PC devs teaching console devs a lesson...

  PC devs teaching console devs a lesson...

Remember the time, where people did tend to call Killzone 2 or Heavy Rain the best looking console games ever ?

Or such games are not possible on the 360 ?

First of all...before you blame me a 360 fanboy...i dont own one. I am a PS3 owner, but mostly a PC Gamer.

My point is :

Games like Rage or Crysis 2 just crushed games like Killzone 2.

What does this show?

Ex PC exclusive devs are showing how to create engines, where the console exclusives devs cant.

id software and Crytek have produced better visuals with games like Rage and Crysis 2, than Guerilla Games did with Killzone 2.

And btw. Rage is an open world game...

(And yes these games do even look better than Killzone 3 (rather 2.5)...

Not everyone agrees Crysis is the best looking game ever.  
 
Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console. 

Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible...

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

 id software and Crytek have produced better visuals with games like Rage and Crysis 2, than Guerilla Games did with Killzone 2.

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

" Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible... "

" Not everyone agrees Crysis is the best looking game ever.   Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

" @Fudgeman7 said:

" Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible... "

Also, Rage is NOT a one disc game. "

" Not everyone agrees Crysis is the best looking game ever.   Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

Not everyone can afford a computer that can run the stuff anyways. My friend only has a 360. He can not afford to get a computer that can run games like crysis.  "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" Not everyone agrees Crysis is the best looking game ever.   Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I have not upgrade in 3 years and i play crysis on high settings and im fine that way since even on high it looks better than all console games. "

" @creamypies said:

" @Fudgeman7 said:

" Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible... "

Also, Rage is NOT a one disc game. "

Really? Even the Ps3 blue ray? *Please say yes. I really REALLY needs a long long game to play*  "

" @creamypies said:

" @Fudgeman7 said:

" Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible... "

Also, Rage is NOT a one disc game. "

Really? Even the Ps3 blue ray? *Please say yes. I really REALLY needs a long long game to play*  "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

Not everyone can afford a computer that can run the stuff anyways. My friend only has a 360. He can not afford to get a computer that can run games like crysis.  "

Can't afford 400 or 500$ is that not price of console pretty much it's not hard to save 100 or 200 more. "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @creamypies said:

" @Fudgeman7 said:

" Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible... "

Also, Rage is NOT a one disc game. "

Really? Even the Ps3 blue ray? *Please say yes. I really REALLY needs a long long game to play*  "

I think it is one disc on PS3 bluray and several on Xbox 360. "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @creamypies said:

" @Fudgeman7 said:

" Rage isn't out yet. It might be terrible... "

Also, Rage is NOT a one disc game. "

Really? Even the Ps3 blue ray? *Please say yes. I really REALLY needs a long long game to play*  "

Aha, I dunno about the PS3. I'd imagine that's just a one disc game (sorry to disappoint). "

" @bcooper56 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

Not everyone can afford a computer that can run the stuff anyways. My friend only has a 360. He can not afford to get a computer that can run games like crysis.  "

Can't afford 400 or 500$ is that not price of console pretty much it's not hard to save 100 or 200 more. "

MY friend bought his 360 at release. And because of the current economy. He has only enough to pay rent and buy food. Sort of the same with me.  "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @bcooper56 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

Not everyone can afford a computer that can run the stuff anyways. My friend only has a 360. He can not afford to get a computer that can run games like crysis.  "

Can't afford 400 or 500$ is that not price of console pretty much it's not hard to save 100 or 200 more. "

MY friend bought his 360 at release. And because of the current economy. He has only enough to pay rent and buy food. Sort of the same with me.  "

That's under standable but clearly almost any one can afford a pc only people who can't are people who work at  mcdonalds and have to support 4 kids. Also you get much more value with pc i do own a ps3 and 360 and play them but with pc it literally does every thing it can be a ps1 or n64 for you since i have hard time finding old games this is my only option. "

" Not everyone agrees Crysis is the best looking game ever.   Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" Not everyone agrees Crysis is the best looking game ever.   Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

Maybe twice as much. Maybe. "

"
That's under standable but clearly almost any one can afford a pc only people who can't are people who work at  mcdonalds and have to support 4 kids. Also you get much more value with pc i do own a ps3 and 360 and play them but with pc it literally does every thing it can be a ps1 or n64 for you since i have hard time finding old games this is my only option. "

@The_Laughing_Man: Great now I have to post crysis screenshots all over the thread to prove the doubters wrong. You have to play it on very high before you judge the game, high doesn't count and ppl has their perceptions wrong when they think everyone runs it the same as they do because they saw crysis on a lower setting on their laptop and thinks that's all it has to offer.

1. Graphics do not make a good game 
2. Crytek has been making engines since it's birth. That's what they do. id has been working on id Tech 5 since before Doom 4. Guerilla Games most likely started work on their engine when they started KZ2 which I'm assuming was around '07. The fact KZ2 performed as well as it did is actually a pat on the back for GG.
3. The only other noteworthy PC devs that come to mind who make great engines are Valve and Epic. The Source engine and Unreal engine. Valve, Unreal, Crytek, and id might as well be in the business of creating engines. That's just what they do. The spend years and years working on engines. A lot of console devs and PC devs spend a short amount of time to make an engine for one franchise then maybe move onto the next with a new engine. That is assuming they haven't borrowed an engine from another developers because you see making a really great, full-featured engine takes time. To make it seem as if PC devs somehow all create great engines is blatantly false. In reality, it's a very small fraction of PC devs who show the others 'how it's done.'

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

While you are onto something saying that PCs are more capable than consoles, which is true no matter how you look at it, mentioning Rage makes your point invalid. Game hasn't even been shown that much.

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

Yes, but you're discounting that the money you save on not upgrading your PC could go towards supporting games instead of pirating them :) "

Crysis came out in 2007, its still the best looking game on the market.

Ooh, fanboys. Never failing to crack me up in an "Oh God, people are disgusting" sort of way.

I get the feeling a lot of people who argue for PCs aren't really gamers. The money you have to invest got a little lower over the years, but the general rule of thumb  is that u need every 2 years an upgrade or better a new machine. A capable gaming PC without a screen is about 600e atm. And u can calculate to pump at least another 400 2 years leater. So that's definitely more expensive than a console. On the other hand it's not so easy to compare costs. There are additional costs coming to console owners, too. Peripherals, TV, live costs etc. 
 
Concerning the topic, well everything u say is just a bunch of claims. Crysis 2 and Rage aren't even released yet. And just claiming they build the bet engines, maybe but maybe we had to look at more variables.

" I get the feeling a lot of people who argue for PCs aren't really gamers. The money you have to invest got a little lower over the years, but the general rule of thumb  is that u need every 2 years an upgrade or better a new machine. A capable gaming PC without a screen is about 600e atm. And u can calculate to pump at least another 400 2 years leater. So that's definitely more expensive than a console. On the other hand it's not so easy to compare costs. There are additional costs coming to console owners, too. Peripherals, TV, live costs etc.  Concerning the topic, well everything u say is just a bunch of claims. Crysis 2 and Rage aren't even released yet. And just claiming they build the bet engines, maybe but maybe we had to look at more variables. "

" I get the feeling a lot of people who argue for PCs aren't really gamers. The money you have to invest got a little lower over the years, but the general rule of thumb  is that u need every 2 years an upgrade or better a new machine. "

Fucking OP just has to start this argument over again doesn't he?

So a couple PC developers made games that look as good as a 2 year old PS3 game?  That is something to be proud of?  And while Rage and Crysis 2 did look good, they certainly didn't "crush" KZ2.  I didn't see anything that make me go "wow" in either game.   

So... what?

This is a serious discussion.

An initial investment of $500-600 will do just fine as long as you don't need to be on the bleeding edge.  Spending $400 every two years seems asinine.  I have built several gaming machines, never spending more than $500 (excluding screen).  All of these machines lasted at least 4 years, and all have outlasted the relevant console generations. "

Eh... virtually all of the biggest console developers used to be PC developers. It makes sense since consoles today are like PCs except they all have the same hardware setups, making games easier to develop for them.

Love how the only people defending the OP have white usernames. I have played Crysis on Max settings (not my machine if you're wondering) and it looked good but also rather boring. I prioritise art style over technical accomplishment. I prefer the visuals of SFIV over Crysis.
Not to mention that the actual game was pretty mediocre.
 
PC gaming is dying because nobody wants to be associated with you tossers.

" PC gaming is dying because nobody wants to be associated with you tossers. "

" @MysteriousBob:  Is that how you actually see this thread? PC gaming proponents aren't the only ones with beer goggles when it comes to platform discussion. "

The hardware cycles on PCs are much much shorter than any console. Which is why this happens.

i don't actually think so. since there are a lot of crappy games that have been made from a port of the consoles. PC games do look a lot better than consoles when the developers try and make them.

Not everyone can afford top of the line hardware Mr. Money Bags

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

 Plus console users do not have to keep upgrading their computers which can soon cost about 10 times more then just having a console.  "

I love how people always give this reason. I've never, ever had to 'keep upgrading my computer', certainly not any more than new consoles come out. And even by the end of my PCs lifecycle, even if the game isn't on max, it's still on medium which looks just as good or more likely better than consoles. "

Yes, but you're discounting that the money you save on not upgrading your PC could go towards supporting games instead of pirating them :) "