@the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG: thanks, that was a nice thing to say. I am conflicted because I can't find any other purpose besides art that I enjoy. I don't enjoy art anymore, most of my better drawings takes too many steps and it gets really dull and unmotivating. I think most ppl are this way, they still don't know what they want to be when they grow up even with a few carrer changes. These ppl feels like they have no purpose, just hating their jobs and putting up with it. I am feeling sort of that way right now, I just don't know what my calling is. I don't even thing I have one, i'm starting to think maybe I have no purpose, except to entertain all of you here, lol. The whole concept of having a purpose is a lie. Someone suggested I should be a comedian or something before yesterday, lol yeah right.
@HitmanAgent47: Well, I also wanted to comment on your art thing. As a fellow artist, I have something to confide in you, I was no good either... to start.
I didn't decide I wanted to get into art seriously until my senoir year in highschool, which means any serious attempt I've done at art has only been in the last decade or so, usually this means it's a bit too late to start training for art. Stating this, I went from perhaps one of the worst artists I knew, to the best artist in my graduating class. How did I do it? Practice and study.
For a while I thought it was down to "talent" people who were blessed with the fine motor skills and the better ability to observe surroundings, but, as I've aged, I've realized the great artist of the world trained their asses off to be better than the rest.
I sat down and forced myself to draw, every day, to read, every day, to explore techniques, every day. These are the things people need to do to become truly good artists. Hell, I still don't view myself as a good artist when comparing myself to the world's stage, that's why I still practice, practice, practice.
I believe there is no human smart enough to answer this question. Same with the question of the existence of god. No one is smart enough to know.
I don't think its really about intelligence some things are just impossible to know. No one can know if there is a twinkie floating around in a galaxy billions of light years away but experience, logic and sense suggest there isn't so we believe that there isn't. I'm borrowing from Descartes here but basically it's impossible to know anything unequivocally except that we exist (and a few other things i think).
@OppressiveStink: I like to see more of your art, if you have them somewhere, feel free to send a link to it for a priv msg or something. I want to know what level you are at after telling me that. I'm glad there is someone else who can relate to me, yes during highschool, all I did was draw. Now i'm like using a whiteboard to quickly erase and adapt the style, but it's slow. It turned out like shit when I posted it at another thread, doesn't even look like cartoons at all. I depend on my pc to ink the lines, which it looks much better, or I use a light table and depend on the second layer to look better, since the first one is all scribbles. It keeps everything clean and tidy, also it lacks a lifelike quality for my overly clean lines. I honestly don't know how some ppl does it, there must be some kind of trick to figuring it out. I guess now i'm going to have more respect for animators and cartoonist and not going to look down on their work for the lack of detail. It's really more difficult.
I'm not really a religion man, but I belive that if you do good in life good things will happen after life, if you do bad, bad things will happen after life.
I just want to comment how there are a lot of world class comic artist, not the low level ones. They do have a purpose imo, they were drawn to art and somehow they figured out how to tell stories though these comic books. Its not easy to do, there is a whole science behind it most of us can't do. What about artist in general, they might actually be born with talent or have some kind of potential, not all of them but some of them. Then again, some of these ppl goes to 3d animation (2d animators) or something else, living from paycheck to paycheck. But still, to be artistic is to have some kind of talent, potential, drive, direction, purpose.
We all have our own favorite artist and stuff, these ppl are talented and seems very purpose driven. They enjoy it.
What about all these ufc fighters, they don't have some kind of purpose are were born fighters and trained to improve? I'm only saying, they might disagree with the concept of having no purpose.
@HitmanAgent47: yeah no problem. maybe you should make art for yourself rather than the people around you? even if the simpler art doesnt look as nice as your complicated work, you should definately pursue the less complicated method. you enjoy the less complicated way of making art and its your art; you should be proud of it. even if you get a shitty ass job you can still make art. my grandpa studied everyday of his life and he loved learning. i swear, he was the only person i knew who actually enjoyed learning new things. he knew like 4 other languages other than english and japanese. he knew more aboriginal history than an aboriginal person he became friends with. he had royal blood and he was wealthy before the second world war and his family owned a mountain. yet, he moved to Vancouver with his family when he was in his 40s and he opened up a dry cleaning business. he couldve became someone that was payed a high salary yet he chose a simple life. he was well known in the Japanese community over here and its just sad that he had to die before i could have a smart discussion with him. the point that im trying to make is that everyone has a purpose no matter what kind of a job you have. you can still enjoy your passion and affect the lives surrounding yours. if you want to be a comedian nobody is stopping you? try it out
I believe we have purpose on this Earth in that we and the people around us assign us purpose, but I don't believe in fate, destiny, divine gifts, or any kind of higher being or supernatural force assigning us purpose.
The opportunity to create a purpose and enjoy your existence? Or none at all?
Didn't read through the whole topic, but yours is probably the best answer in here. No matter if there is no real purpose, we all have the opportunity to create one for ourselves. In the end, truth is what we make of it and is different for each and every one of us.
So, @HitmanAgent47, in here you'll find the truths of every one who replies, which may or may not ressonate with your own. Just make your own purpose and keep on it as long as it feels right to you.
@HitmanAgent47: I'm actually trying to keep as much of my art career from my video game hobby as I can, but I sketched this for ya on a graphics tablet. It's not really detailed as I only spent about 10 min on it, but hopefully it shows you how much I grasp the human form without a reference.
BTW, always use a reference, all decent artists do. I was just really lazy.
@HitmanAgent47: There's this intriguing book called "The Secret History of the World" by Mark Booth. It mentions almost every single important person who ever influenced history. From Adam, to Jesus, to Shakespeare, to Plato, to Einstein, to Watson and Crick (and dozens more). These individuals all shared something in common according to the author. A purpose that ties them together you could say. The book cannot be taken as a history book of course. The reader has the option to see it as an interpretation of history. Or perhaps an underlying truth. It's not necessarily fiction though, since the events and people the book mentions all existed in one form or another. Oh yeah, it also hates on the Illuminati =] It's an interesting read. Does it show what our purpose is? It shows why our existence is the way it is today in this time. Other than that, it's mostly the reader's decision in the end to find that purpose and pursue it.
@OppressiveStink: I like to see more of your art, if you have them somewhere, feel free to send a link to it for a priv msg or something. I want to know what level you are at after telling me that. I'm glad there is someone else who can relate to me, yes during highschool, all I did was draw. Now i'm like using a whiteboard to quickly erase and adapt the style, but it's slow. It turned out like shit when I posted it at another thread, doesn't even look like cartoons at all. I depend on my pc to ink the lines, which it looks much better, or I use a light table and depend on the second layer to look better, since the first one is all scribbles. It keeps everything clean and tidy, also it lacks a lifelike quality for my overly clean lines. I honestly don't know how some ppl does it, there must be some kind of trick to figuring it out. I guess now i'm going to have more respect for animators and cartoonist and not going to look down on their work for the lack of detail. It's really more difficult.
This is space, which is made up of billions of filaments, which are made up of billions of galaxy clusters, which are made up of billions of galaxies, which are made up of billions of stars, which are surrounded by planets. How am I supposed to believe that every person on just one of these planets is important enough to have their whole life planned out for them?
1. Accept the inscrutability of things, and have enough humility to understand that a miniscule species lacks the right, at this stage of its development, to know what it desires to know, or to demand answers to questions that may not even be valid from the universe at large. 2. Make up a God or Purpose to explain every question right now, and raise humanity on a pedestal as 'special' beings.
Me? It strikes me as arrogant to think that we even can see a purpose yet. Still, people need to sleep at night, and I respect that. So long as the human brain is working to find a purpose, I reckon it's on the right track. Just stay open-minded, kids.
The failure of much of humanity is it's inability to conceive of an intellect incomprehensibly greater than it's own. We are arrogant specks of protoplasm, cosmic microbes, crawling about in the slime of our mud-ball, puffed up with pride because our species became adept at chipping flint. To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing
Existence is meaningless. We ascribe meaning to events in space and time to comfort ourselves, it gives us something concrete we can latch onto. My opinions and assumptions are neither more correct nor truer than anyone elses. So meaning becomes a personalized thing that is neither more correct nor truer than anyone esles.
All I know is "Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die." Enjoy it all.
@HitmanAgent47: I'm actually trying to keep as much of my art career from my video game hobby as I can, but I sketched this for ya on a graphics tablet. It's not really detailed as I only spent about 10 min on it, but hopefully it shows you how much I grasp the human form without a reference.
BTW, always use a reference, all decent artists do. I was just really lazy.
Cool, maybe we should collaborate? You draw a pose, I build it, you draw over it and it should look great. I never posted a drawing in this thread also I said I sucked at it. Well i'm okay if it has details it seems to look okay, but for pure cartoony stuff, I just can't do it. I can do things with more details. I see a ton of mistakes, but it's a sketch, usually I fix all the stuff in post production, or when I ink it with a program. If it's not that good, I probally could do better with more time, it's a quick sketch.
@Galiant: Kobe bryant's dad was a basketball player, didn't kobe then now have a purpose? Also maybe devine talent in a way? Or donald trump was always meant to be rich, does he have a purpose to be rich? I'm not just saying this to you, but everyone else. What about tiger woods, does he have a special purpose and talent, a purpose to play golf?
That's just what they chose to focus their time on. The way you describe purpose you make it sound like destiny, as in some higher being decided that that was what you were supposed to do. I'm not into that. They just chose to do something and were devoted enough to get good at it. Purpose has nothing to do with it.
@Fontan: What kind of purpose should I create. I honestly have no idea, what would you suggest? I don't know, I need alot of time to think of something like this, so far I am finding things meaningless. Also if everyone should just make up a purpose right now, anything that will serve us right now, then that means we will all have some kind of a purpose.
@Galiant: you know it takes some kind of potential to excel at something at such a high level. Hardwork doesn't mean we all will be basketball players or pro golfers or rich businessmen.
@HitmanAgent47: I am afraid no one could tell you that, less so on an internet gaming forum. Just be true to yourself and go with the things that make you happy. Matter such as greatness are just a thing of ego and one's purpose need not be world-changing. Just needs to make you happy. That's how I see things and it's worked pretty well for me.
We are just floating on a rock and we are all trying to make the best of it. The whole purpose thing is just vagaries of human perception. There is no devine talent or purpose. We live.
No. I think it's an accident we're here.. our purpose is to ultimately destroy ourselves until the water and ice phase wipes us out. Hopefully some remnants of our life cycles educate the next wave of organisms.
@TheSeductiveMoose: Swedish answer, not acceptable!
Not really, I am what I am, because of my parents and my experience. I will do my best to as nice and shareful as possible, but that is it. Basically what you are talking about is the meaning of life. You create your own meaning of your life, and this is the meaning of life.
Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Some people find that thought disturbing. I find the reality thrilling. As the ancient mythmakers knew we're children equally of the Earth and the sky. In our tenure on this planet, we've accumulated dangerous evolutionary baggage. We've also acquired compassion for others, love for our children and a great soaring passionate intelligence. The clear tools for our continued survival.
That's it and that's all. Do what makes you happy because you only live once.
If i'm floating on a rock and no matter how hard I try, also all the time I put into drawing, should I just say forget it it's okay to not be a good artist? If it's all survival, then what does it matter, just keep it as a hobby. Maybe I should change my style to be completely anime or something more interesting. But i'm going to work on my cartooning for a month and blog about it. If it's still not that good, then it's my fault and I should move on. At least I know after an entire month I tried to read every book on the subject, I tried to understand the concept, but it's not for me. If not, i'm going to another style, like those batman super hero style from now on or something else. If I tried my best everyday for a month to refine or improve on cartooning simple stuff and can't do it, I can say without regret I tried my best to get it. I don't know, I just wished I was talented as some of those world class artist, they don't know how lucky they are for being so talented. Then again for many years now after failing at it, I don't enjoy drawing, maybe it's a good thing, I am just here without any real purpose and I might of believed I had one before. Which is just a problem with perception.
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