@big_jon said:
@Agent47CSim2 said:
@mrfluke said:
@Agent47CSim2 said:
@EuanDewar said:
@mrfluke: i feel like im pretty up on my Halo fiction but i have no idea who that is
@mrfluke said:
@Agent47CSim2 said:
The issue for me about the campaign is that I just find the Extended Universe set up by Glasslands and Thursday War infinitely more interesting and complex than the plot of the game sadly. h.
you should also read the forerunner books as the didact has a prominent role in it and they flesh him out to be such an interesting character,
itill make you bummed out on how they use the didact in this game. :/
I do own and have read Cryptum and while I think it's a good book I think it's a bit confusing to read (being from a Forerunner perspective obviously), also i never once got the sense that the Didact was in any way evil or hated humanity in the book :/ . Maybe I missed something, and I definitely need to read it again as It's definitely the kind of book that needs a second reading. Also I've also heard that there are apparently two Didact's? and the one in Cryptum was killed by the Master Builder, which apparently went completely over my head as I had no idea that happened, and the Halo 4 Didact is a different one?
I pride myself on knowing a shit tonne about the Halo lore and the fact I don't know something I should annoys me lol ;)
i dont blame you at all, cause i was confused the same way as the impression from cryptum was that hes kind of a good dude as well, maybe the third book justifies it? i only read the first 2.
and yea there are 2 didacts, in cryptum the original didact essentially gave bornsteller some of his dna, and he became the didact as well. and at the end of cryptum the original didact got captured by the master builder but wasnt killed, he is apparently alive in space somewhere,
while the halo 4 didact is bornsteller, (maybe someone here can explain it better)
i hope in the next games they explain this better, as i totally think they will pull a halo 2 and weill be playing as the original didact, or that the 2 didacts will meet up, as theres no way the bornsteller didact from halo 4 is dead.
Fair enough then, at least it's not just me who missed something then haha. I never read Primordium because I've heard pretty middling things about it :/ I'll have to read it myself at some time but does anything major happen in it?
WAIT WHAT!!! you just blew my mind! I never would have guessed Bornstellar was the Halo 4 Didact... but wasn't the original Didact married to the Librarian? Also Humanity had already been devolved by the time Bornstellar arrives on Earth so where did his hatred of humanity come from? Garrrrrr so confusing lol
The Didact in Halo 4 is the original Didact, not bornstellar, at least I believe that is the case.
Some people, including me thought he was Bornstellar before launch, but at that point in was assumed that the original Didact was dead.
ya primordium is important, theres a lot of nothing that happens in it, but there are some very core things that happen that are all important.
so doing some research into this, it seems ultimately, no one knows which didact was in halo 4 and its all speculation, and people are divided between which didact it is.(heres a link to another discussion by people https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm1704415_So---Which-Didact-was-it-in-Halo-4.aspx)
as for what motivated the didact to be a bad guy, someone in those forums brought up a good point, ill post what they posted here
Cryptum and Primordium take place before Didact loses the plot. That's why he's not "evil" in those books.
The Didact is in fact measured and reasonable up until something sparks a change in him. I think he held some resentment of humans, but I think the hatred for humanity he developed was a result of the Primordial's words, more than anything else.
The Primordial pretty much told Didact that the Flood did the Precursor's bidding ("there is no difference", and that the humans had been spared on the Precursor's say so.
Now, Didact would not immediately believe this, but as the Forerunners were losing the war against the Flood, the horrific possibility that the Primordial was telling the truth.
Notice that he blames humans for the Flood, an attitude that would stem from the Primordial's claim. As the war worsens, the Primordial's taunts get louder.
So these fears and thoughts play on Didact's mind:
1. The Forerunners will be annihilated by the Flood.
2. Humanity will claim the Mantle. The Didact believed only the Forerunners could hold the Mantle; the notion of the Forerunners losing it was probably worse to him than being consumed by the Flood.
3. The Humans did the Precursor's dirty work by bringing the Flood into Forerunner space. He sees this race, which murdered his children, survive while his people are wiped out by the Flood.
4. The prospect of the Precursors' revenge coming to fruition.
what lends credence to this theory is the didact's speech during the ending of the game how he says the mantle is meant for forerunners alone, also., like shit, this trilogy really is their own spin on the mass effect story huh? :P
all this really just shines on how much 343 blew it in fleshing out the 1st game in the trilogy, having a terminal movie where you see the didact talking to the primordial would have gone a long way in justifying his turn into a bad guy and give a hook for a sequel.
heck, when you get the macguffin from the librarian and you start hearing the didact while you play, they should have have him name drop the primordial and mention the stuff that the primordial told him.
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