssfull said:

" @Jeust said:

"Silent Hill 5, though some people liked it. "

Homecoming? I enjoyed it, but wouldn't be heartbroken if it decided to just not exist. "

I believe so, but there are people that really enjoyed it. Even so, the game is a blemish on what was done before. "

" how the fuck has no one said Devil May Cry 2. SHAKE MY HEAD "

Well what is the criteria for a game that shouldn't have had a sequel? Most of the users replying to this topic are pointing out games whose sequels were not good or not as good as the first. I think if we are going to evaluate a game that should or should not have a sequel we need to look at if the first game's story was self contained enough that it stands on its own. For example, the only way to make a sequel to Bioshock with the way the story is told and finished in that game is to make a prequel.  
 
I personally think that game story telling is too much like the way a TV series tells its story, in that, most of the writers keep throwing in plot twist and new storyline threads just for the purpose of lengthening how many seasons it can go while keeping people interested. Movies, most of the good ones, have a specific story to tell in two hours such as No Country for Old Men or Bladerunner. Battlestar Galactica is the perfect example of how to do a TV series. The creators had a specific story they wanted to tell and only planned for the show to last three or four seasons. Game stories need to be more like this.  
  
The game I do not think should have a direct sequel is Batman Arkham Asylum. Maybe if they handle it as a separate isolated scenario that would work (like James Bond), but creating a sequel to the events of Arkham Asylum makes me skeptical. The story from Arkham Asylum is too self contained and isolated, along with the two different endings you can get make it weird. 

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud: Ever played an Uncharted game? Perfect example of how to achieve movie-like pacing in a video game.  "

Bioshock 2 "

Perfect Dark Zero definitely. Horrendous follow-up.

BIoshock 2 is in such a weird situation.  The combat looks better and it seems great but it still shouldn't exist.

NiGHTS: Whatever the Wii version was called. 
 
@Vod_Crack said:

" Perfect Dark Zero definitely. Horrendous follow-up. "

" @ArbitraryWater said:

"  I'll start with an obvious one: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II. While the plot of KotOR 1 was admittedly a straightforward and somewhat predictable affair, it felt like Star Wars and was still interesting enough to keep me engaged (admittedly I was 12 or 13 when it came out so take that as you may). KotOR 2 however, has a confusing and poorly told story that lacked certain things. Like an ending. It also shipped buggy as hell with wide swaths of incomplete and obviously removed content, which appearently has been restored (and probably still wouldn't change my opinion on the game a whole lot). "

I've heard from a few people that KOTOR2 was better than KOTOR1. I have never looked into this myself, but I probably trust the giantbomb community more at this point. Should I not play KOTOR 2 ever?  My candidate for worst sequel: Zelda: Majora's Mask (I just couldn't stand that game, and comparing it to Ocarina makes it look like crap) "

" Bioshock 2....................... "

 
         

" Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II ~ did anyone really want this? "

" @nukesniper said:

" @ArbitraryWater said:

"  I'll start with an obvious one: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II. While the plot of KotOR 1 was admittedly a straightforward and somewhat predictable affair, it felt like Star Wars and was still interesting enough to keep me engaged (admittedly I was 12 or 13 when it came out so take that as you may). KotOR 2 however, has a confusing and poorly told story that lacked certain things. Like an ending. It also shipped buggy as hell with wide swaths of incomplete and obviously removed content, which appearently has been restored (and probably still wouldn't change my opinion on the game a whole lot). "

I've heard from a few people that KOTOR2 was better than KOTOR1. I have never looked into this myself, but I probably trust the giantbomb community more at this point. Should I not play KOTOR 2 ever?  My candidate for worst sequel: Zelda: Majora's Mask (I just couldn't stand that game, and comparing it to Ocarina makes it look like crap) "

You should play it once and see for yourself. Admittedly they managed to polish a lot of the gameplay up (with stuff like the influence system and making there be a reason to use security and demolition), but the story.... ugh. Left a bad taste in mine and a lot of other people's mouths (when you need a damn wiki to figure out what happened the developer loses), but some people like it for reasons I cannot understand. Even if Obsidian had bothered to finish the game it would still be worse than its predecessor. My one caveat? HK-47 is perhaps even more hilarious than he was in KotOR 1. Every other party member in that game (with perhaps the exceptions of the psychotic wookee and the torture droid) can go to hell.
 
As for Majora's Mask, I think it should exist, if only to exemplify why Nintendo hasn't tried anything new with the Zelda franchise since then. They got burned, plain and simple. "

" @nukesniper said:

" @ArbitraryWater said:

"  I'll start with an obvious one: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II. While the plot of KotOR 1 was admittedly a straightforward and somewhat predictable affair, it felt like Star Wars and was still interesting enough to keep me engaged (admittedly I was 12 or 13 when it came out so take that as you may). KotOR 2 however, has a confusing and poorly told story that lacked certain things. Like an ending. It also shipped buggy as hell with wide swaths of incomplete and obviously removed content, which appearently has been restored (and probably still wouldn't change my opinion on the game a whole lot). "

I've heard from a few people that KOTOR2 was better than KOTOR1. I have never looked into this myself, but I probably trust the giantbomb community more at this point. Should I not play KOTOR 2 ever?  My candidate for worst sequel: Zelda: Majora's Mask (I just couldn't stand that game, and comparing it to Ocarina makes it look like crap) "

You should play it once and see for yourself. Admittedly they managed to polish a lot of the gameplay up (with stuff like the influence system and making there be a reason to use security and demolition), but the story.... ugh. Left a bad taste in mine and a lot of other people's mouths (when you need a damn wiki to figure out what happened the developer loses), but some people like it for reasons I cannot understand. Even if Obsidian had bothered to finish the game it would still be worse than its predecessor. My one caveat? HK-47 is perhaps even more hilarious than he was in KotOR 1. Every other party member in that game (with perhaps the exceptions of the psychotic wookee and the torture droid) can go to hell.
 
As for Majora's Mask, I think it should exist, if only to exemplify why Nintendo hasn't tried anything new with the Zelda franchise since then. They got burned, plain and simple. "

Prince of Persia: The Warrior Within
 
Such a shame to throw away all the charm the Sands of Time game brought to its storytelling.

"the Xbox 360 "

" Prince of Persia: The Warrior Within  Such a shame to throw away all the charm the Sands of Time game brought to its storytelling. "

I mean seriously, who want's to find out how the Prince became a swearing unlikable bastard for the following sequel? "

Red Faction Guerrilla.  No story (of any sense) you just blow stuff up.  I'd rather would have had a normal Red Faction 3. 

I'm in the minority and actually quite liked FF X-2. Though I imagine my affinity for that world plays a part, FFX being my favourite game, but I enjoyed 'game' parts of it more than in VIII and XII. I 100%'d that game lol.
 
While the story is a bit disappointing, it's pretty refreshing to play, as long as you're man enough to get past all the girl-power shit. The battle system was pretty cool being able to chain combos and having extra wait times for spells and such. They also brought back the job system from FF V making it more modern... and awesome. It felt much more involving than most FF games. Having the whole world accessible from the get go and playing through the game in a mostly non-linear way was also interesting, though I do prefer a linear story for the most part. At points it also had a really great, dark atmosphere to it, and the music was also pretty good.
 
It's a fascinating game on the whole when I think back to it, and all the negativity perplexes me.

Mrs. Pacman
Pacman 2

" @riffingt0n said:

" Prince of Persia: The Warrior Within  Such a shame to throw away all the charm the Sands of Time game brought to its storytelling. "

While were at it, can we nominate the recently announced Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands?
 
Not only is the series ditching the fantastic world they made last year, but were revisiting The Sands of Time Trilogy, a rare game trilogy that competently ended.
Not only that, but the game will be a side-story between Sands of Timeand Warrior Within, finally giving us the untold story of how the franchise lost itself. 
I mean seriously, who want's to find out how the Prince became a swearing unlikable bastard for the following sequel? "

" Mercenaries 2 "

" @Jeust said:

" @Abyssfull said:

" @Jeust said:

"Silent Hill 5, though some people liked it. "

Homecoming? I enjoyed it, but wouldn't be heartbroken if it decided to just not exist. "

I believe so, but there are people that really enjoyed it. Even so, the game is a blemish on what was done before. "

I would choose Homecoming over Silent Hill 4 for sure. Not at all a "blemish", but quite decent when compared to the rest of the series. Not the best, but defiantly not the worst.
 
A certain editor on 1up made a connection between the battle system of FFX2 and FFXIII, he immediately had to justify himself because the sheer notion of FFX2 turns people's brains to mush. What's funny is how good the underlying mechanics for that game is, it's technically a souped-up job system with a battle system that emphasized on quick reactions and combo's. It was fun.
 
But I don't fault anyone overlooking that and being turned off with...well...everything else in the game. Most certainly not the sequel anyone was looking forward too. "

Dragon Ball Z fighting games.

All of the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest spin-offs. The Crystal Chronicles series and Tactics serve their purpose well, but there are just so many more spin-offs. They should focus on more new IP's like The World Ends With You.

Halo 3... and Halo 2

Bioshock 2

Double Dragon 3. After that game, everything associated with the franchise has been terrible, except maybe Battletoads and Double Dragon.

" Mercenaries 2 "

"@natetodamax said:

" Bioshock 2....................... "

 
         

@PenguinDust said: 

" Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II ~ did anyone really want this? "

   Lots of people. It's one of the few games set in Star Wars times, outside of the Old Republic, that's competently made. It's Star Wars, unless they bring back Tie Fighter, that's the best we're gonna get. "

" @thecleric said:

"@natetodamax said:

" Bioshock 2....................... "

 
         

@PenguinDust said: 

" Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II ~ did anyone really want this? "

   Lots of people. It's one of the few games set in Star Wars times, outside of the Old Republic, that's competently made. It's Star Wars, unless they bring back Tie Fighter, that's the best we're gonna get. "

I would have to contradict you there, good sir, with the words Jedi Knight.  Outcast is regarded by many as the best jedi-centric Star Wars game ever, and features more in-depth lightsaber combat than the arcadey Force Unleashed.  "

Agree with Bioshock 2 and Prince of Persia: Warrior Within
 
also I'm going to put Farcry 2 out there.